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maT Soris, vinc gansakuTrebuli siyvaruliT saubroben sakuTar profesiaze, gansakuTrebulad uyvarT samSoblo da dganan misi keTildReobis sadarajoze, aris xulos dramatuli Teatris msaxiobi levan abulaZe, romelic gvinda, gagacnoT
mas miaCnia, rom Tavisufleba siyvarulia da Tu giyvars, aucileblad mogecema SesaZlebloba, akeTo, rac Senia, gamoxato, rac SenSia da miiRo yvelaze didi jildo – adamianebis siyvaruli. fiqrobs, rom brZolas sakuTari qveynis, sakuTari Tavis ganviTarebisTvis yovelTvis aqvs azri. swored am suliskveTebam waiyvana omSi, omSi, romelmac kidev ufro gauRviva survili, rom misi qveyana Zlieri, mxrebSi gamarTuli da gamarjvebuli iyos mterze, romelsac okupanti ruseTi hqvia.
– bavSvoba, wlebi, romlebmac xelovnebasTan dagaaxlovaT. . .
– xelovanebis ojaxSi davibade. babua Salva bolqvaZe da biZa genadi bolqvaZe msaxiobebi iyvnen. xSirad miwevda TeatrSi repeticiebze yofna, speqtaklebze daswreba. Cvens ojaxSi xSirad ikribebodnen xelovani adamianebi, vusmendi maT istoriebs, vxedavdi Teatrisadmi maT damokidebulebas, siyvaruls da SeiZleba iTqvas, pataraobidanve `moviwamle~ am xelovnebiT. bavSvobaSi vcekvavdi, scenaze dgoma udides siamovnebas maniWebda da darwmunebuli viyavi, rom scenas mTel cxovrebas davukavSirebdi.
– ras niSnavs Teatri TqvenTvis?
– mTel cxovrebas. SemiZlia Tamamad vTqva, rom Cemi cxovreba Zalian uferuli da bevrad carieli iqneboda, rom ara is personaJebi, romlebic ganvasaxiere. Teatrma sakuTar TavSi aRmomaCenina Tavisufleba. 90-iani wlebis bavSvi viyavi, mogexsenebaT, Zalian bevri problema iyo qveyanaSi, faqtobrivad, ar erqva bavSvoba imas, rac gvqonda. Tavisuflebisganac Sors iyo maSindeli realoba, magram, roca TeatrSi Sevabije, mivxvdi, rom aq SeiZleboda imis keTeba, rac mogesurveboda. mivxvdi, rom is Tavisufleba, rasac eZebda levan abulaZe, ipova TeatrSi.
– dRes ramdenad iZleva srul Tavisuflebas Teatri, ramdenad warmoaCens da zedapirze amoaqvs is sakiTxebi, rac sazogadoebaSi aqtualuria?
– samwuxarod, erTgvarad, maxinji biurokratia Sevida TeatrSi da, zogadad, xelovnebaSi, magram swored is aris msaxiobis privilegia, rom scenaze iyos damoukidebeli da Tqvas, rasac fiqrobs. ra Tqma unda, speqtakli gunduri muSaobis Sedegia, magram mimaCnia, rom xelovneba individualuria, romelic gaZlevs SesaZleblobas, xmamaRla Tqva Seni saTqmeli. Tu gagimarTla da karg reJisorTan, karg partniorebTan mogiwia muSaoba, ufro advilia amis Tqma. mimaCnia, rom ar arsebobs didi da patara roli, arseboben didi da patara msaxiobebi, anu imis Tqma minda, rom Tu adamians raRac konkretulis Tqma unda, aucileblad ityvis da arafris fasad ar Caiketeba sakuTar naWuWSi. ra Tqma unda, kargi iqneba, Tu yvela Teatri da gansakuTrebiT regionaluri Teatrebi airCeven erT xazs, erT kurss da pirvel rigSi, TavianTi mayureblis dakveTiT imuSaveben. Teatri SemecnebiTi xasiaTis speqtaklebze unda akeTebdes aqcents, rac ganapirobebs gemovnebiani mayureblis aRzrdas. magaliTad, xulos Teatrs ufro axalgazrda mayurebeli hyavs da saWiroa iseTi repertuaris SerCeva, romelic daexmareba am adamianebs, TeatrSi ipovon pasuxebi im kiTxvebze, rasac ver pouloben skolaSi, ojaxSi, quCaSi da ase Semdeg. Teatrma mayurebeli realurad unda daafiqros im problemebze, romlebic SesaZloa Tavad am mayureblis irgvlivaa, magram ver xedavs. Teatri erTgvari mediatori unda iyos Tavisuflebasa da sazogadoebas Soris.
– dRes mayurebeli iRebs kiTxvebze pasuxs, rasac TeatrSi eZebs?
– qarTuli Teatri yovelTvis ambobda Tavis sityvas ara marto saqarTveloSi, aramed mTlianad Teatralur samyaroSi. qarTul Teatrs hqonda aRzevebis periodi, roca msoflio gaaoca. konkretulad ar vici, ram gamoiwvia, magram is simaRle, rac hqonda, dakarga qarTulma Teatrma, dacarielda TiTqos. Tu adre adamianebi specialurad emzadebodnen TeatrSi wasasvlelad, sul sxva damokidebuleba hqondaT, dRes es TiTqos aRar aris. guli mikvdeba, Zalian bevr TeatrSi cariel darbazs rom vxedav. sisxlis mimoqcevas SeiZleba SevadaroT mayureblisa da Teatris urTierToba. dRes realurad rac ainteresebs mayurebels, yvela Teatrma swored mag mimarTulebiT unda imuSaos da ganviTardes. saqarTveloSi iseTi Teatrebi da Teatraluri kultura gvaqvs, swori muSaobis SemTxvevaSi, msoflios sxva Teatrebs Soris kvlav erT-erT wamyvan pozicias davikavebT.
– roli, romelSic yvelaze ukeT gamoxateT sakuTari Tavi, SesaZleblobebi. . .
– yvela msaxiobs aqvs erTi an ramdenime roli, romelic absoluturad daemTxva mis Sinagan mdgomareobas, mis ambicias, mis SesaZleblobebs. vfiqrob, yvela roli sainteresoa. ar arsebobs cudi roli, magram arian personaJebi, romlebic Zalian ggvanan. gamovarCev reJisor oTar qaTamaZis mier xulos TeatrSi dadgmul speqtakls `omis RmerTi~, romelic Zalian miyvars. masSi saubari ara marto qarTul, aramed globalur problemazea. personaJi, romelsac vTamaSobdi, CemTvis Zalian nacnobia, radgan mis msgavss araerTxel Sevxvedrivar. is aris adamiani, romelic cxovrobs ararealur, Tavisive gamogonil samyaroSi, magram jamSi SeuZlebelia, vinc realurad ar xar, is did xans iyo. am rolma Zalian didi siamovneba momaniWa da momitana mayureblis didi siyvarulic. kidev erTi roli maxsendeba, – 2013 wels viTamaSe zurab mdinaraZis piesis mixedviT dadgmul speqtaklSi `oragulebi~, romelic exeboda okupacias, afxazeTidan devnil adamianebs. vinaidan xulos dasSi cota msaxiobi iyo, momiwia oTxi rolis TamaSi. es imdenad saintereso gamodga CemTvis, vTvli, rom starti, rogorc msaxiobma, swored mag speqtaklidan aviRe, miuxedavad imisa, rom manamde ramdenime roli mqonda naTamaSebi.
– rogorc viciT, swored speqtaklSi `omis RmerTi~ Sesrulebuli rolisTvis axlaxan dagajildoves. . .
– diax, am speqtaklma momitana aRiareba, qarTulma Teatralurma sazogadoebam damajildova mamakacis rolis saukeTeso SesrulebisTvis. minda madloba vuTxra oTar qaTamaZes, rom ara mis mier SerCeuli piesa da dauRalavi Sroma CvenTan erTad, es Sedegi ver iqneboda.
– aqve gkiTxavT axalgazrda reJisorebze, romlebsac axali xedvebi, meti mravalferovneba moaqvT, rac Teatrs kidev ufro sainteresos xdis, Tumca xSirad Teatrebi ar, an ver iwveven maT. . .
– samwuxarod, regionuli Teatrebis finansuri SesaZleblobebi ar iZleva bevri reJisoris mowvevis saSualebas. isic unda vaRiaroT, rom reJisorebis krizisi gvaqvs saqarTveloSi. vinc warmatebulia an unda yofiliyo warmatebuli, samwuxarod, emigraciaSi wavida, radgan xSir SemTxvevaSi ar aris gasaqani aq maTTvis. Tumca mainc SeiZleba iseT reJisorebs gaakeTebino TeatrSi speqtaklebi, vinc ar Cans, magram aqvs Rirebulis Seqmnis potenciali. mudmivad ZiebaSi unda iyos Teatri. ubralod, arsebobisTvis iarsebos, arasworia, TeatrSi mudmivi duRili unda iyos, yovel kviraSi unda imarTebodes speqtaklebi.
– Teatrebs urCevniaT ukve aTasgzis dadgmuli speqtaklebis dadgma, TiTqos axlis dadgmis eSiniaT, riskebs ufrTxian da Zalian iSviaTad, an sul ar mimarTaven qarTveli dramaturgebis piesebs.
– Cven gvyavs sakmaod niWieri, axalgazrda dramaturgebi. Aaucilebelia, Teatrma auwyos fexi Tanamedrove cxovrebas, Tanamedrove dramaturgias. gavigeT, rom kldiaSvili genialuria, rom Seqspiri zegenialuria, magram eseni ukve mravaljer daidga. Zalian bevri saintereso piesaa, romlis dadgmac SeiZleba, magram Teatrebis umravlesobas uWirs siaxlis miReba, radgan sariskod Tvlian. arada, Teatri Ziebaa, ar unda SegveSindes riskebis. yvela Teatrs, reJisors, msaxiobs yovelTvis yvelaferi TavisTavad ar gamouva, magram Ziebis procesis SeCereba Teatrs moutans zians.
– sazogadoeba gicnobT rogorc meamboxe adamians, romelic yovelTvis dgas qveynis sadarajoze. amas adasturebs isic, rom omis veterani xarT. ra gaswavlaT da daganaxaT omma?
– bavSvobidan Zalian miyvarda samSoblo, rac dedaCemis damsaxurebaa, man patriot adamianad gamzarda. Tan im dros davibade, roca Cems qveyanas Zalian uWirda. omSi wasvliT, pirvel rigSi, sakuTar Tavs davumtkice, rom SemiZlia, samSoblos gavukeTo raRac da, Tu saWiro gaxda, davuTmo sakuTari sicocxlec ki. miuxedavad imisa, rom ar miwevda jarSi wasvla, vinaidan dediserTa var, Cemi surviliT wavedi. maSin jer ar igrZnoboda omis saSiSroeba, magram iseT tempSi midioda qveynis ganviTareba, rom Canda, aucileblad moindomebda mteri Cvens SeCerebas. ar SemiZlia Cemi qveyana omobdes da me saxlSi vijde, Cvenma `erTmorwmune~, `keTilismsurvelma~ mezobelma dagvitriala jojoxeTi – miwebi wagvarTva, bevri sicocxle Seiwira, bevri ltolvilad aqcia, magram, Cvenma qveyanam gmirulad ibrZola. 2008 wlis omma CemSi samSoblos siyvaruli gaaaTasmaga, bevr tkivilTan erTad, didi siamaye damitova. siamaye, rom Cvens qveyanas iseTi mebrZolebi hyavs, romlebic ukan arasdros daixeven. mimaCnia, rom imis daviwyeba, axlo warsulSi rogor moeqca Sens qveyanas okupanti ruseTi, didi naZirlobaa da sxva araferi.
– rogor fiqrobT, dRes sad vdgavarT, ras viTxovT?
– dRes Cven – axalgazrdebi axals arafers viTxovT, mxolod sakuTar Tavs. Cven varT evropelebi, Cveni kultura bevr evropul qveyanaze maRla dgas. ubralod, cudi mezobeli aRmogvaCnda da, samwuxarod, qveynis SigniTac bevri mokavSire ipova, ramac axalgazrdebi gvaiZula, jer omSi CavrTuliyaviT uwveruli biWebi, Semdeg saSinel politikur qaraSotebs gadaevlo Cvens Tavze. samwuxarod, dResac surT, uari gvaTqmevinon sakuTar Tavze, evropaze, imaze, rac realurad varT Sinaganad. evropuli kulturis mniSvnelovani nawili dafuZnebulia qarTul kulturaze, amitom axalgazrdebi vinc gavida da moiTxova evropuli Rirebulebebis erTguleba, arian gmirebi, magram ar aris es yvelaferi sakmarisi. Zalian didi safrTxis winaSe vdgavarT. unda viyoT fxizlad, Torem Zalian cud dReSi CavvardebiT. Tu yvelani gaviqceviT am qveynidan da avyvebiT ruseTis mier Semogdebul narativs – ar mogwons, wadi, cudad davasrulebT. sad wavide? minda vicxovro rogorc evropelma.
– is, rac Tavs yvelaze kargad gagrZnobinebT. . .
– Cemi araCveulebrivi megobrebi, romlebTan erTad drois gatarebac CemTvis Zalian mniSvnelovania. Cemi megobrebi, ZiriTadad, xelovanebi arian, Zalian niWieri adamianebi. maTTan erTad musikis Seqmna, musikis mosmena, filmis yureba, saubrebi aris is, rac yvelaze metad miyvars da msiamovnebs.
– Tavisuflebis fasi. . .
– Tavisufleba, pirvel rigSi, sakuTari Tavis siyvaruli da pativiscemaa. Tavisuflebaa akeTo, rac ginda, oRond amiT sxva ar daaziano. Tavisuflebis gareSe ar gamodis arcerTi saqme, Tavisufleba yvela adamianis SesaZleblobaa. Tu Tavisufali ar xar, ver ipovi sakuTar Tavs, verc imas aRmoaCen, ra SegiZlia. Tavisuflebas moaqvs siyvaruli, Tavisuflebas moaqvs arCevanis saSualeba da is, rasac irCev, fiqrob da sakuTari SexedulebiT akeTeb, ukve badebs siyvaruls. gamodis, rom siyvaruli Tavisuflebaa da Tavisufleba siyvarulia.
– rogoria Tqveneuli harmonia garesamyarosTan?
– mTaSi var gazrdili, araCveulebriv adgilas, sadac saocari buneba da silamazea. sayvarel babuasa da bebiasTan erTad davdiodi xolme ialaRebze, sadac erTaderTi gasarTobi bunebaSi xetiali iyo. swored mag periodidan daiwyo Cemma cnobierma samyaros Secnoba da axlac, rodesac ganmartoeba, momindeba, mivdivar mTaSi, rac Zalian mmuxtavs da didi xnis samyof energias mmatebs.
– gasuli epoqidan visTan erTad isurvebdiT Wiqa RvinosTan saubars?
– mixeil javaxiSvilTan visaubrebdi siamovnebiT, romelmac, Cemi azriT, Zalian kargad gaicno qarTveli kacis buneba. man zustad icoda problemebis gadaWris gzebi. ubralod, cud dros mouwia cxovreba da swored imitom, rom flobda saWiro informaciebs, daxvrites. buxarTan, Wiqa RvinosTan erTad, didxans visaubrebdiT saqarTveloze, qarTvelze, imaze, Tu rogor SeiZleba gamovideT im problemebidan, rac mixeil javaxiSvilsac awuxebda da es wuxili dResac gvaerTianebs masTan.
– musikis roli – Tqvens cxovrebaSi. . .
– yvela asakSi sxvadasxvanairad aRiqvam samyaros. gardatexis asakSi, roca amboxi zenitSi iyo CemSi, vusmendi alternatiul roks, romlis gareSec ver vcxovrobdi. Semdgomma wlebma qarTuli folklori ufro Semayvara. mogvianebiT ki gamoCnda umagresi da udidesi musikosi niaz diasamiZe, romlis garda dRes, ubralod, veravis vusmen. imdenad zustad mReris imaze, rac aris saqarTvelo, rom srulebiT mavsebs misi Semoqmedeba. zogadad, xarisxian musikas CemTvis didi mniSvneloba aqvs, SeiZleba vTqva, ar arsebobs Cemi dRe musikis gareSe.
– rogoria Tqveni wili baTumi?
– baTumi aris tilo. . . baTumi mravalferovani, Tbili da sayvareli qalaqia, sadac nebismieri adamiani Tavisi ganwyobis Sesabamis sivrces poulobs, Tavis istorias wers. am qalaqis umTavresi xibli CemTvis Cemi megobrebi arian. aseve zRvas, horizonts da usasrulobas didi roli uWiravs Cems cxovrebaSi. baTumi aris is qalaqi, sadac mTeli cxovreba vicxovreb da ar momwyindeba.
– roli, romelsac didi siamovnebiT ganasaxierebdiT. . .
– didi siamovnebiT viTamaSebdi profesor volands `ostati da margaritadan~, radgan es personaJi aiZulebs adamianebs, pasuxi agon TavianT amoralur danaSaulebze.
– qali, romelTanac siamovnebiT icekvebdiT tangos. . .
– rTuli SekiTxvaa, axla warmosaxvaSi Zalian bevr qalTan mominda cekva, magram modi. . . amjerad, skarlet iohansonTan vicekveb tangos.
– filmi, romelSic cota xniT gadaxvidodiT sacxovreblad.
– `cisferi mTebi~. vaJa zazaeviCTan davjdebodi saqeifod, oRond rogorc profesori volandi.
– siyvaruli, rogorc. . . .
– Jangbadi. siyvaruls Cems cxovrebaSi Jangbadze didi rolic aqvs. siyvaruli aris is erTaderTi grZnoba, romelsac SeuZlia, adamians Tavi adamianad agrZnobinos. minda, Tqvens mkiTxvels, Cems mayurebels da mTlianad dedamiwas vemudaro, rom uyvardeT, upirvelesad, sakuTari Tavi da Semdeg – erTmaneTi. albaT eg aris is RvTiuri edemi, razec gvesaubreba RmerTi. yvelas Tu erTmaneTi eyvareba, xom SeuZlebeli iqneba, adamianebma danaSauli Caidinon? xom SeuZlebelia, adamianma adamians waarTvas raime mniSvnelovani, rodesac icis siyvarulisa da sakuTari Tavis mniSvneloba? isev da isev, siyvaruli erTaderTi gzaa Tavisuflebisken.
– adamiani da misgan naTqvami fraza, romelic yvelaze metad genatrebaT. . .
– mama menatreba yvelaze metad. masTan araCveulebrivi megobrebi xSirad modiodnen stumrad, bevrs saubrobdnen, mRerodnen, sadRegrZeloebs ambobdnen, sityvauxvobdnen. erT-erTi stumrobisas, roca sicocxlis sadRegrZelos Cemi TamadobiT svamdnen, xan asi wlis sicocxle misurves, xan orasis, mec bavSvi viyavi da mixaroda, maTi naTqvamis mixedviT lamis samas weliwads unda mecocxla. am dros mamaCemma gamomxeda, Tvali Camikra da miTxra. `mama, kacuri sicocxle iyos da 15 wuTi iyos~. es fraza sul mdevs.
– vin aris levan abulaZe?
– erTi Cveulebrivi adamiani, zomierad ambiciuri da Zalian mosiyvarule. mokled, kargi adamiania levan abulaZe.

