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luka gociriZe – bevri baTumeli siyvaruliT gaixsenebs kreatiul, TviTmyofad axalgazrdas, jer kidev moswavleobisas rom gamoirCeoda Tavisi niWierebiT da mizandasaxulobiT. amJamad luka sazRvargareT, floridaSi imyofeba. sakuTar Tavs mTxrobels, aqtivists da mklevars uwodebs, niu-iorkis StatSi B
s adamianis uflebebisa da xelovnebis magistria. am statuss misi saqmianoba amyarebs – muSaobda evropis sxvadasxva qveyanaSi, maT Soris bulgareTSi, avstriasa da ungreTSi cifruli mediiT Txrobisa da adamianis uflebebis saerTaSoriso samarTlis mimarTulebiT.
teqnologiuri ganviTareba sazogadoebis ganviTarebis winapirobad miaCnia. dRes igi am da sxva sakiTxebze sainteresod gvesaubreba.
– qalaqi, sadac Tqven cxovrobT, riT gamoirCeva?
– amJamad maiamiSi/floridaSi vimyofebi, romelic erT-erTi yvelaze gamorCeuli adgilia amerikaSi – teniani hava, tropikuli garemo, ra Tqma unda, Taviseburad aq mcxovreb adamianebzec aisaxeba. vfiqrob, xalxi aq ufro mSvidia, vidre niu-iorkSi, magaliTad. aqaur mcxovrebTa umetesoba emigrantebia – an emigrantTa STamomavlebi samxreT amerikidan, rac am adgils ufro sainteresos xdis piradad CemTvis.
– sazRvargareT cxovrebam nostalgia xom ar gagiCinaT samSoblos mimarT, yvelaze mniSvnelovani roli Tqvens miRwevebSi ram iTamaSa?
– nostalgia, jerjerobiT, didad ar gamomJRavnebula CemSi. ra Tqma unda, maqvs nostalgiuri sentimentebi… Tumca ara iseTi doziT, rom bargi Cavalago da ukan wamovide. yvelaze mniSvnelovani roli Cems miRwevebSi garemo faqtorebma, am faqtorebis Cemeulma aRqmam da Cem irgvliv myofma adamianebma iTamaSes.
– Tqveni maqauri cxovrebis mniSvnelovani ambebi gagvacaniT, swavlasa da SromiT saqmianobas rom exeba. . .
– amJamad niu-iorkis StatSi, B-Si, adamianis uflebebisa da xelovnebis magistri var. aq wamosvlamde vcxovrobdi, vswavlobdi da vmuSaobdi evropis sxvadasxva qveyanaSi, maT Soris bulgareTSi, avstriasa da ungreTSi, cifruli mediiT Txrobisa da adamianis uflebebis saerTaSoriso samarTlis mimarTulebiT, Tumca axla vcdilob es ori sfero – xelovneba da adamianis uflebebi – erTmaneTs davakavSiro, radgan mjera sazogadoebaze xelovnebis transformaciuli efeqtis moxdenisa. Cemi saqmianoba adre videografias, fotografias da audio TxrobiT formebs moicavda, Tumca aq Camosvlis Semdeg, Zalian damainteresa auditoriis rolma xelovnebaSi. arasdros momwonda auditoriisTvis mxolod mayureblis, pasiuri roli – muzeumebSi, koncertebze, galereebSi Tu nebismier sxva adgilas, sadac xelovnebis nimuSi aris warmodgenili. gansakuTrebiT, Tuki xelovnebis transformaciul efeqtze vsaubrobT, unda gaviTvaliswinoT, ra interaqcia aqvs uSualod auditorias ama Tu im xelovnebis nimuSTan. samwuxaro faqtia, rom xSir SemTxvevaSi, xelovanebi ar fiqroben maT auditoriaze da Sesabamisad, xelovanis mesiji ikargeba. Cemi bolo ori namuSevari swored auditoriaze da maT CarTulobaze iyo gaTvlili.
pirveli namuSevari, 
, romelic 2022 wlis dekemberSi gaimarTa, warmoadgenda Cum diskos, romelic auditoriam moismina da icekva musikaze, romelic homofobiis fsiqologiur gavlenaze Seiqmna. es musika Cems ZmasTan, zura gociriZesTan (jguf `babilonis~ damaarsebeli) TanamSromlobiT Seiqmna. musikas Tan axlda TxrobiTi nawili, romelmac is homofobiis Temas daakavSira da auditorias konteqsti misca. es interaqciuli namuSevari niu-iorkis StatSi, F
-Si warmovadgine, meore namuSevari am wlis maisSi B
saxelwodebiT. amave kolejis qarTveli studentebis, Cemi megobrebis da amave kolejis qarTuli polifoniuri gundis daxmarebiT niu-iorkis Statis erT-erTi soflis sastumros misaReb oTaxSi gavakeTe. gavSaleT qarTuli sufra, gvqonda qarTuli polifoniuri musika, Tumca sadRegrZeloebis Cveuli tradicia Sevcvale da visaubre sufris, rogorc ruseTis imperiis gavlenis sawinaaRmdego instrumentis mniSvnelobaze; Tumca, aseve, visaubre imaze, rogor miiRo sufram avtoritaruli forma, gansakuTrebiT qalebisTvis qarTul ojaxebSi.
– rogorc Sevityve, fotografiac gitacebT. . . vin da ra eqceva Tqveni obieqtivis arealSi da ra aris am dros arCevanis safuZveli?
– Cems obieqtivSi vcdilob, rom moeqces is, rac arameinstrimulia. ufro adamianebze fokusirebuli kadrebi xvdeba Cems obieqtivSi – adamianebi da garemo.
– gagvacaniT is qarTvelebi, vinc niu-iorkis cis qveS samSoblos warmoaCenen TavianTi saqmianobiT, visac Tavad icnobT da geimedebaT qveynisaTvis?
– rodesac saqarTveloSi ucxoeli agentebis kanonis miReba-ar miRebis sakiTxi dadga, ramdenime qarTvelma bardis kolejidan wamoviwyeT videokampania, rom sazRvargareT myofi qarTveli studentebis xma samSoblomde mogvewvdina. Cemda gasakvirad, uamravi axalgazrda gamogvexmaura da gadmogvigzavna mxardasaWeri videoebi. saocari adamianebi arian qveynis farglebs miRma, im azrovnebiT, romelic saqarTvelos sWirdeba, Tumca yvelam kargad icis, rom es azrovneba, enTuziazmi da RirebulebaTa sistema, jerjerobiT, meinstrimuli ver gaxdeba, odesRac iqneba, Tumca ara axla.
– samomavlod ras apirebT, realoba da perspeqtiva. . .
– Zalian minda seriozulad mivyo xeli kvlevaze dafuZnebul, auditoriasTan interaqciuli xelovnebis Seqmnas. Tumca qarTuli politikis ar iyos, xelovnebis WiSkarSi SeRwevis rigi Zalian didia da SerCevadi; xSir SemTxvevaSi, arasamarTlianad SerCevadi.
– Cvenebur da amerikul saganmanaTleblo sistemebs roca adarebT, ra daskvna gamogaqvT? ra aris is, ris danergvac aucilebelia Cvens saganmanaTleblo sistemaSi?
– ar vici, ra situaciaa saganmanaTleblo kuTxiT saqarTvelos umaRles saswavleblebSi, radgan samSobloSi ar damimTavrebia universiteti, Sesabamisad, veranair komentars ver gavakeTeb erTis garda – vici is, rom adamianis uflebebis Sesaxeb Zalian mwiri swavlebaa qarTul universitetebSi, romelic, ZiriTadad, efuZneba adamianis uflebebis samarTlebrivi safuZvlebis swavlebas, rac, ra Tqma unda, Zalian mniSvnelovania, Tumca aseve – limitirebuli. ar arsebobs adamianis uflebebis politikuri Teoriis swavleba, ris gamoc adamianis uflebebis aRqma izRudeba da mxolod kanonis kuTxiT moiazreba da kanoni igive xelisuflebis ganStoebaa. unda iyos saSualeba, rom adamianebma ifiqron, Seiswavlon da gaaanalizon, rogor SeiZleba adamianis uflebebis arealis gazrda. rac Seexeba skolas, aq uamravi ram maxsendeba. drois uazrod kargva mgonia leqsebis dazuTxvis praqtika. aseve, vTvli, rom raRac etapze, albaT me-8 – me-9 klasSi, roca moswavlem icis, ra sagnebi ainteresebs da ra ara, unda daiyos moswavleebi klasterebad da Seiswavlon is sagnebi, romlebic ainteresebT. vfiqrob, uazrod ixarjeba skolaSi gatarebuli dro. droSi, Cemi azriT, aucilebelia seqsualuri ganaTlebis SemoReba, finansuri ganaTleba da ase Semdeg, Tuki gvinda, rom realobas Tvali gavusworoT da raRac standartuli gamocdebis Casabareblad ki ar dadiodnen moswavleebi skolaSi, aramed praqtikuli da gamoyenebadi unar-Cvevebis da codnis SeswavlaSi xarjavdnen dros. Zalian acdenili varT realobas, Tumca es imas ar niSnavs, rom sazRvargareT uazrobebi ar iswavleba.
– rogor eqcevian amerikaSi bunebas, rogor gamoiyureba kerZo Tu sazogadoebrivi adgilebi?
– bunebrivia, ar arsebobs homogenuri sazogadoeba, romelic an Zalian kargad eqceva bunebas an Zalian cudad. yvelgan, saqarTveloSic da mis farglebs gareTac, arian adamianebi TavianTi moraliT bunebis mimarT. am bolo dros, piradad me, Zalian did kavSirs vgrZnob bunebasTan, cxovelebTan da vcdilob, es interaqcia bunebasTan gavaumjobeso.
– Tavisufali adamiani – amis upirobo gancdis safuZvels ra qmnis?
– adamianis Tavisuflebis SemzRudveli, umetes SemTxvevaSi, isev adamianebi arian, gansakuTrebiT savalaloa mdgomareoba, rodesac xelisufleba uwyobs xels adamianis Tavisuflebis SezRudvas – amas vxedavT dRes saqarTveloSi. magaliTad, lgbt Temis mimarT gamoxatuli qmedebebi adamianis Tavisuflebis SezRudvas gascda – es aris agresia, romelic damRupvelia xalxisTvis da saxelmwifosTvis.
– cifruli epoqis realoba da mis Sesabamisad gadawyoba arcTu advilia, Tqven ras gvirCevdiT?
– me cifruli epoqis momZlavrebis da ganviTarebis epoqis dasawyisSi davibade, Sesabamisad, CemTvis es Zalian organuli ram aris. teqnologiuri ganviTareba sazogadoebis ganviTrebis winapirobad mimaCnia, gaaCnia vin rogor iyenebs da aRiqvams am process. mTavaria, miviRoT cvlilebebi da ar gavuucxovdeT mas.
– dro aCqardao. . . dro da Tqven. . . dros rogor uwyobT fexs?
– progresulma da liberalurma ideebma wina planze wamoiwia bolo ramdenime wlis ganmavlobaSi. Seicvala warmodgenebi, maT Soris, adamianis uflebebis mimarTulebiT – is, rac adre tabudadebulad an ucxo movlenad migvaCnda, axla nel-nela misaRebi xdeba. adamianebi erTmaneTs viRebT iseTebad, rogorebic arian, vzrunavT garemoze da sxva cocxal arsebebze, daviwyeT saubari mentalur janmrTelobaze. bevri ramis gadafaseba xdeba, raRacebis – Tavidan Seswavla, es yvelaferi Zalian swrafad Semovida Cvens rutinaSi da adgils imkvidrebs. dros is uwyobs fexs, vinc cvlilebebs iRebs da ar ewinaaRmdegeba mas. ar unda gveSinodes cvlilebebis, komfortis zonidan gamosvla ar unda iyos saSiSi, is unda miviRoT, radgan cvlileba aris sakuTari Tavis da sazogadoebis ganviTarebis winapiroba.
– ucxoplaneteli rom iyoT da am planetaze mofrindeT, aqaurobis xilvisas ras ityodiT?
– vityodi, rom adamianebi saocari da silamazis moyvaruli arsebebi arian – uzarmazari niWiT da fantaziiT, Tumca aseve, uzarmazari siZulvilis matareblebi, rac Sinagan me-sTan daukavSireblobiT aris gamowveuli.
– Tqveni sulis sakvebi da mudmivi wyaro. . .
– Cemi sulis sakvebi aris adamianebTan saubari da maTi ambebis mosmena.
– dausviT sakuTar Tavs sasurveli SekiTxva da upasuxeT. . .
– Wama Tu seqsi? – Wama.
– rogor dagvemSvidobebiT, ras etyviT Cvens mkiTxvelebs?
– gavakeToT is, rac gvaSinebs; is, rac gulis siRrmeSi gvinda; is, rac SeiZleba sazogadoebisTvis miuRebeli iyos; viyoT sakuTari Tavi da ar viTamaSoT imis roli, romelic sxvas unda, rom CvenSi dainaxos.
