,,უნდა ვიზრუნოთ, რომ ახალი მსოფლიო წესრიგის დროს დასავლეთის ბანაკში აღმოვჩნდეთ”
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mmarTveli partia qveynis aRmSeneblobasa da stabilurobis SenarCunebaze amaxvilebs yuradRebas, opozicias ki antisaxelmwifoebriv qmedebebSi sdebs brals. opoziciuri speqtri xelisuflebas sayvedurobs polarizebuli garemosa da arasaxarbielo ekonomikuri mdgomareobis gamo
udavoa, rom rac ufro moaxlovdeba arCevnebi, miT ufro daiZabeba situacia qveyanaSi. urTierTdapirispireba da siZulvili qarTuli politikisTvis damaxasiaTebelia. rogoria saqarTvelos ekonomikuri da politikuri viTareba? ra gamowvevebis winaSe vdgavarT? ra pretenzia aqvs opozicias xelisuflebis mimarT? – am da sxva aqtualur sakiTxebze vesaubrebiT `lelo saqarTvelosTvis~ aWaris organizaciis erT-erT lider geno TebiZes.
– qveyanaSi mniSvnelovani procesebi viTardeba, TqvenTvis ra sakiTxebia aqtualuri?
– es kvira, garkveulwilad, daxunZluli iyo arasaxarbielo TemebiT. samwuxarod, angariSi, romelic premier-ministrma parlamentSi waradgina, kiTxvebs badebs… is damokidebuleba, romelic gamoamJRavna premierma opoziciisa da axalgazrdebisadmi, SemaSfoTebelia demokratiuli qveynis mSeneblobis procesSi. imasac davsZen, rom premier-ministr RaribaSvils valdebuleba aqvs – maqsimalurad daxvewili, konstruqciuli saubari awarmoos mosaxleobasTan da maT Soris opoziciasTan.
– xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebi acxadeben, rom xSirad saubroben mosaxleobasTan opoziciisgan gansxvavebiT…
– isini bevr rames amboben, Tumca maTi sityva da saqme erTmaneTs scildeba. yvelani kargad vxedavT, rogor cdilobs xelisufleba polarizaciis gaRrmavebas, arasaxarbielo ekonomikuri mdgomareoba rom aris, sakamaTo araa. vakritikebT ara mxolod Cven – opozicia da mesame seqtori, aramed Cveni dasavleli partniorebic. mxedvelobaSi maqvs evropa da amerikis SeerTebuli Statebi. damokidebuleba, rac dasavleli partniorebisa da ukrainisadmi gaJRerda, iyo miuRebeli. vfiqrob, rom aseTi damokidebuleba ver Seqmnis iseT saxelmwifos, romlis mSeneblobisken miiswrafvis saqarTvelos mosaxleoba. cudia is, rom 11 wlis ganmavlobaSi ver moaxerxes problemebis gadaWra, arc cnobili 12 punqtis Sesrulebas apireben.
– Tqven uaryofiTad SeafaseT premieris gamosvla parlamentSi, Tumca mmarTveli partia acxadebs, rom qveyana viTardeba da opozicia destruqciuli qmedebiTaa dakavebuli.
– samwuxarod, xelisufleba, ZiriTadad, opoziciis da Cveni dasavleli partniorebis kritikiTaa dakavebuli. is, rom omi aravis unda – es misaRebi da gasagebia. romel WkuaTmyofels unda omi? magram dRes Cven vxedavT sxva process: ekonomikaze aqvs gaTvla gakeTebuli Cvens xelisuflebas, magram ris xarjze xdeba am ekonomikis warmarTva? amiT xom ar vaZlierebT ruseTs, romelic Riad acxadebs, rom gaarRvia ekonomikuri sanqciebi? SemTxveviT saqarTvelos xarjze xom ar gaarRvies es ekonomikuri sanqciebi? garda amisa, Cven valdebuleba gvaqvs, rom gavxdeT evrokavSiris wevri, amisTvis mniSvnelovania, moTxovnebi, romlebsac evrokavSiri saqarTvelos uyenebs, etapobrivad Sesruldes. albaT, akvirdebiT, rom mmarTvel partias romelic sWirdeba, im sakanonmdeblo cvlilebebs elvis siswrafiT axorcielebs, xolo Tu qarTvel xalxs sWirdeba, maSin Wianurdeba. saubaria 12 evropuli rekomendaciis Sesrulebaze.
– premier-ministrma RaribaSvilma briuselSi ganacxada, rom qveyana zedmiwevniT asrulebs 12 punqts. . .
– `fici mwams, bolo makvirvebs~ – es swored Cvens xelisuflebazea naTqvami. ratomaa, rom maTi favoriti prezidenti zurabiSvili xelisuflebas daupirispirda sxvadasxva sakiTxSi da iRebs swor gadawyvetilebas qarTuli saxelmwifos momavlisTvis? aviRoT Tundac nika gvaramias Sewyaleba.
– swored amaze minda gkiTxoT: prezidentma gvaramia Seiwyala, eqspertebi acxadeben, rom prezidentis zemoaRniSnuli gadawyvetileba kandidatis statusis misaRebad da depolarizaciis aRmofxvrisken gadadgmuli qmediTi nabijia. ras fiqrobT?
– prezidenti ver gansazRvravs saxelmwifos nebas, iqidan gamomdinare, rom mas aqvs SezRuduli uflebamosileba, anu prezidenti ar aris pirveli piri saxelmwifoSi, pirveli piri premieria, amitom man unda Seasrulos is moTxovnebi, rac depolarizaciis aRmofxvrisTvis aucilebelia, rasac, sxvaTa Soris, moiTxoven dasavleli partniorebi, amas moiTxovs Cveni partiac da, zogadad, prodasavluri partiebic.
– gverds ver avuvliT yofili prezidentis Temas, amaswinaT sasamarTloSi saakaSvilis gamoCenam dasavleli politikosebis SeSfoTeba gamoiwvia.
– `lelo~ TavSive iTxovda, rom gadavadebuliyo sasjeli da yofili prezidenti saakaSvili samkurnalod evropaSi gaeSvaT. Cven am poziciaze varT. qveynis interesebidan gamomdinare, xelisufleba valdebulia, saakaSvils humanurad moeqces, unda gadauvaddes sasjeli, SemdgomSi sasamarTlom unda gadawyvitos, ramdenad sworia braldebebi.
– sxvaTa Soris, irakli kobaxiZem saakaSvilTan dakavSirebiT aRniSna, rom `rac vnaxeT, es iyo kuWis operaciis reklama~. . .
– kobaxiZe cnobilia Tavisi cinizmiT da es damokidebuleba zustad asaxavs mmarTveli gundis damokidebulebas opoziciis mimarT, rac yvelaze metad miuRebelia. msjavrdebulsac unda moeqce humanurad. dRes msoflio gvakvirdeba, rogor veqceviT adamians, romelsac aqvs erTi moTxovna – mieces sazRvargareT mkurnalobis SesaZlebloba.
– amas winaT `edison riCersma~ morigi kvlevis Sedegebi gamoaqveyna: mmarTvel gunds mosaxleobis 37 procenti uWers mxars, `nacmoZraobas~ – 25, gaxarias partias da `lelos~ – 6-6. ramdenad realuria msgavsi gamokiTxvebi?
– vendobiT iqidan gamomdinare, rom es organizaciebi Tavis saqmes akeTeben, magram es ar asaxavs im realobas, romelic SesaZloa arCevnebze dadges. Cven vmuSaobT da aucileblad gadavlaxavT saarCevno bariers, SevalT parlamentSi, aseve – aWaris umaRles sabWoSic.
– Tqveni partiis liderma ganacxada, rom yvela prodasavluri partia unda gaerTiandes, oRond `nacmoZraobis~ gareSe.
– Cven varT damoukidebeli partia, ar mivekuTvnebiT romelime politikur Zalas, gvaqvs Cveni programa, gvyavs liderebi, gvaqvs qveynis ganviTarebis gegma. migvaCnia, rom saqarTvelosTvis umniSvnelovanesia evrokavSirsa da natoSi gaerTianeba. rac mTavaria, Cveni mosaxleobis keTildReobas umTavres amocanad vTvliT. saerTod, yvelas hyavs Tavisi eleqtorati, maT Soris `nacmoZraobasac~. Cven valdebuli varT, im eleqtoratze vimuSaoT, romelsac arc `nacmoZraoba~ da arc `qarTuli ocneba~ unda. ra Tqma unda, viTanamSromlebT yvela prodasavlur ZalasTan. TiToeulma opoziciurma Zalam rom Tavis eleqtoratze imuSaos, darwmunebuli var, mmarTvel gunds arCevnebSi davamarcxebT.
– xSirad saubroben mesame centris Seqmnis aucileblobaze. Tqvens partis ramdenad SeuZlia mesame Zalad Camoyalibeba?
– Cveni partiis liderebs amis Rrma rwmena rom ar hqondeT, darwmunebuli var, partias ar Seqmnidnen. `lelos~ SeuZlia mniSvnelovani Sedegis Cveneba arCevnebSi. jerjerobiT konkurencias ver gavuwevT mmarTvel partiasa da `nacmoZraobas~, Tumca xelisuflebaSi yofnis (vgulisxmob koaliciur mTavrobas) saSualeba rom mogvecema da rodesac xalxi dainaxavs, ramdeni kargi saqme gaakeTa `lelom~, darwmunebuli var, Cveni partiis reitingi mniSvnelovnad gaizrdeba. yvelam kargad icis, rom saqarTveloSi `lelo~ mesame politikuri Zalaa, zogierTebma rac unda ironiulad gaiRimon.
– ra gaZlevT amis Tqmis safuZvels?
– upirvelesad, Cveni partiis adamianuri resursi, liderebis farTo diapazoni da ganswavluloba, qveynis ganviTarebis mwyobri programa, parlamentSi aqtiuroba da iniciativebi, romlebsac `lelo~ axorcielebs mcire ZaliT, vgulisxmob walenjixis magaliTs, sadac mkafiod Cans, ra SeuZlia Cvens partias.
– opozicia xSirad acxadebs, rom momaval arCevnebSi Camoayalibebs koaliciur mTavrobas. Tqveni partia iTanamSromlebs gaxarias partiasa da `nacmoZraobasTan~?
– Cven vimoqmedebT mxolod da mxolod saqarTvelos sakeTildReod. `lelos~ qveynis sazianod arasodes araferi gaukeTebia. vimoqmedebT erTaderTi principiT – mosaxleobis keTildReoba, saqarTvelos nacionaluri interesebis dacva da ase iqneba mudmivad.
– saparlamento da adgilobrivma arCevnebma cxadyo, rom arCevnebSi mosaxleobis daaxloebiT 50 procenti monawileobs. ras akeTebs Tqveni partia pasiuri amomrCevlis arCevnebze misazidad?
– Cveni partiis wevrebi dafuZnebis dRidan vcdilobT sazogadoebis darwmunebas, rom Tu demokratiuli saxelmwifos Seqmna, ekonomikuri da politikuri krizisidan Tavis daRweva gvsurs, pirveli nabiji arCevnebze misvla da arCevanis gakeTebaa. sxvaTa Soris, mesame centris Seqmna zustad imazea gaTvlili, rom es 50 procenti davainteresoT, miiRos arCevnebSi monawileoba. amomrCevels unda avuxsnaT, rom mis xmas gadamwyveti mniSvneloba aqvs, unda avumaRloT TviTSegneba.
– sagareo sakiTxsac SevexoT, miT ufro, rom Tqveni partiis liderebi xSirad dadian ukrainaSi. rogori iqneba saerTaSoriso wesrigi ukrainis omis Semdeg?
– yvelani vxedavT, ramdenad rTul situaciaSia dRes msoflio ukrainaSi mimdinare omis gamo. Cveni partia maqsimalurad uWers mxars ukrainas. saqarTveloSi `lelo saqarTvelosTvis~ erTaderTi politikuri Zalaa, romlis liderebi mamuka xazaraZe da badri jafariZe ukrainis saelCom ordenebiT daajildova. Cveni partia omis pirvelive dRidan CarTulia am procesSi da vexmarebiT, rogorc SegviZlia, ukrainel xalxs. ase gagrZeldeba, sanam ukraina sabolood gaimarjvebs. es qveyana lokomotivia, romelic sWirdeba saqarTvelos. mesmis, rTuli situacia SiSs iwvevs, Tumca ar mesmis Cveni xelisuflebis loialoba ruseTis mimarT. axla ufro aqtiurebi unda viyoT, unda vizrunoT, rom axali msoflio wesrigis dros dasavleTis banakSi aRmovCndeT da ara – rusul WaobSi. Tu ar exmarebi ukrainas, xeli mainc ar unda SeuSalo.
– mmarTveli partiis wevrebi acxadeben, rom saqarTvelo SeZlebisdagvarad exmareba ukrainas. . .
– Cveni xelisufleba sanqciebs ar uerTdeba, gamudmebiT lanZRaven omSi myofi qveynis xelisuflebas. garda amisa, Tbilisis merma rusuli warmoebis `kamazi~ iyida xuT milion dolarad. es SemTxveviT agresori qveynis ekonomikas xom ar xmardeba? am kiTxvas svamen ara marto politikosebi, aramed eqspertebic. es aris CvenTvis problema da mis aRmosafxvrelad aucilebelia, ufro gonivruli nabijebi gadavdgaT. darwmunebuli var, arCevnebis Semdeg bevri ram sasikeTod Seicvleba. imedis momcemia, rom saqarTvelos mosaxleobas surs realuri demokratia, ekonomikuri keTildReoba, samarTliani saxelmwifo da evroatlantikur struqturebSi gaerTianeba.
