,,მოკავშირის ღია თუ შეფარული ლანძღვა ვერანაირად წაადგება საქართველოს სახელმწიფო ინტერესებს”
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qveyanaSi rom arasaxarbielo ekonomikuri da politikuri mdgomareoba gvaqvs, amaze ara mxolod opozicia, aramed dasavleli partniorebic saubroben da gadaWris gzebsac gvisaxaven: sasamarTlo sistemis ganTavisufleba xelisuflebis zegavlenisgan, politikuri garemos depolarizacia. . . `qolcentrebis~ sakiTxze urTierTbraldebebi xelisuflebasa da opozicias Soris grZeldeba. mmarTveli partia opoziciis nawils destruqciul Zalad moixseniebs, opoziciuri speqtri ki xelisuflebas qveynis interesebis SelaxvaSi adanaSaulebs. cxadia, amasTan dakavSirebiT Cndeba araerTi kiTxva, rogorc mmarTveli gundis, ise opoziciis mimarT. is Tu rogor damajereblad da argumentirebulad upasuxeben isini am mniSvnelovan kiTxvebs, didwilad ganapirobebs maT Sansebs samomavlo arCevnebSi. ra viTarebaa qveyanaSi, ras unda velodoT, rogor warimarTeba procesebi? am da sxva aqtualur sakiTxebze vesaubrebiT G saqarTvelos sazogadoebriv saqmeTa instituti profesor giorgi koberiZes.
– qveyanaSi saintereso procesebi viTardeba: parlamentSi `proceduruli omi~ grZeldeba, arasaparlamento opozicia saparlamentos parlamentis datovebisken mouwodebs, m gamokiTxva Caatara sxvadasxva sakiTxTan mimarTebiT. . . daviwyoT umTavresiT – realurad ra ikiTxeboda aSS-is mxridan qarTveli mosamarTleebis dasanqcirebaSi?
– nebismieri sanqcia aris ara ekonomikuri aqti, aramed politikuri. Sesabamisad, aSS-is mxridan saqarTvelos xelisuflebisadmi gakeTda garkveuli miniSneba, rom is misgan elis politikur reformebsa da demokratizaciasTan mimarTebiT arsebuli dapirebebis Sesrulebas. amasTan, saqarTvelos xelisuflebisTvis es kidev erTi miniSnebaa – aSS gacxadebuli mokavSirea saqarTvelosi, xolo xelisuflebis mxridan mokavSiris dafaruli Tu Ria lanZRva da `omis globalur partiad~ moxsenieba aSkara dapirispirebis wyaro gaxda, rac vaSingtonSi aravis gamohparvia. mokavSirisadmi aseTi damokidebulebis fonze ruseTisadmi pozitiuri signalebi igzavneboda xelisuflebis warmomadgenelTa mxridan, rac moskovSic moswonT. mTlianobaSi ki es arajansaR saerTaSoriso garemos qmnis.
– sanqcirebulTa sia SeiZleba gaizardos?
– sanqciebi erTianad arasdros edeba yvela pirs Tu institucias. ase rom iyos, efeqturobas dakargavda. sanqciebi muSaobs nela da etapobrivad. ase rom, diax, SeiZleba gaizardos kidec. Tumca, cxadia, es saqarTvelos interesebSi ar unda iyos, radgan xelisuflebisa da masTan daaxloebuli pirebidan rac ufro meti adamiani iqneba sanqcirebuli, es zogadad, qveynis saxesa da saerTaSoriso imijzec aisaxeba.
– mmarTveli partia acxadebs, rom aSS-is saxelmwifo departamentis zemoaRniSnuli verdiqti faqtebiT gamyarebuli ar aris, zogierTni ki, samwuxarod, antiamerikul gancxadebebs akeTeben, es ramdenad damazianebelia saqarTvelosTvis?
– saqarTvelos erT-erTi umTavresi ekonomikuri Tu samxedro-politikuri mokavSiris Ria Tu Sefaruli lanZRva veranairad waadgeba saqarTvelos saxelmwifo interesebs. ruseTTan martod darCenili saqarTvelo mxolod Tavis usafrTxoebas daayenebs safrTxis qveS. zogadad, mokavSireebi sajarod ar upirispirdebian xolme erTmaneTs. magram saqarTvelos xelisuflebam bolo wlis ganmavlobaSi praqtikulad, Ria da agresiuli signalebis gagzavna daiwyo vaSingtonis winaaRmdeg.
– samomavlod, mmarTvel partias mouwevs sanqcirebuli mosamarTleebis ganTavisufleba?
– rTuli saTqmelia. rac ufro meti adamiania sanqcirebuli, miT ufro azianebs es maT pozicias. Sesabamisad, distancireba politikurad rigiani nabiji iqneboda.
– sayuradReboa `qolcentrebis~ sakiTxi, mmarTveli partia kezeraSvilis braleulobaze saubrobs, opozicia ki xelisuflebis pasuxismgeblobaze akeTebs aqcents, Tqveni azri amis Taobaze. . .
– nebismieri gamoZieba unda iyos gamWvirvale, rodesac mis ukan politikur saqmianobaSi myofi sajaro pirebi moiazrebian. es processac gaamartivebs da sazogadoebasac ar darCeba mikerZoebulobis gancda.
– m sazogadoebrivi azris kvleva Caatara sxvadasxva sakiTxze, magaliTad, arCevnebi rom axla tardebodes: mmarTvel partias 19 procenti miscemda xmas, `nacmoZraobas~ – 14, 20 procents ki ar gadauwyvetia, vis misces xma, es risi maniSnebelia?
– zogadad, politikuri partiebis reitingis kvlevis sandooba da popularoba ar aris Zalian myari, miT ufro arademokratiul reJimebSi, sadac moqalaqeebs Riad TavianTi poziciis dafiqsirebis eSiniaT an eridebaT piradi mizezebidan gamomdinare. metic, TviT demokratiebSic ki SeiZleba ar iyos Zalian maRali sandoobis mqone aseTi kvlevebi, miT ufro, Tuki gadauwyveteli amomrCevlis raodenoba Zalian bevria. rac Seexeba IRI-is kvlevas, is aCvenebs tendencias, rom saxelisuflebo partias Riad gacxadebuli mxardamWerebidan yvelaze meti amomrCeveli hyavs, magram opozicias – mTlianobaSi ufro meti.
– zemoaRniSnuli gamokiTxva imiTac iyo sayuradRebo, rom evrokavSirsa da natoSi gawevrianebis msurvelTa raodenoba mniSvnelovnad gaizarda. . .
– swored natosa da evrokavSiris mxridan mxardaWera, romelmac aTwleulis rekords miaRwia, aris yvelaze saintereso indikatori, romelic mniSvnelovani unda iyos rogorc xelisuflebisTvis, ise opoziciisTvis – praqtikulad, sazogadoeba daiRala perspeqtivis simciriT da evropuli standartebis miRwevis survilTan erTad usafrTxoebis maRal donesac iTxovs, risi miRwevac swored evrokavSirisa da natos gavliTaa SesaZlebeli, es dafiqsirebulia kidec gamokiTxvis pasuxebSi.
– qarTul politikur velze gadaadgilebebia – Seiqmna trio (`strategia aRmaSenebeli~, `droa~ da `girCi meti Tavisufleba~), `lelo saqarTvelosTvis~ aqtiurobs, `nacmoZraobaSi~ Sida ganxeTqilebebia… qmnis Tu ara dRes opozicia dRis wesrigs?
– opoziciaSi axali partiebi ki iqmneba, magram axali saxeebi naklebad Canan. miuxedavad amisa, mniSvnelovania, rom ideebis Widili opoziciis SigniTac iyos, mxolod xelisuflebis Secvla, rogorc mizani, amomrCevlisaTvis sakmarisi ar aris romelime opoziciuri partiis mxardaWerisaTvis. amitomaa mniSvnelovani debatebi da msjelobebi, Tumca samwuxaroa, rom debatebs xSirad ganxeTqileba mosdevs xolme. es saSiSi procesia.
– ramdenad mosalodnelia realuri mesame Zalis Seqmna, romelic konkurencias gauwevs mmarTvel partias da `nacmoZraobas~?
– nebismier axal Zalas sWirdeba inteleqtualuri da finansuri resursi. dRes es qarTul politikaSi sakmarisad araa warmodgenili.
– arasaparlamento opozicia saparlamentos parlamentis datovebisken mouwodebs da riggareSe arCevnebis Catarebasac iTxovs, msgavsi pozicia ramdenad gamarTlebulia?
– 2024 wlis arCevnebi karsaa momdgari, romelic srulad proporciulad unda Catardes. riggareSe arCevnebi romc dainiSnos, wlis bolomde TariRis CaniSvna mainc ver moxdeba, es ki niSnavs, rom riggareSe arCevnebi rigiTze mxolod ramdenime TviT adre Catardeba. amasTan, nebismieri arCevnebi, romelic 2024 wlamde CainiSneba, iqneba ara srulad proporciuli, aramed – Sereuli, rogorc es 2020 wels iyo, es ki opoziciisaTvis ramdenad sasurvelia, rTuli saTqmelia.
– sagareo sakiTxsac SevexoT: evrokavSiris kari Riaa saqarTvelosTvis, – ganacxada germaniis sagareo saqmeTa ministrma, mainc ra perspeqtiva gvaqvs wevrobis kandidatis statusis misaRebad?
– evrokavSiris wevrobis kandidatis statusi aris rogorc sagareo, ise saSinao politikuri sakiTxi. Tuki saqarTvelos xelisufleba yvela arsebul valdebulebas daakmayofilebs, riTac isev da isev saqarTvelos moqalaqeebi isargebleben, maSin evrokavSirs aranairi motivacia Tu saSualeba aRar eqneba, uari uTxras saqarTvelos kandidatis statusis miniWebaze. amasTan, vfiqrob, rom saqarTvelos mosaxleobis politikuri nebidan gamomdinare, es statusi xelisuflebas sul rom ar undodes, moqalaqeebis mxardasaWerad mainc unda mieniWos saqarTvelos. amiT antidasavluri propaganda Semcirdeba da xalxi darwmundeba, rom brZolas namdvilad aqvs azri.
– gverds ver avuvliT ukrainas, amJamad omis ra fazaa da ukrainuli armiis daanonsebul kontrSetevaze ra SeiZleba iTqvas?
– kontrSetevisaTvis mzadeba finalur etapzea. kargi amindebi araa ukrainaSi. gamodarebasTan erTad kontrSetevis albaToba moimatebs. savaraudod, erTdroulad ramdenime mimarTulebiT ganviTardeba ieriSi. erTicaa: SesaZloa, erT dilasac ukrainis mTeli SenaerTebi ki ar vixiloT ieriSze gadasuli, aramed etapobrivad – gaaqtiurdeba frontis xazis erTi mimarTuleba, Semdeg meore, mesame da bolos vixiloT garRveva sxva mimarTulebiT. dReis mdgomareobiT, baxmutis dasavleT nawili rCeba Setakebebis mTavar mimarTulebad. am patara qalaqma SeZlo rusuli ieriSebis dayovneba da okupantis samxedro Zalebis gamofitva cxra Tvis ganmavlobaSi.
– ruseT-ukrainis omSi CineTis pozicia realurad rogoria, anu pekini dasavleTis da ruseTis dapirispirebaSi romeli polusis mxaresaa?
– aRniSnul konfliqtSi, CineTi cdilobs pozicionirdes, rogorc neitraluri moTamaSe miuxedavad imisa, rom mas ufro kremlis mxardamWer Zalad aRiqvamdnen xolme, ukraina ki pekinis swrafvas neitraluri poziciis SenarCunebisken Tavis sasargeblod iyenebs, ris Sedegadac moraluri Tu samxedro daxmarebis is mcire imedi, romelic kremls CineTisagan hqonda, TandaTan Semcirdeba. es yvelaferi, principSi, mosalodnelic iyo, radgan CineTisaTvis ruseTi Tavisi regionuli ambiciebis miRwevaSi yovelTvis xelis SemSleli ufro iyo, vidre xelSemwyobi. rac ufro susti iqneba ruseTi, miT ufro naklebad SeuSlis xels Cinur interesebs Sua da aRmosavleT aziaSi iseve, rogorc aRmosavleT evropasa Tu afrikaSi. Tuki Cven davakvirdebiT Cinur-rusul interesebs, TiTqmis yvela regionSi maT negatiuri kveTa hqondaT da is Sexeduleba gadaWarbebulia, TiTqos ruseTi da CineTi erT navSi sxedan. ubralod, maT saerTo metoqe hyavT aSS-is saxiT, rac moskov-pekinis moCvenebiTi Tanxmobis mizezi iyo, magram sanam aSS ruseTis SekavebiTaa dakavebuli, CineTi orive maTganis gverdis avliT cdilobs globalur moTamaSed qcevas, romelsac SeuZlia Tavisi dRis wesrigis formireba. amitomacaa, rom evrokavSirTanac ki pozitiuri dRis wesrigis Sedgenas cdilobs pekini da yvelaferSi sakmaod orazrovan moTamaSedaa qceuli, ris miRmac misi politikuri miznebi imaleba.
– dabolos, axlovdeba natos samiti, alianss SeuerTda fineTi, kari gaixsneba ukrainisTvisac. Cvenma xelisuflebam ra unda gaakeTos, rom natos kari saqarTvelosTvisac gaiRos?
– rogorc minimum, unda Sewydes dasavleTis Ria Tu dafaruli lanZRva, Semdeg ki mas kidev erTxel unda SevaxsenoT, rom pirveli iyo saqarTvelo, 2008 wels (da manamde 1990-an wlebSi) da Sesabamisad, natosagan ara mxolod partniorobis zrdaa mniSvnelovani, aramed iseTi instituciuri meqanizmis amuSavebac, rogoric MAPmap-ia.

