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`nacionaluri moZraobis~ wevrebs Soris dapirispireba grZeldeba
`erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ Tavmjdomaris arCevnebSi levan xabeiSvilis gamarjvebis Semdeg, partiaSi gaCnda ori mxare, romlebic Riad daupirispirdnen erTmaneTs.
nika melias momxreebma axali xelmZRvanelis gancxadebebs provokaciuli uwodes da dasZines, rom xabeiSvilis dapirebebi, dapirebebad rCeba da mas mxolod fasaduri efeqtebis moxdena surs. rogor afasebs levan xabeiSvilis xelmZRvanelobas da ratom uwodebs mis dapirebebs tyuils, am da sxva SekiTxvebze `nacionaluri moZraobis~ wevrma mirdat qamadaZem gvipasuxa.
– eleqtronuli arCevnebis wesiT `nacionaluri moZraobis~ Tavmjdomare levan xabeiSvili gaxda, ris Semdegac partiaSi poziciebi orad gaiyo. calke dganan adamianebi, romlebic axlad arCeul xelmZRvanels uWeren mxars da Tqven, romlebic nika melias mxardamWerebad darCiT. movismineT satelevizio komentarebi, romlebic erTmaneTis winaaRmdeg gaakeTeT, wavikiTxeT `feisbuq~ postebi, sadac ar cxreboda dapirispireba. Tqven rogor afasebT `nacionalur moZraobaSi~ ganviTarebul movlenebs?
– `nacionalur moZraobaSi~ Catarda demokratiuli arCevnebi, sadac gaimarjva xabeiSvilma. Cven vaRiareT da mivuloceT Sedegebi. es uprecedento movlena iyo qarTul politikur istoriaSi, rac, zogadad, kargia da politikosebs rom danapirebis Sesrulebas mosTxoven, esec orjer ori oTxia.
– aucileblad unda gkiTxoT imaze, razec sazogadoebaSi xmamaRla saubroben. amboben, rom `nika melia gaiyida~ da swored es ar apatia mas `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ amomrCevelma. ratom gaxda sazogadoebis rCeuli xabeiSvili, meliam ra Secdoma dauSva?
– sazogadoebaSi am sakiTxze xmamaRla saubari ar msmenia, Tumca sus-i ki avrcelebda msgavs propagandas. mixeil saakaSvili aris putinis patimari da misi tyveobidan Tavis daRweva araa martivi. es gvesmoda Zalian kargad da amitomac iyo, rom aravis vpirdebodiT sadme Sevardna-gamovardnas, radgan swored amgvari upasuxismgeblo gancxadebebi azianebs procesebs. Cven gvesmoda, rom sxva taqtikiT unda gvemoqmeda am dros, Tumca, partiaSi aRmoCndnen adamianebi, vinc am TemiT ispekulira, raTa partiaSi Zalaufleba da gavlena moepovebinaT. xabeiSvili am nawilSi meorexarisxovani figuraa, mas karnaxoben, rogor moiqces. Sesabamisad, rogorc ki arCevnebi dasrulda, vnaxeT, rom dapireba darCa dapirebad, iseve rogorc `qocebis~ SemTxvevaSi uamravi dapireba mogvismenia – asi qarxniT dawyebuli, `ufaso fuliT~ gagrZelebuli da damTavrebuli am dapirebiT `xuTi milioni – TiTo sofels~.
– xabeiSvilma sazogadoebas `nacionaluri moZraobis~ gaZlierebis 12-punqtiani gegma warudgina, maT Soris regionaluri organizaciebis gaZliereba, mixeil saakaSvilis gaTavisuflebis Stabisa da politikuri patimrebis gaTavisuflebis komitetis Seqmna, axalgazrduli organizaciis gaZliereba… rogor SeafasebT xabeiSvilis gegmas?
– wminda wylis populizmi, cru dapireba da spekulaciaa. xabeiSvili sami mTavari dapirebiT warsdga: uwyveti saprotesto aqciebi; miSas gaTavisufleba, maT Soris fizikurad SevardniTac; 50 axali ofisi. samive tyuili dapireba da spekulacia iyo. saakaSvilis gaTavisuflebis Stabi – es sityvaTa wyoba winasaarCevnod muSaobda kargad, aeroportebSi ixsnidnen kandidaturebs zogierTebi, gvaxsovs, magram arCevnebis Semdeg aRarc Stabia da aRarc miSas Tavisuflebas iTxovs es xalxi. daskvnebi mkiTxvelma gaakeTos.
– nika melias momxreebma, maT Soris Tqvenc, datoveT partiuli Tanamdeboba, Tumca darCiT partiaSi da ganacxadeT, rom gaagrZelebT brZolas saerTo miznebisaTvis. xom ar fiqrobT, rom es gancxadeba amomrCevlebis dasamSvideblad ufro gakeTda da `saerTo miznebisTvis brZolaSi~ saerTo miznebi naklebad SemogrCaT?. . .
– Cven yovelTvis im nabijebs vdgamT, romlebic sworad migvaCnia da rasac sajarod veubnebiT amomrCevels. marcxis SemTxvevaSi Tanamdebobebis datoveba winaswar iyo gacxadebuli, radgan axal Tavmjdomares danapirebis Sesasruleblad axali gundi sWirdeba. Tu vinmes daabrunebda Zvelebidan, es misi neba iyo, magram vnaxeT, rom, faqtobrivad – aravin. Cveni saerTo mizania evrointegracia, mixeil saakaSvilis janmrTelobis da sicocxlis gadarCena, politpatimrebis gaTavisufleba, rusuli ocnebis Secvla koaliciuri mmarTvelobiT. visac es miznebi amoZravebs gulwrfelad, Cven yvelasTan vTanamSromlobT.
– levan xabeiSvilis arCevis Semdeg `qarTul ocnebaSi~ ganacxades, rom isini axali Tavmjdomaris pirobebSi met destruqcias elodebian. rogor fiqrobT, mmarTveli partiis es prognozi ramdenad gamarTldeba?
– saerTod ar mainteresebs, ras fiqrobs mmarTveli partia. isini ar gamoxataven dRes qarTveli xalxis absoluturi umravlesobis nebas, levan xabeiSvilma ki pirvelive gadawyvetilebis miRebisas miqara, roca siidan amoiRo levan gorgilaZe, roin dvali, eliza efaZe da Sorena abaSiZe (levan gorgilaZe momdevno sxdomaze unda gamxdariyo sakrebulos wevri) da man es saqcieli ver axsna. cru braldebebi dagvdo, magram mtkicebuleba ver warmoadgina. Zalian uxerxulia dRes, rom `vardebis revoluciis~ Semoqmed partias tyuilebsa da araseriozulobaSi SemCneuli kaci Tavmjdomareobs.
– sazogadoebas axsovs, rom nika meliam xabeiSvils gamarjveba miuloca da dasZina, rom partiaSi darCeba manam, `sanam mixeil saakaSvili rusuli reJimis tyvea~. sazogadoebis nawili saubrobs imaze, rom nika melias bolodroindeli dumilidan da naklebi brZolisunarianobidan gamomdinare, xels aZlevda, rac moxda, anu `wylidan mSrali gamovida~, airida pasuxismgeblobebi raRac sargeblis sanacvlod. . .
– sazogadoebis nawili saubrobs – ras niSnavs? konkretulad, vin? nika meliam aCvena, rom miuxedavad Secdomebisa, is aris politikuri lideri, romelsac miaCnia, rom politika unda keTdebodes simarTliT da RirsebiT, rom am qveyanaSi sajaro politikis droa da kulisebSi politikis keTeba unda dasruldes. danarCeni – vin ra Worebs Txzavs, ar aris saintereso.
– zogadad, rogor SeafasebT dRes politikur viTarebas saqarTveloSi?
– yvelam icis, rom `qarTuli ocnebis~ arcerTi sityva/dapireba ar daijereba da qveynis prodasavlurobisTvis xifaTs warmoadgens, magram qarTvel xalxs kiTxva aqvs opoziciasTan: ra SeuZlia opozicias? riTia `qocebze~ ukeTesi? es unda axsnas opoziciam gasagebad. ras akeTebs, `qocebs~ rom gauSvebs? amaze pasuxi ar aris, ufro metic, mTavari opoziciuri partia didwilad `qocebs~ emsgavseba da esaa didi problema.
– levan xabeiSvilis brZanebiT `nacionaluri moZraobis~ siidan amoiRes 4 adamiani, `Tu xelis mowera Crdilidan gikarnaxes da mogawerines, eg qocobaa~, mimarTavT levan xabeiSvils Tqveni piradi feisbuqgverdidan da sTxovT, axsnas, ratom moiqca ase. ambobT amasac: `Tu ar dadeb mtkicebulebas, Cveulebrivi ukanaskneli matyuara xar~. Tqven ra daskvna gamogaqvT aRniSnulidan gamomdinare? xom ar fiqrobT, rom orad gayofili `nacionaluri moZraobis~ wevrebis interesebs Seewirnen aRniSnuli adamianebi?
– es adamianebi Seewirnen revanSs. gansxvavebuli azrisTvis revanSi aiRes pirveli SesaZleblobisTanave da Zalian uxerxulia, rom dRes Cven gveZaxian revanSistebs.
– ra informacia gaqvT mixeil saakaSvilis janmrTelobis mdgomareobasTan dakavSirebiT, zogadad, masze ra siaxleebs unda elodos sazogadoeba axlo momavalSi?
– ramdenadac vici, strasburgSia saqme da vnaxoT, ras ityvis strasburgis sasamarTlo.
– dabolos, rogor warmogidgeniaT `nacionaluri moZraobis~ momavali, rogor fiqrobT, am mocemulobaSi, xalxi isev gamogicxadebT ndobas?
– xalxma ndoba unda gamoucxados marTal da gulwrfel politikosebs. vnaxoT, Tu aseTi umravlesoba iqneba `nacionalur moZraobaSi~, maSin – ki.
