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gazeT `aWaris~ stumaria leila berZeniSvili – musikosi, poeti, kompozitori, Jurnalisti, saerTaSoriso samarTlis specialisti, araerTi saerTaSoriso konkursis laureati, saqarTvelosa da san-franciskos mweralTa kavSiris wevri. 2002 wels, vaSingtonSi msoflios 33 saukeTeso poetTa Soris daasaxeles, Sesulia anTologiaSi (`sulis werilebi~) leqsiT `arfa~. misi leqsebi dabeWdilia saqarTveloSi gamocemul araerT poetur krebulSi, aris nikoloz baraTaSvilis premiis laureati, leqsebis krebulebis avtori. Targmnilia inglisurad, germanulad, frangulad, aseve avtoria xuTi sruli formis da ramdenime moklemetraJiani kinoscenaris, sabavSvo leqsebisa da zRaprebis. gamocemuli aqvs 70 simReris albomi. qalbatoni leila sixaruliT igonebs baTumSi cxovrebis wlebs, roca aWaris saxelmwifo simfoniur orkestrSi ukravda da madlierebiT ambobs, rom es iyo mSvidi, lamazi, siyvaruliT, megobrobiT, musikiT savse wlebi.
– axlaxan Tqvenma axalma simRera-kompozicia `oCopintrem~, romelic internetsivrceSi farTod gavrcelda, bevri gaamxiarula. . .
– simRerebs, ZiriTadad, Cems leqsebze vwer – erTdroulad `mewereba~, `oCopintre~ ki ase movida Tqvenamde: wlebis win qalbaton cisana iobiZes Cauvarda xelT Cemi leqsebis wigni `roca Zalian momenatrebi~ da quTaisSi momiwyo Sexvedra. iq meore poeti – l. gvenetaZec gaxldaT. zogadad, miyvars adamianebis gaxareba, maTi warmoCena. . . CavTvale, rom raRac unda gamekeTebina misTvis, ar vici ratom da. . . misi wignidan oCopintrem ineba CemTan – musikaSi gadmosaxleba. cota raRac ki Sevcvale, magram ase ajoba. xdeba xolme. . . Tu me vwer leqss kompozitorisTvis, viTvaliswineb, ra unda, rogor imRereba sityva. magaliTad, Cveni sayvareli macacosTvis (kompozitori rusudan sefiskveraZe) – `liza, patara qalao~ araferi Semicvlia (Teatraluri kvarteti asrulebs), magram leqsze `ninia~ erTad vimuSaveT.
– mravalmxrivi Semoqmedi xarT, ufro laRad sad grZnobT Tavs, sad hpova sulma savane?
– CemTvis adamians aqvs mniSvneloba da ara profesias. ar vyof adamianebs. TviTon Zalian komfortuli, ubralo adamiani var (amavdroulad – rTulic). ras niSnavs es? aravis vaxvev Tavs Cems Semoqmedebas. ar miyvars Tavis qeba. vusmen sxvas, vamCnev, ar damenaneba keTili sityva. ar SemSurdeba aravis araferi, ar var mimbaZveli, Casafrebuli. TanamSromlobis dros var punqtualuri. uwesrigobas ver vitan. miyvars simarTle. yovelTvis vafaseb niWier adamianebs da Tu vxedav, sadRac saWiro var, uTqmelad vexmarebi, stimuls vaZlev, vaqezeb. vuxsni, gzas vuCveneb. minda da vakeTeb. amas veravin maiZulebs. arc madlobas viTxov, magram, amavdroulad, verc upativcemulobasa da Tavxedobas gavatareb da SeiZleba uceb `gavcivde~. esaa Cemi `sirTule~, meore loyas mogiSver, magram Tavs ar gagalaxineb! laRad sad vgrZnob Tavs? yvelgan, sadac guli mimiwevs. . . poezia da musika ki CemTvis savanea. ar SemiZlia madlierebiT ar gavixseno batoni besik xaranauli. is iyo Cemi motivatori. Zalian moswonda Cemi leqsebi (verlibri, minima), ucxour avtorebs madarebda. mTxovda `nobaTSi~ mimetana dasabeWdad. ar movusmine. sxva specialobebSic ar movusmine avtoritetebs. megona, dro Cemi iyo. dRes yvelas vebodiSebi da madlierebas gamovxatav aseTi gulwrfeli TanadgomisTvis, rCevisTvis, siyvarulisTvis. rodesac ucxo adamiani mogZebnis (miuxedavad imisa, rom arcerTi wigni ar gamiyidia – saCuqrad darigda) dagirekavs da getyvis – Tqveni leqsebi Zalas maZlevs da sasTumalTan Tqveni wigni midevso, es aris yvela miTologiis, aqtiurobis da jildos fasi. sabednierod, aseTi jildo sakmarisad maqvs.
– literaturuli dajgufebis `21-e saukunis qarTuli poezia~ wamyvani Tanaavtori xarT, misi egidiT gamocemul krebulSi ibeWdebiT. ramdenad mniSvnelovania mwerlisTvis literaturul jgufebSi gawevrianeba?
– `21-e saukunis qarTuli poeziis~ saTaveSi saocarad niWieri poeti da gamorCeulad mowesrigebuli kaci dgas, – maestro Temur cercvaZe. aq saintereso avtorebi arian. Tumca jgufSic dajgufebebi SeiniSneba, rac zogierT karg avtors, yoveldRiuri Sefasebisas, kargavs. es TvalSisacemi imitomaa, rom aris xolme Zalian gacveTili riTmebi (Torem Temebi yvela enaze erTia), gadamRerebuli didi poetebis ritmebi, moparuli frazebi, sunTqva, haeri. . . aseT avtorebTan uxvadaa komentarebi (zogadadac) `Seni Wirime~, `Sen genacvale~ – me aseT leqsebze aseTi komentarebiT vkiTxulob adamianebs, maT gemovnebas da pirovnulobas, vxatav fsiqologiur portretebs. SeiZleba arcerTi mowonebuli leqsi CemTvis Sedevri da poeziis margaliti ar iyos da – piriqiT. es Cemi azria, veli Tavisufalia, Sefasebac – individualuri. ubralod, yvelam Tavis gulSi da sindisSi unda Caixedos. kritika ar gvaqvs, yvelaze didi kritikosi – dro ki gvian afasebs da mere guli gvwydeba (viTom) rom Rirseulad ver movefereT zogierTs. bazari Zalian farToa da Wreli. uamravi abdaubda gamodis wignad. araferi gansazRvruli ar aris. leqsis dawera da wignis gamocema dRes vaSlis yidvasaviTaa. Cveni wamxedurobiT da ambiciis gamo mdabio gemovnebisken ar unda mivaqanebdeT sazogadoebas, qarTuli `Zmoba~ aq gadamwyveti ar unda iyos. literatura Tavs ver icavs. amis paralelurad modis uamravi niWieri axalgazrda, rac Zalian maxarebs. Cemi Txovnaa ufrosTaTvis – viyoT marTalni da miukerZoebelni Sefasebisas. axalgazrdebs vurCev Tavis povnas, gavlenisgan gaqcevas, strofis gametebas (Tu saWiroa) da aqtiurobas.
– nayofieri literaturuli saqmianobisaTvis dajildoebuli xarT, xSirad gaqeben. . . rogor reagirebT – qeba gaxarebT Tu gafiqrebT?
– qebas da SeniSvnas yovelTvis uflisgan vgrZnob. ar vici, es rogor xdeba, magram asea! mxolod misi mjera. arasodes mivardeba TavSi araferi, arasodes. `me, aba, ra var, wuTisoflis morigi ZiZa~ (l. b.) ufro, mdumare adamiani var! da zogierTis zedmeti yoyoCoba Zalian maRizianebs.
– yvelaze kargad sad da rodis grZnobT Tavs?
– yvelaze kargad Tavs ubralo adamianebTan vgrZnob. Zalian bevri sikeTe da siyvarulia am adamianebSi. moxucebi miyvars. quCaSi ucxo adamianebTan bevrjer miWoravia, kargi megobrebiviT davcildebiT xolme erTmaneTs. arasodes mizidavda popularoba, Tavisuflebas garTmevs. Tu damijerebT, getyviT, rom Zalian bevrma Cems irgvliv arc icis Cemi sulieri cxovreba. laRad saubari miyvars, iumori, sicili, simRera da sikeTis Cumad keTeba.
– ra sagzali gagatanaT mSobliurma kuTxem, adgilma, sadac daibadeT da gaizardeT. . . da qalaqi, sadac axla cxovrobT da saqmianobT, ra adgils ikavebs Tqvens cxovrebaSi?
– guruli var – Coxatauridan. uzomod miyvars gurulebi – sxarti da patiosani xalxi. diplomatiur akademiaSi jer kidev SevardnaZis dros Cavabare. samarTlis gamocdaze, saerTaSoriso samarTlis eqspertma levan mataraZem naxa Cemi `sivi~ da radgan iq, ZiriTadad, istorikosebi an iuristebi abarebdnen, me ki musikosi viyavi, gaocebulma mkiTxa: ratom gadawyviteT diplomatiurze Cabarebao. guruli var-meTqi. hoda. . . vin metyoda uars 30-wliani guruli diplomatiis magaliTze. TbilisSi vcxovrob, verasodes vicxovreb ucxoeTSi. metic, Tu ukan dasabruneblad bileTi ar maqvs, arsad mivfrinav. msoflio maqvs movlili, mogzaurobisas sami dRe wynarad var da mere mewyeba saSineli nostalgia – davdivar ucxo quCebSi da tiriliT vmReri `Tbiliso, Cemo deda Tbiliso~. . . an `Cemi miwa da mTa-bari, Cemi samSoblo aq aris,~ aq emRereba guuuls~. . . Cemi qaliSvili naxevrad amerikelia da ubednieresi var, rom aq gavzarde da misi samSobloc saqarTveloa. skolis asakSi ukve swavlobda kembrijSi, harvardSi. . . jer isev skolis moswavlea, momavali saerTaSoriso urTierTobebis specialisti, magram icis, rom sadac unda icxovros, saqarTvelos samsaxurSi unda iyos.
– Tqveni STagonebis wyaro. . .
– yovelTvis – sxvadasxva. xandaxan, didi emocia, Zalian ubralo ram, WuWyian TiTebze gakeTebuli brWyviala beWedic (daukvirdiT – udidesi fsiqologiaa, mTeli romani daiwereba)!
– rogori adamiania TqvenTvis mSvenieri da rogor Semodian isini Tqvens cxovrebaSi?
– Cemi sasjelia adamianebis siRrmiseuli xedva. SeiZleba erTs ambobdes da meores fiqrobdes da me, samwuxarod, zustad vici, ras fiqrobs. es Zalian mZimea. raRac filmicaa msgavsi… ver vixseneb. amitomaa CemTvis prioriteti sufTa adamianebi, sikeTe da ubraloeba.
– gulaxdili, gulwrfeli dialogi Tu gonebis TvaliT ganWvreta, romels amjobinebT?
– ra Tqma unda, gulwrfelobas. goneba sakiTxebis gadaWrisasaa aucilebeli da isic – mis wonas da situacias gaaCnia. erTi Cemi leqsi gamaxsenda: `cxovreba rTulia imdenad, ramdenad Wkviania kaci! cxovreba rTulia imdenad, ramdenad sulelia kaci!~.
– adamians Tu swams, mTasac daZravso. . . rogor gavZlierdeT?
– ki. Tu survilia, Zlieri survili, es sijiutes badebs da aseTi kaci mTasac TiTiT daZravs. aseve, rodesac ukan dasaxevi gza ara gaqvs da mocemuloba aris myari. iZuleba gaiZulebs. rwmenas siyvarulSi wvrTna da sikeTe aZlierebs. yvelaferi iswavleba, mTavaria, gaarCio TeTri Savisgan da cota codna gqondes, rom naTeli sjobs bnels. siZneleebis gadalaxvas ar unda SevuSindeT da gavzardoT CvenSi pirovneba.
– ras urCevdiT axalgazrdebs, axla rom mohkides kalams xeli?
– Zvirfaso axalgazrdebo, daafaseT warmateba, magram amisTvis ar SeiZleba yvelaferze xeli moaweroT. gaufrTxildiT, rac yvelaze metad Rirebulia. iareT ise, rom WuWyi ar datovoT, ukan dabrunebisas rom ar daisvaroT. Cvengan mxolod Cveni cxovrebis Sefaseba rCeba.
– roca didebuli da sayvareli adamianebi imier samyaroSi gadadian. . .
– martivi WeSmaritebis gaazreba sakuTar SemoRobilSi Zalian Znelad misaRebia. yvelam viciT, rom arsebobs uasako, janmrTeli, `moulodneli~, arasasurveli momkiTxavi, Zma – sikvdili. viciT da Zalian saintereso adamianuri damokidebuleba gvaqvs. ratomRac gvgonia, rom CvenTan is jer ar Semoivlis da, qristianuli TvalsazrisiT, ar gvaqvs mzaoba masTan Sesaxvedrad, Tumca, gvaxsovs swavleba – dRe pirveli iyos, rogorc dRe ukanasknelio. . . gvaxsovdes ufali! mosvlac, wasvlac da yvelaferi, Cven rom SemTxveviT gvgonia, – mxolod misi nebiT xdeba.
– roca bunebaSi xarT. . . vuvliT ki mas ise, rogorc saWiroa?
– Zvirfas qarTvelebs arafris movla ar gviyvars, movlilis cqera da gamoyeneba gvsiamovnebs, saxlSi ar vgviT, Torem ucxoeTSi dagvili mogvwons. buneba yvelaze didi Terapiaa adamianisTvis. rac xdeba bunebis dacvasTan Tu klimatis cvlilebasTan dakavSirebiT, damafiqrebelia. TiToeuli adamiani unda zrunavdes imaze, rac mis irgvlivaa da mouaros misive keTildReobisTvis. es valdebulebad unda miviRoT.
– Tqven rom jadosnuri joxi an natvrisTvali gqondeT. . .
– pirveli, rasac gavakeTebdi, erTi adamiani rom laparakobs, meoresTvis gasagebs gavxdidi. SeiZleba ar daTanxmebuliyo, magram gaego da konsensusisTvis mieRwiaT.. avadmyofobas, siRaribes, tkivils, oms gavauqmebdi. danarCeni, albaT, unda iyos, Torem uazrod davrCebiT. aseve ar Sevexebodi sikvdil-sicocxlis Temas, ubralod, mSobels ar movuklavdi Svils.
– baTumi bevrisTvis zRva da plaJia, bevrisTvis – turistuli qalaqi. Tqveni gadasaxedidan, ras etyodiT baTumelebs?
– baTumis mniSvnelobas samSoblosTvis axla ar ganvmartav. aq wlebis winaT vcxovrobdi da vxarobdi xelovnebiT. baTumSi axla Cemi dediko cxovrobs, aseve, didi sanaTesao, samegobro. . . baTumis peizaJs Cemi arfis glisando Cems nacvlad elamuneba. diax, aWaris simfoniur orkestrSi Cemi instrumenti, Cemi arfa `muSaobs~. wlebis win saxls vkargavdi TbilisSi. yvelaferi gavyide, rom dabruneba SemZleboda. mainc ver movagrove sakmarisi Tanxa. ar mindoda Cemi sulis im nawils Sevxebodi, romelmac udidesi roli iTamaSa Cems profesiul cxovrebaSi. masze dawerili leqsiT msoflios erT-erT saukeTeso poetad maRiares, rogorc Semsrulebeli, saerTaSoriso konkursis laureati gavxdi da, roca materialurad gamiWirda, TiTqos miTxra, isev me davdgebi Sen gverdiT da. . . wamovida baTumSi (arada, `me rom movkvdebi, nu waxval sxvagan, Cems Tavs gaficeb~ – ase mTavrdeba Cemi `arfisadmi~ miZRvnili ukve msofliosTvis gagonili sulieri leqsi da naxeT, ra moxda? adamianiviT damidga gverdiT. filmi `adamiani orkestri, xom gaxsovT. . . mgoni, Cveni siyvarulia iqac!). maSin orkestrs swored rom instrumenti sWirdeboda. male koncerti unda hqonodaT. koncertis Semdeg davureke maestro daviT muqerias da vkiTxe, Cemma `gogom~ xom ar gagabrazaT-Tqo… ai, ase, dResac suls vuberav baTums Cemi dedikoTi da hangebiT!
ras Sevadaro Seni Cumi
moalerseba,
idumal ferTa harmonia, darTa
liclici.
Sens siyvarulSi nuravin nu
damesesxeba,
me Senze Tbili sxva qalaqi
marTlac ar vici!
quCebs dahyveba ZuZus rZe da
Cvilis perangi,
Citis guliviT pawawinav, Senze
vRondebi,
da Tu zuriko abulaZe ar
Semecila,
Senze locvaSi daviRlebi da
gavkotrdebi.
mohyveba Rames peizaJi vardSi
asvrili.
mSvidia talRa, angelozma
waiRo sevda.
mohyva Tolias siyvaruli
andamaturi,
da nakurTxevi frTis bumbuli –
mSvidoba Senda!
(zuriko abulaZe quTaiseli koloritia, baTumis siyvarulSi vejibrebodiT erTmaneTs).
