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Taiel Toduam internetsivrceSi gamoCenisTanave miipyro yuradReba, rogorc gansakuTrebuli poeturi sulis adamianma. misma leqsebma mkiTxvelebSi farTo gamoxmaureba hpova, Seaqes, gza dauloces cnobilma poetebma. niWieri poeti, upirveles yovlisa, gansxvavebuli sulia, – am azrs mravali iziarebs da Taielis leqsebic am WeSmaritebas adasturebs. igi Tavisi farTo TvalsawieriTac ipyrobs yuradRebas. moazrovne, inteleqtualuri, erudirebuli axalgazrdis sulieri portreti uTuod migizidavT da dagainteresebT, roca mis am intervius gaecnobiT. gvesaubreba Taiel Todua
– vin aris Taiel Todua, rogor aRiqvamT sakuTar Tavs?
– wlebis win, am kiTxvaze, albaT, aTasnairad vupasuxebdi. . . droTa ganmavlobaSi, sxvadasxvagvarad aRviqvamdi sakuTar Tavs. axla vfiqrob, rom Taiel Todua erTi ubralo adamiania, romelsac mxolod leqsebi aqvs braliani. Cveulebrivi adamiani var, adamianuri sisusteebiT. bevri ram ar gamovida ise, rogorc mindoda. hoda, vijeqi da vwerdi. sul imas vcdilobdi, yvelaferi ise gamekeTebina, rom wlebis mere ar menana, Tumca mainc bevr rames vnanob.
– CrdilSi yofna giyvarT, es Tavmdablobaa Tu Ziebis procesSi xarT da lamobT sakuTari Tavi Rrmad SeicnoT?
– garkveulwilad, erTic da meorec. Ziebis procesi ki, savaraudod, arc arasdros damTavrdeba an Tu damTavrdeba es iqneba Cemi bolo. albaT RmerTma Caifiqra ase, amitomac varT adamianebi yvelaze rTuli arsebebi. es Zalian momwons, radgan sxvagvarad werac ar iqneboda saintereso. umetesac siCumes virCev, vfiqrob, Secdomebis daSvebis meSinia. meSinia vinmes ar vawyenino, zogjer isec xdeba, rom Cemi siCume xdeba wyenis mizezi. amitomac, yvelaze xSirad uTqmel sityvebsa da gamouxatav emociebs vnanob. amitomac vwer.
– sainteresoa Tqveni gverdi feisbuqze, drodadro cnobili poetebis leqsebs gvTavazobT. . .
– vaqveyneb imas, rac im konkretul momentSi Cems Sinagan mdgomareobas gamoxatavs. vcdilob, nebismieri leqsi iyos saintereso, raTa mkiTxvelsac moewonos. Tu leqsi arafris momcemia da misi wakiTxvis Semdeg mkiTxveli odnav mainc ar dafiqrdeba, sjobs, arc gamoqveyndes. leqss unda mohqondes emocia da unda ikiTxebodes minimum ornairad, raTa mkiTxvelic da gadamkiTxvelic kmayofili darCes. leqss, minimum, erTi raRac mainc unda hqondes, rac mkiTxvels daamaxsovrdeba, daafiqrebs, ukeTess gaxdis.
– roca Tqvens leqsebs aqveynebT da iwoneben, rogor reagirebT amaze?
– es faqti maxarebs, magram is ufro metad, roca Cems saTqmels zustad wvdebian. samwuxarod, xSiria gadamkiTxveli, leqsi maTTvisac unda iwerebodes, magram roca namdvili mkiTxveli Sens leqss sworad afasebs, wvdeba mis Sinaars – Zalian bednieri var da maSin vxvdebi, rom wera unda gavagrZelo. iyo periodi, roca kritikis meSinoda, magram axla minda, rom jansaRi kritika movismino. . . amitomac, zogjer iseT leqsebsac vaqveyneb, romlebic kritikas imsaxureben. Tumca, kritika mainc ar Cans da es ar momwons. ar SeiZleba yvelaferi mogwondes, yvelaferi kargi iyos. erTi periodi werac mivatove, radgan sakuTar Tavs Zalian kritikulad vudgebodi. TiTqmis araferi momwonda, rasac vwerdi. mere aseTi ramdenime leqsic gamovaqveyne da xalxs Zalian moewona, maSin ufro mivxvdi, rom ase ar SeiZleba. poeti ver gaizrdeba, Tu mis yvela leqss saqebari sityvebiT Seamkoben. igive darCeba, rac iyo. mxolod me ar vwer, Zalian bevri wers, arian iseTebic, romlebic gaukritikeblobis gamo, verasdros gaxdebian normaluri poetebic ki. . . sakuTari leqsebis gamorCeva ar miyvars, verc gamovarCev. maqvs cudi leqsebi, magram rac momwons, momwons da imaTSi arCevans ver vakeTeb, yvelas Tavisi istoria aqvs da Tu am istoriis garda, raime Rirebulebac gaaCnia, miT umetes. . .
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xom ici, Zvirfaso, samiwe var,
dro aris Zalian mrisxane.
rac iyo – nel-nela maviwydeba,
rac ara – TandaTan vixseneb.
Zvirfaso, sevdebi
mravldebian,
sevdebi nayofebs isxamen.
gulSi maqvs me Cemi pandemia,
amqveynad yvelaze mrisxane.
waval da leqsebic ar
damrCeba,
am leqsebs vinme sxva miiwers.
miwia uRmerTo ganaCenma
da mainc RmerTisken miviwev.
Cemi samoTxidan gamaZeves,
roca gavagrZele ocneba.
waval da sicocxles
gavagrZeleb,
waval da sikvdili morCeba.
– Tavad CvenSia okeane, Cveni SesaZleblobebi usazRvroa. amis gasacnobiereblad da warmatebisTvis Tqvens mier gadadgmuli nabijebi. . .
– nu daisaxav patara miznebs. nabijebi unda iyos patara da ara miznebi. mTavaria, ar gaCerde da akeTo Seni maqsimumi. nebismieri rame da nebismieri vinme SeiZleba gamodges maswavleblad. Tu rame ar gamomdioda, vuyurebdi imas, visac es gamouvida. xSirad Cemze bevrad patarasTanac mivsulvar kiTxviT – amas rogor akeTeb? SeiZleba raRac ar gamogivides, magram mTavaria ar danebde. miyvars es fraza `gamarjvebuli is aris, vinc damarcxda da kidev erTxel scada~, kidev erTxel, kidev erTxel da. . . bolos yvelaferi gamova, Tu ar gamova, isic ar iqneba problema, sakuTar TavTan marTali mainc iqnebi, radgan Sen is gaakeTe, rac SegeZlo. CemTvis mTavaria sakuTar TavTan viyo marTali, sxvanairad ver viZineb (xSirad arc miZinia amis gamo).
– diliT, roca geRviZebaT da bunebas gascqeriT. . .
– madlobeli var. madlobas vuxdi RmerTs imisTvis, rom kidev erTi Sansi momca Cemi Secdomebis gamosworebisTvis, rame kargis gakeTebisTvis, viRacis gaxarebisTvis, axali SecdomebisTvis, romelsac gamocdilebad vaqcev (Tu Secdomam araferi gaswavla, maSin azri aRar aqvs cxovrebas. raRacas arasworad akeTeb).
– sityvebi, romlebsac sakuTari Tavis kodad aRiqvamT. . .
– esec gaivlis. madloba RmerTs imisTvis, rom sakuTari codvebis gamosyidvis SesaZleblobas dedamiwazeve maZlevs.
– bunebis yvelaze didi saswauli, romelic gafiqrebT. . .
– Zalian bevria aseTi. magram yvelaze didi saswauli mainc adamiani mgonia.
– qarTvelebma, Cveni identobis SesanarCuneblad, upirvelesad raze unda vizrunoT?
– Cveni yvelaze didi problema is aris, rom Zalian bevri siaxlea. am siaxleebis gadaxarSva ver xerxdeba, Zalian didi moculobis aris da dafiqrebis gareSe morgeba gviwevs. ver viazrebT, gvWirdeba Tu ara es, rame zianis momtania Tu ara CvenTvis. Cveni identobis SesanarCuneblad unda vizrunoT imaze, rom axalgazrda Taobam sworad miiRos ganaTleba. pirvel rigSi, saWirosa da usargeblos garCeva unda iswavlon. amisTvis ki aucilebelia iman aswavlos, vinc es icis. . . Cveni identobis gadarCenis gza momaval Taobebze gadis. Cven es varT, rac varT, ver SevicvlebiT da Tu ase gagrZelda, cudad davamTavrebT.
– fantazia da iluzia Tqvens cxovrebaSi, rogor marTavT sakuTar Tavs?
– `Cven ar varsebobT, Cven erTmaneTi gamovigoneT. . .~ – roca es davwere, amaSi sruliad darwmunebuli viyavi. axla vfiqrob, rom yvelaferi realuria, im SemTxvevaSic ki, Tu CavTvliT, rom es yvelaferi Cveni fantaziis nayofia. realuria Cveni grZnobebi – es sruliad sakmarisia CemTvis.
– Tvalsawieris gafarToebisaTvis yvelaze saukeTeso saSualebad ras miiCnevT sakuTar magaliTze dayrdnobiT. . .
– pirvel rigSi, kiTxvas da axlis Ziebas, ar aqvs mniSvneloba, es ra iqneba. mTavaria adamians swyurodes es. Semdeg ki unda dajde da sakuTari Tavis Seswavlas Seudge. SeiZleba aTasobiT wigni waikiTxo, ramdenime universiteti daamTavro, magram Tu sakuTari Tavis Secnoba ar dagiwyia, CaTvale, arafrisTvis giswavlia. unda icode, ratom akeTeb imas, rasac akeTeb. ra gibiZgebs amisken. sad mTavrdeba cxoveli da iwyeba adamiani.
– wignebi, romelTac ubrundebiT da ratom?
– aseTi Zalian bevri wignia, madloba RmerTs. Tu wignis Tavidan wakiTxvis survili ar giCndeba, is wigni Sors aris srulyofilebisgan. Tavidan imitom vubrundebodi, rom menatreboda is emocia, rac ama Tu im wignis pirvelad wakiTxvis dros dameufla. mere mivxvdi, rom is emocia unikaluria. meored igives gancda praqtikulad, warmoudgenelia. axla ki wignebs imitom vubrundebi, rom veZeb raRac axals, rac pirveli wakiTxvis dros gamomrCa. ZiriTadad, Zalian bevri siaxle mxvdeba, radgan iseT niuansebs vakvirdebi, romelzec pirvelad wakiTxvis dros ar gamimaxvilebia yuradReba.
– xelovnuri inteleqti TandaTan mkvidrdeba. cifrul realobaSi Tavs rogor grZnobT?
– es gardauvali movlenaa. Zalian male radikalurad Seicvleba yvelaferi da vinc mxars ar aubams, is ubralod, daikargeba. Cveni, adamianebis erT-erTi mTavari unari adaptaciaa. amitomac vfiqrob, rom amasac SeveCveviT. xelovnur inteleqts ver eqneba empaTiis unari da iqneb aman mainc uSvelos kacobriobas, iqneb amis Semdeg mainc ufro gavugoT erTmaneTs. . .
– Tqveni umTavresi saTqmeli, romelsac momavalSi gaaxmianebT.
– mniSvnelovania ara is, Tu ras gavakeTebT, aramed is, Tu ratom gavakeTebT (mniSvnelovania is, Tu ras vigrZnobT Cven da ras igrZnoben is adamianebi, romlisTvisac amas gavakeTebT). xSirad gauazreblad gakeTebuli sikeTec ar momwons. yvelafers Tavisi mizezi unda hqondes da Sedegi met-naklebad winaswarve prognozirebadi unda iyos. yvelafers winaswar ver gavTvliT, magram is mainc unda vicodeT, ratom gvsurs amis gakeTeba da ratom aris saWiro es.
