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mariam WankuriZe bsu-is warmatebuli studentia, romelmac wels gamarTul studentTa samecniero konferenciaze sakuTari naSromiT profesor-maswavlebelTa yuradReba miipyro. mas pirveli adgili miakuTvnes da, rogorc istoriis momaval mkvlevars, arCeuli gzis erTguleba urCies
aRsaniSnavia, rom am Sromismoyvare da motivirebulma axalgazrdam turizmis gacvliT programaSi miiRo monawileoba, gaimarjva da amJamad germaniaSi eufleba programiT gaTvaliswinebul Teoriul codnasa da praqtikul unar-Cvevebs.
– ram ganapiroba Tqveni arCevani – istoriis Seswavla?
– pirvel rigSi, minda vTqva, rom Zalian rTulia 18 wlis asakSi msgavsi gadawyvetilebis miReba, Tumca, miuxedavad amisa, CemTvis saintereso profesia avirCie. istoriisadmi interesi saqarTvelos warsulma ganapiroba. msurs, ufro siRrmiseulad gavecno rogorc Cemi qveynis, aseve evropis qveynebis axal da uaxles istorias.
– germaniaSi gacvliTi programis farglebSi swavlobT. . .
– diax, germaniaSi turizmis gacvliTi programis wyalobiT vimyofebi. ZiriTad specialobasTan erTad, vswavlob damatebiT programas – turizms. swored fakultetis mier gamocxadebuli gacvliTi programis farglebSi momeca SesaZlebloba, 60 studentSi erT-erTi kandidati mec vyofiliyavi. es programa miznad isaxavs studentebisTvis sastumro industriis ukeT gacnobas, Teoriul codnasTan erTad, praqtikuli unar-Cvevebis gamomuSavebas. warmatebas, upirveles yovlisa, inglisuri enis codniT mivaRwie. testirebis gavlis Semdeg gamovlinda gamarjvebuli studenti. msgavs gacvliT programaSi monawileobisas umTavresia ucxo enis/enebis codna. Cemi mTavari sazrunavia turizmis industriis ukeT Seswavla, germanuli kulturis gacnoba.
– rogorc bsu-is studentTa samecniero konferenciis gamarjvebuls, pirveli adgilis mflobels, ra SegiZliaT gviTxraT konferenciasa da Tqven mier wardgenil Temaze?
– Cemi azriT, msgavs konferenciebSi monawileoba yvela studentisTvis mniSvnelovania. me Tavad didi gamocdileba miviRe. vTvli, rom amiT kidev erTi nabiji gadavdgi warmatebisken. konferenciam momca sakuTari SesaZleblobebis gamovlenis rogorc pirovnuli, ise profesiuli unar-Cvevebis gaumjobesebis saSualeba. Cemi sakvlevi Tema exeboda brZolas saxelmwifoebrivi damoukideblobis aRsadgenad me-20 saukunis 80-iani wlebis bolos da 90-iani wlebis dasawyisSi. saqarTvelos istoriis es periodi gamoirCeoda erovnul-ganmaTavisuflebeli moZraobis aRmavlobiT. naSromSi, ZiriTadad, yuradReba gamaxvilebuli maqvs qveynis SigniT mimdinare arasaxarbielo movlenebze. vfiqrob, swored aRniSnuli faqtori xdis saqarTvelos istorias metad sainteresos, is, rom aseT rTul viTarebaSi SevZeliT damoukideblobis aRdgena. garda qveynis SigniT arsebuli situaciisa, ganvixile sabWoTa kavSiris politika saqarTvelosTan mimarTebiT, separatizmis problema da is ZiriTadi meTodebi, romlebsac sabWoTa kavSiris xelisufleba iyenebda saqarTvelos winaaRmdeg. mniSvnelovani aspeqtebi iyo is, rom naSromSi warmovadgine am periodis saqarTvelo, yuradReba gavamaxvile me-20 saukunis bolo wlebSi mimdinare cvlilebebsa Tu siaxleebze. zogadad, gansakuTrebiT sayuradReboa me-20 saukunis meore naxevris saqarTvelos istoria. dRevandelobidan gamomdinare, rusuli agresia ar kargavs Tavis aqtualobas. amitomac saWirod CavTvale am naSromis konferenciaze wardgena. swored aRniSnulma faqtorma ganapiroba Cemi interesi am Temisadmi. diax, vswavlob warsuls momavlisTvis, Rrmad mwams, rom warsulis kvleva da Sefaseba, upirvelesad, qveynis momavals ganapirobebs. saqarTvelos istoriis seqciaSi komisiis yvela wevri 1989 wlis aprilSi momxdari movlenebis momswrea. amitomac maTTvis metad sayuradRebo da saintereso iyo aRniSnul Temaze saubari. naSromis wardgenisas xSirad im faqtebze amaxvilebdnen yuradRebas, romelTa monawilenic Tavad iyvnen komisiis wevrebi. dasasrul, ZiriTadi aqcenti gakeTda separatizmis problemasa da am sisxliani tragediis gamomwvev mizezebze, ramac sabolood damoukidebeloba mogvapovebina. aucileblad gaviTvaliswineb profesorebis rCevas da gavagrZeleb naSromze muSaobas.
– 80-iani wlebis dasawyisi – periodi, romelic istoriis udides Suq-Crdilebs moicavs, rogorc axali etapis dasawyisi qveynis cxovrebaSi – aseTi gaazreba ramdenad misaRebia da zusti?
– me-20 saukunis 80-iani wlebis bolo da 90-iani wlebis dasawyisi saqarTvelos istoriaSi gamoirCeva erovnul-ganmaTavisuflebeli moZraobis aRmavlobiT. xazgasasmeli da dasafasebelia, rom sanatreli damoukidebloba Tavganwiruli brZolis Sedegad movipoveT. vfiqrob, Cveni qveynis istoriaSi aRniSnuli epoqa aris axali etapis – damoukideblobis miRebis dasawyisi, ramac, sabolood, dRevandel dRemde mogviyvana.
– roca erovnuli moZraobis aspeqtebs mimoixilavT, ra suraTi ikveTeba?
– naSromis dawerisas, roca yuradRebas erovnul moZraobaze vamaxvilebdi, davrwmundi, rom xalxis erTianobas udidesi Zala aqvs. davinaxe mosaxleobis miswrafeba Tavisuflebisken da mivxvdi: mTavari saerTo interesi da survilia, swored am garemoebam ganapiroba sanatreli damoukideblobis mopoveba.
– rom ara 1989 wlis 9 aprili. . . rogoria drois gadasaxedidan am movlenis arsi, mniSvneloba?
– rTulia am sakiTxze saubari. . . 9 aprili rom ara, Cemi azriT, qveynis damoukideblobis aRdgena gaWianurdeboda – 1989 wlis 9 aprilis tragediam daaCqara sabWoTa imperiis rRveva. mSvidobiani aqciis Zalis gamoyenebiT daSla ukve mianiSnebda borotebis imperiis realur saxeze. erovnulma Zalam SeZlo arsebuli viTarebis gamoyeneba. amaze migvaniSnebs jer 1990 wlis 28 oqtombris movlenebi, roca politikuri asparezi daatovebines komunistur partias da, aseve, 1991 wlis 31 martis referendumi, romlis safuZvelzec aRdga saqarTvelos saxelmwifoebrivi damoukidebloba. aRniSnulidan gamomdinare, Cven – qarTvelebs 9 aprilis tragedia mudmivad unda gvaxsenebdes, rom Tavisufleba adamianebis gmirobisa da sicocxlis fasad movipoveT, aseT Tavisuflebas ki meti gafrTxileba sWirdeba, Tanac, dRevandeli gadasaxedidan, yvelam ukeT unda gaviTavisoT am dRis mniSvneloba da gvaxsovdes, rogor movediT aqamde.
– erovnuli cnobierebis gamRviZeblebs – zviad gamsaxurdias da merab kostavas ramdenad icnobs axali Taoba, anu kiTxuloben Tu ara maT naSromebs saqarTvelos sulier misiaze? axla, cifrul periodSi, rogor warmogidgeniaT qarTvelisgan am misiis gaTaviseba?
– Cems TanatolebTan erTad xSirad ganvixilav zviad gamsaxurdiasa da merab kostavas damsaxurebas saqarTvelos damoukideblobisTvis brZolaSi. ra Tqma unda, isini yvelasTvis nacnobi istoriuli pirebi arian, axal TaobaSi – gansakuTrebiT, radgan Cven metad gvainteresebs, rogor SevZeliT iseT rTul viTarebaSi, rogoric iyo me-20 saukunis bolo saqarTveloSi, damoukideblobis mopoveba. gasuli saukunis erT-erTi yvelaze mniSvnelovani movlena swored esaa, amitomac SeuZlebelia, maSin ganviTarebuli movlenebis wamyvani adamianebi – zviad gamsaxurdia da merab kostava uyuradRebod davtovoT. Tanamedrove teqnologiebis wyalobiT, yvelas aqvs SesaZlebloba, saxlidan gausvlelad moiZios nebismieri informacia, maT Soris iseTic, romelic aRniSnul Temas exeba. dRevandeli viTarebidan gamomdinare, metad mniSvnelovania im misiis gaazreba, romelsac erovnul-ganmaTavisuflebeli moZraobis wamyvani liderebi qadagebdnen.
– saxelmwifo gadatrialeba ra daskvnis gamotanis SesaZleblobas iZleva? ramdenad piruTvnelia istoria?
– marTlac SeuZlebelia, winaswar ivaraudo, ra moxdeba momavalSi. marTalia, miviReT damoukidebloba, Tumca es droebiTi aRmoCnda. me-20 saukunis 90-iani wlebis dasawyisSi qveyanaSi urTulesi viTareba Seiqmna. brZolas, afxazebTan erTad, osi separatistebic agrZelebdnen, amavdroulad, daiwyo ekonomikuri krizisi, socialistur ekonomikaSi Rrmad integrirebuli respublika mzad ar aRmoCnda am dargSi siaxleebis danergvisTvis. . . viTareba daiZaba zviad gamsaxurdiasa da mis mowinaaRmdege radikalur dajgufebas Soris. yvela daZabulobas, rac ki arsebobda qveyanaSi, sabWoTa xelisufleba avtonomiur erTeulebSi mcxovrebi separatistebis wasaqezeblad iyenebda. am yvelaferma masStaburi saxe miiRo, ramac sabolood tragikul movlenamde migviyvana.
– roca istoriis samanebSi mogzaurob. . . dro, periodi, romelmac Secvala kacobriobis cxovreba. . .
– istoriis Seswavla, marTlac, erTi didi mogzaurobaa. yvelaze metad momwons am mogzaurobisas uamravi siaxlis gageba da axalmiRebuli codnis adrindelTan dakavSireba. siaxleebis Ziebis procesSi yuradRebas CemTvis saintereso movlenebze vamaxvileb. vcdilob, moviZio sxvadasxva avtoris mier Seqmnili saxelmZRvaneloebi da Temas sxvadasxva WrilSi gavecno. CemTvis sainteresoa avtorTa mosazrebebis gacnoba, gaazreba da bolos – daskvna.
– dro aCqarda, cvlilebebi planetaze da mzardi teqnikuri progresi axal realobas qmnis. istoria, rogorc mecniereba, am metamorfozaSi. . .
– Tanamedrove samyaroSi teqnologiebs wamyvani adgili uWiravs, vfiqrob, istoriac nel-nela viTardeba am cvlilebebTan erTad. modernizaciis etapis gavla albaT yvelaze mniSvnelovani iqneba am profesiisTvis, vinaidan istoriisTvisac saWiroa im siaxleebis danergva, romlebsac yoveldRiurad vxvdebiT.
– mas Semdeg, rac germaniaSi imyofebiT da akvirdebiT maTi cxovrebis wess, damokidebulebas swavlisa da Sromisadmi, mecnierebisadmi, kulturisadmi, urTierTobisadmi, ra SegiZliaT daaskvnaT, rogorebi arian da rogorebi varT?
– yoveldRe siaxleebis ZiebaSi var. am procesSi bevr rames vigeb rogorc germaniis, aseve germanelebis Sesaxeb. isini afaseben adamianebis Sromas da cdiloben, TiToeuli wami racionalurad gamoiyenon. Cven Soris gansxvaveba im RirebulebebSia, rac an gvaqvs, an – ara, aseve, maTdami gansxvavebul damokidebulebaSi.
