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`baTumo, Cemo lurjo qalaqo, Cemi ocnebis cisfero sevdav, mealerseba palmis marao da Sens quCebSi simReras vbedav~ – 70-ian wlebSi, bulvarSi yovel saRamos ismoda simRerad qceuli es leqsi, romlis avtori axalgazrda poeti, studenti gogona babo xvedeliZe iyo. axla qalbatoni babo ramdenime wignis avtoria, pedagogis, Jurnalistis gza warmatebiT ganvlo da Tavis didebul ojaxSi xarobs, Svidi SviliSvilis saukeTesod aRmzrdelis yoveli dRe poeturi ganwyobiT, ojaxsa da axloblebze, megobrebze zrunviT, siyvaruliTaa savse. dRes qalbatoni babo gazeT `aWaris~ stumaria
– Zvel baTumelebs kargad axsovT Tqvens leqsze Seqmnili simRera baTumze. . . gaixseneT misi Seqmnis istoria. . .
– siamovnebiT gavixseneb. ansambl `adilas~ xelmZRvanelma anzor TavberiZem mTxova, misi Seqmnili musikisTvis leqsi damewera. fortepianos mivujeqi da. . . daibada `simRera baTumze~. sakavSiro konkursze rom vacilebdi, aleko xomerikma vedrebasaviT warmoTqva: `Seni RmerTi gvfaravdes, babo!~ gamarjvebulebi dabrundnen da wlebis manZilze es simRera ismoda bulvarSi, radioSi, sufraze. mokled, baTumTan erTad Cemi megobrebic mRerodnen da bednieri viyavi.
– roca pirvelad baTumi ixileT. . . STabeWdileba, romelic ar ganelebula. . .
– zRvaze rom leqsi davwere, nanaxic ar mqonda. mxolod mecxreklaselma saskolo eqskursiaze vnaxe qaTqaTa baTumi patara, lamazi saxlebiT da movlili ezoebiT. im dRes naadrevad moTova, gzaSi sami dRe CavrCiT da gavwvaldiT. . . mere ki xuTi weli bednieri davabijebdi am walkotSi, Tumca Semdeg aTi wliT davekarge baTums da poeziasac, rogorc SoTa zoiZe ambobda da rom gestumreT, davwere: `dabrunebas monatreba hqvia, monatreba – upirveles Tqveni!~. mere isev aTi wlis Semdeg, Cemma redaqtorma momavalina da JurnalisTvis vrceli narkvevi Cavutane, romelsac saTaurad poetis striqoni hqonda: `gulze baTumi maqvs mijaWvuli~. maxsovs, patara qaliSvili maxlda (niaz zosiZem kaklis murabis Tvalebiani Searqva). erTi leqsi maqvs. – `aT weliwadSi erTjer vwer leqsebs~. . . xumroba ar gegonoT, Cemi poezia baTumTan aris dakavSirebuli.
– is baTumelebi, qalaqisa da TviT Tqveni cxovrebis furclebs rom avseben. . .
– Cemi cxovrebis furclebs avseben: genrieta quTaTelaZe, pirvelma rom SemamCnia da Cems leqsebs da mxatvrul narkvevebs mwvane Suqi aunTo, nestor malazonia – sayvareli babu, lado seidiSvili – Cemi poeziis saRamoze rom damxata aWaris mweralTa kavSirSi, mkacri nadia sabaSvili – moskovSi 200 wlis winaT dabeWdili `saxareba~ da `samociqulo~ rom misaxsovra, Tamaz afxazava – `bitlzis~, visockis Tu fexburTis dauZinebel megobrad rom maqcia. . . levan abaSiZe, abel surgulaZe, neli dumbaZe, cisana anTaZe. . . es sia Zalian grZelia, me maT uangaro siyvaruls da zrunvas mudam vgrZnobdi da mec bevrs, rogorc neli dumbaZes, dagvianebiT, magram mainc CurCuliT gavumxile siyvaruli. . .
– pedagogi, poeti, Jurnalisti. . . yvela am sferoSi saxeli daimkvidreT, Tavad rogor warudgenT sakuTar personas Cvens mkiTxvels?
– axloblebi xumrobiT ugzo-ukvlod ganaTlebuls meZaxdnen, me ki Tavs mravalcolian kacs Sevadareb, verc erTs rom ver Seelia. muSaoba perevis saSualo skolaSi daviwye maswavleblad da direqtoris moadgiled. axalgazrdas yovelTvis bevri siaxle moaqvs, me kargi, megobruli koleqtivi Semxvda da Cemma pirvelive konferenciam Tavisi SedegebiT respublikaSi rezonansi gamoiwvia. maSindeli ganaTlebis ministri Tamar laSqaraSvili skolaSi gvestumra. male evropaSic mimavlines iqauri skolebis muSaobis gasacnobad. dRes yvela klasSi vswavlob (Svidi SviliSvili!) da Sedarebisas Tamamad vityvi: Cvens ganaTlebis sistemas dangreva ki ara – sabWoTa ideologiisgan ganTavisufleba da cota gaumjobeseba sWirdeboda mxolod. konkursSi gamarjvebuli leqsi da moTxroba Jurnalma `pionerma~ moswavleobisas gamoaqveyna. intensiurad vibeWdebodi respulikur periodikaSi. poezia CemTvis arasodes yofila `puri arsobisa~. revaz jafariZe Cems pirvel krebulze werda: `krebulSi araerTi madliani leqsia da gulsatkenia, rom avtori metismetad mkacrad moepyro Tavis niWs da poetebis marulaSi ar gaeria~. Jurnalistobisas raikomis mdivnis da Cemi gemovneba ar daemTxva erTmaneTs, samagierod bevr karg redaqtorTan vTanamSromlobdi TbilisSi, saqarTvelos radioSi – eldar iberTan. JurnalistTa kavSiris wevri 1991 wlidan var. mTavari Tavisuflebaa. arasodes vyofilvar partiuli funqcionerebis mexotbe. protestma bevri satiruli leqsi damawerina. Jurnal `niangSi~ zaur bolqvaZe gverdebs miTmobda da leqsiT momiwodebda: `satiruli TvaliT gadmogvxede isev, bajiTelo qalo, babo xvedeliZe!~ iyo periodi, roca Jurnalistikas CamovSordi, radgan 2002 wels TaRliTobis msxverpli gavxdi. ukve gayiduli bina mogvyides, ris gamoc Jurnal `bumerangidan~ wamovedi, oficialuri saagento `Sansi~ Sevqmeni da yvelaferi gamoviZie. faqtobrivad, saxelmwifo manqana gvebrZoda – axali sajaro reestriT xom sayovelTaod iwonebdnen Tavs! im wlebSic iyvnen samarTliani mosamarTleebi, ki aWianurebdnen maqsimalurad, magram Svidwliani brZolis Semdeg sajaro reestrma aminazRaura 15000 dolaris zarali. moskovSi gaqceul TaRliT col-qmars 6-6-wliani patimroba Seefarda. maTma advokatma didi fuli SemomTavaza (prokuraturis survilic iyo!), ar daveTanxme. uzenaesma sasamarTlom precedentulad miiCnia saqme. esec umniSvnelovanesia. msgavs dazaralebulebs CemsaviT xangrZlivi da rTuli gzis gavla aRar mouwevdaT. . . ase rom, samarTali, marTlia, urmiT, magram mainc dadis. xolo rac Seexeba poezias, roca ganwyoba da mocaleoba meqneba, momavalSic davwer albaT, radgan poezia CemTvis TviTTerapiaa, sadac vimyofebi martoobis fufunebaSi!
– iyo kargi pedagogi, ioli rodia, Tqven es SesZeliT da ra SegiZliaT axla urCioT axalgazrda pedagogebs? Tqveni gamocdileba sainteresoa.
– skolaSi yvela safexuri gaviare – sazafxulo banakis ufrosobidan skolis direqtorobamde. repetitoric viyavi, yvela abiturienti umaRlesi qulebiT gaxda studenti (`padvalis universiteti~ rom gaCnda, am saqmes CamovSordi). rCevisTvis rogor gavkadnierde, magram me piradad arasodes amiRia fuli Cemi moswavleebisgan, arc momimzadebia, gakveTilzeve, ufasod vaZlevdi saTanado codnas. miyvars bavSvebi da vcdilob, yovelTvis viyo samarTliani, amasTan, dros ar unda CamorCe. sul es aris!
– ojaxi patara saxelmwifoao, naTqvamia. . . am saxelmwifos saTaveSi vis moiazrebT. . . gviambeT Tqvens ojaxze. . .
– gavizarde did, patriarqalur, stumarTmoyvare ojaxSi. mere Cemi patara saxelmwifo Sevqmeni, romlis saTaveSi qiSvardi Wixoria idga, Cemze 12 wliT ufrosi, fizika-maTematikosi, skolis direqtori, ganaTlebuli, gemovnebiani mkiTxveli da cnobili bibliofili. mis mier ganvlili gza da keTili saqmeebi dResac didad mexmareba yofiTi siZneleebis daZlevaSi. rva welia, maradisobas SeuerTda. Svilebi xalxisTvis da qveynisTvis umZimes wlebSi gavzardeT. ganaTlebac miiRes. maka da misi meuRle warmatebuli iuristebi arian, sam niWier Svils zrdian. gaga bavSvobaSi moTxrobebs werda. did momavals uwinaswarmetyvelebdnen, magram misi Taobidan bevrma gadauxvia bavSvobis miswrafebebs. . .
– Tqvens erT-erT wigns `saxsovari~ uwodeT, ratom, risi saxsovaria es wigni?
– aWaris mweralTa kavSirSi Cemi leqsebis ganxilvis bolos, didebulma poetma zurab gorgilaZem xelnaweri leqsi gadmomca, romelSic Cems poezias aqebda, magram ase mTavrdeboda: `es gulic moita, gogo!~ – albaT wyena Sematyo, gamiRima da Semrigeblurad miTxra leqsadve: `nu SiSob, qalo, gimRer Torem, me ki ar getrfi! me miyvars sxva da minda, Senc rom uyvarde sul sxvas~. SevrigdiT. merec ramdenime mSvenieri leqsi momiZRvna. dRes meamayeba, rom bevri cnobili adamianis muza viyavi. samocamde leqss, avtorebis xelnawerebiT rom SemomrCa, Cems leqsebTan erTad am wignSi mivuCine adgili da `saxsovaric~ davarqvi.
– ra TvisebebiT unda gamoirCeodes kargi adamiani?
– adamians unda gamoarCevdes sibrZne, daxvewili gemovneba, enamzeoba, xelgaSliloba, gulgaSliloba da Tu yvelafer amas sasiamovno garegnoba da simdidrec axlavs. . . mokled, bevri avTandili minda saqarTveloSi.
– ena dedaa erisa, es yvelas pirze akeria, unda vufrTxildebodeTo, magram sinamdvileSi rogor veqceviT Cvens dedaenas?
– dedaenas friad borotad veqceviT (gansakuTrebiT, telewamyvanebze vbrazob, beWdviTi sityva ufro karg dReSia). Aaxals da amaze ukeTess verafers vityvi, – dedaena eris siZlieris qvakuTxedia.
– sulieri srulyofisaTvis ras urCevdiT adamianebs?
– sulier srulyofas arc dasawyisi aqvs da arc dasasruli. axalgazrdebs vurCevdi ganaTlebas, codnis miRebas, inteleqtualur ganviTarebas.
– roca kacobriobis momavalze fiqrobT. . .
– adamianis tvinis SesaZleblobebi usazRvroa. cifruli epoqa bevr sikeTes moitans, magram xelovnuri inteleqti adamians ver Semicvlis, rogorc aivazovskis naxati ver Semicvlis namdvil zRvas.
– yvelaze faseuli, rac SeiZleba dautovoT STamomavlobas?
– oqros kuboTi axalgazrda tutanhamoni damarxes, aleqsandre makedonels ki daubarebia, xelgaSlili gamasveneT, yvelam naxos, im qveynad araferi mimaqvso. STamomavlobas gakeTebuli saqmeebi unda davutovoT, aba, saxeli herostatemac ki datova artemidas taZris gadawviT!
– zRapris romel gmirs gamoixmobdiT?
– zRapari yovelTvis iarsebebs, Tundac imitom, rom adamianSi gadarCes bavSvi. princesobaze arasodes miocnebia, rogorc erT leqsSi vambob, axlac konkia var, – `saqmiani, saTno gogona, erT meocnebe ufliswulze dasawindavi!~, saqarTvelos ki dRes moxerxebuli, saWiroebaze morgebuli, gonieri nacarqeqia gamoadgeboda, fizikuri sisustis miuxedavad, devebs rom amarcxebs.
– mainc ra aris wuTisofli?. . roca aseTi fiqrebi moejareba adamians, nugeSi sad unda hpovos, upirvelesad?
– gauxednavi kvicebiviT miqrian wlebi, magram miyvars gafrenili dReebis gaxseneba. vfiqrob, uazrod ar micxovria, Tumca bevri ram damrCa gasakeTebeli. baTumidan moulodnelad rom gavqri, dRemde sayveduriviT Camesmis anzoris Sesrulebuli musika da Cemi dausrulebeli leqsis striqoni: `gabrazebula baTumi Cemze, mudam talRebTan moCxubari~. . . mogvianebiT masze kompozitorma aleqsandre xaxaSvilma dawera musika. kargi iqneboda, isev Zvel baTumel momRerals Seesrulebina, magram Zvelma momRerlebma dagvtoves, axlebi ki arc micnoben albaT. me xom damalvis ostati var! ai, roca aseTi fiqrebi momejareba, nugeSs ufalTan vnaxulob da kidev, Zalian mamSvidebs axloblebisTvis gakeTebuli qvelmoqmedeba, roca amis SesaZleblobas ufali maZlevs!
– ganaxlebuli baTumi Tqveni TvaliT. . .
– maxarebs aRmSenebloba da ganaxlebuli baTumi, magram cota Zvelic dagvitoveT, Tundac portis sanapirodan delfinariumamde. minda baTumelebs uamravi siyvaruli vusurvo! me ki Tqvens saxlebSi daupatiJeblad SemiZlia gestumroT da Tamamad giTxraT: ZirZveli baTumelebi Tuki odesme raime jildos moigonebT baTumze Seyvarebuli arabaTumelebisaTvis, nebismiers gavuwev metoqeobas!
– rogor daasrulebdiT am intervius?
– isev savse var ciTa da mziTa, Tumc mekeceba frTebi, baTumi miyvars cisferi zRviT da baTumi miyvars TqveniT!