რა ასწავლა ეკატერინე ტოგონიძეს პირდაპირ ეთერში მუშაობამ?
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ekaterine togoniZem aWara, aq mcxovrebi adamianebi, kolegebi, saerTaSoriso literaturuli festivalis `ze-karTan~ saSualebiT gaicno. igi welsac am festivalis monawile iyo.
– qalbatono ekaterine, mwerloba pativicaa da pasuxismgeblobac. Tqvens realobaSi es rogor aisaxeba?
– mwerloba sxvadasxva droSi sxvadasxva mizans emsaxureba, magram yovelTvis adamianis samsaxurSia, xan ubralod arTobs mas, ganmuxtavs, drosa da sivrceSi amogzaurebs, xan – amSvidebs, tkivilebs uamebs da agrZnobinebs, rom marto ar aris. zogjer SeiZleba, mkiTxvels raime saidumloc ki amoaxsnevinos da swor gzaze daayenos. Cems cxovrebaSi yofila wignebi an Tundac erTi leqsi, moTxroba, romelsac mxneoba, Zala da magaliTi moucia. piradad me, werisas, winaswar mizans ar visaxav, magram erTi vici – Tu veravis davexmarebi, aravis unda vavno.
– avtori wers, magram mTavaria, sazogadoeba rogor miiRebs mas.
– sul bolos razec vmuSaobdi, es iyo moTxroba, romelic qarTul-afxazur krebulSi unda Sesuliyo. qarTveli da afxazi qali avtorebi sagangebod am anTologiisTvis vwerdiT teqstebs da vcdilobdiT, erTmaneTis azris gaTvaliswinebas, vfiqrobdiT imaze, Tu rogor aRiqvams qarTuli da afxazuri sazogadoeba Cvens nawers. vcdilobdiT, xelovnebas ekisra xidis funqcia da ara – isedac gaucxoebuli adamianebis kidev ufro daSorebis. arsebobs sakiTxebi, travmebi, Wrilobebi, romelsac frTxilad unda movepyroT, maTze saubari eTikis dacvas moiTxovs, rom `eniT dakodilis~ ambavi ar dagvemarTos isev.
– nawarmoebi, romelic mkiTxvelma da sazogadoebam dadebiTad SegifasaT?
– Cemi dakvirvebiT, mkiTxvelma gansakuTrebiT romani „Sin – Sen“ Seiyvara. gadawyda am wignis sxva enebze Targmnac. mixaria, rom is tkiviliani gamocdileba, romelic am wignSi Cavde, mivida adamianebis gulebamde da kargma dasasrulma bevrs mohgvara Sveba.
– wlevandel festivalze, safutkreTSi, monawileebs warudgineT piesa `eqvsi noes kidobani~. rogor gaCnda am nawarmoebis daweris idea?
– `eqvsi noes kidobani~ Cemi pirveli wignia, romelic mxatvrul-dokumenturi Janrisaa, mxolod anturaJia mxatvruli, rom istoriuli ambebi ufro ioli aRsaqmeli yofiliyo mkiTxvelisTvis da ara mosawyeni – mozardebisTvis. am wigniT mindoda ukeT gamecnobierebina is saamayo warsuli, romelic ar iswavleba. me piradad, skolidan Tu universitetidan, aranairi codna ar gamomyolia am oqros wlebis, saqarTvelos pirveli respulikis Sesaxeb. arada, es is droa, roca Cven damoukidebloba movipoveT, gavTavisufldiT ruseTis marwuxebisgan da Cveni bedi Cven TviTon vmarTeT. swored am droSi gamoCnda qarTveli eris potenciali, swori orientirebi, swrafva ganviTarebisken, Tavisuflebis siyvaruli. maSin Seiqmna dRemde samagaliTo konstitucia, uaRresad progresuli dokumenti, daarsda orsqesiani parlamenti, sadac qalebi CaerTnen politikur cxovrebaSi, ganaTleba prioritetad iqca.
– Sefasebebi, romelic wardginebis Semdeg gakeTda. . .
– safutkreTSi gamarTuli Sexvedris Semdeg araerTi adamiani gamesaubra Cemi wignis Temaze da maTma interesma kidev erTxel damarwmuna, rom pirvel damoukidebel respublikaze kidev meti unda vweroT. es muxti, darwmunebuli var, damexmareba, rom am saqmes isev SeveWido, metis mokvlevas SemaZlebinebs. CemTvis gansakuTrebiT saintereso iyo qalbatoni ia vaSakiZis sajaro leqcia `qarTvelologiis orgvari dagegmva~, romelic Cemi kvlevis sagans exmianeboda da romelmac sul sxvanairad damanaxa niko maris figura Cveni damoukideblobis da Semdeg ukve ruseTis mier saqarTvelos aneqsiis wlebSi. erTmaneTis mosmena Temebis gacvlis, emociebis gadacemis, damuxtvis saukeTeso SesaZleblobaa. am garemoSi calke siamovnebaa poetebis mier wakiTxuli poezia, qalbatoni marina TeqTumaniZe sul sxvanairad Semiyvarda da Cveni baTumeli poetebic TiTqos xelaxla aRmovaCine.
– im dRes aRniSneT, festivalma `ze-karTan~ TbilisSi momuSave mwerlebic dagvamegobrao. ra mniSvnelobas aniWebT am festivals Tanamedrove literaturul sivrceSi?
– mTian aWaras marTla sxva Zala aqvs, am simaRleze yofniT TiTqos Cveni ganwyobac uCveulod maRldeba da is xalxic ki, TbilisSic kargad rom icnobda erTmaneTs, aq ufro axlovdeba, Cndeba gansakuTrebuli kavSiri, axali ideebi da yvelani STagonebulebi vbrundebiT Sin. zogs erTad muSaobis ideac uCndeba, zogi erTmaneTs wignis winasityvaobas uwers, ilustracias uxatavs, leqss uZRvnis. „ze-karTan“ axal horizontebs xsnis, adgilobriv mwerlebTan gvamegobrebs, erTmaneTis Semoqmedebasac sxvanairad vecnobiT, saqarTvelos am mxaresTanac gansakuTrebuli emocia gviCndeba da adgilobrivi mosaxleobis Tbili daxvedra, maTi siyvaruli, folklori, maTi ambebi Cvens Semoqmedebasac kvebavs da Cvens adamianobasac.
– SarSan festivalis `yabalaxosani~ gaxdiT. tradiciisamebr, wels axali Tqven SearCieT. ra niSniT amoarCieT ukrainidan ltolvili mwerali natalia troximi?
– moulodneli sixaruli iyo CemTvis SarSandeli gadawyvetileba – sapatio yabalaxi margunes. kidev ufro moulodneli aRmoCnda is faqti, rom wels me damekisra qali `yabalaxosnis~ gamovlenis pasuxismgebloba, Tumca, namdvilad ar gamWirvebia, radgan wels Cven Soris erTi ukonkurento qali iyo. natalia troximi ara mxolod Tavisi SemoqmedebiT da mTargmnelobiTi saqmianobiT gamoirCeva, aramed imiT, rom qarTuli literaturis namdvili elCia. ukrainaze ruseTis Tavdasxmis Semdeg man lvovi datova, Tavi droebiT Tbiliss Seafara, misi Svili dRemde frontis xazze ibrZvis da natalia yovel wams cnobebis molodinSia. magram is am pirobebSic axerxebs akeTos sayvareli saqme, weros, Targmnos. man TbilisSi gamomcemloba daaarsa da wignis namdvil qomagad iqca. aseTi Zvirfasi stumari gvyavda da yabalaxis gareSe rogor gavuSvebdiT?!
– ra kvali datova im wlebma, roca pirveli arxis Jurnalisti iyaviT?
– 10 weli vimuSave sazogadoebriv mauwyebelze jer `moambis~, Semdeg ki `alionis~ wamyvanad. pirdapir eTerSi muSaobam mobilizeba maswavla, Jurnalistobam ki masalaze muSaoba, kvleva-Zieba. maqvs gancda, rom erTi cxovreba ukve vicxovre da televiziaSi dabrunebas rom mTavazoben, yovelTvis uars vambob. wignebis weras (da cxadia, kiTxvas) erTguleba da sruli yuradReba sWirdeba.
– 16 wlis Svilis deda, urTierTobebSi wina planze ra faqtorebs ayenebT?
– mTavari Cemi SvilisTvis im faseulobebis gadacemaa, rac mas uTvalav swor arCevans gaakeTebinebs cxovrebaSi, mters moyvrisgan iolad gaarCevinebs, Tavisuflebas arasdros daaTmobinebs. yovelTvis ecodineba, rom: `yoveli namdvili patrioti kosmopolitia ise, rogorc yoveli gonieri kosmopoliti patriotia… romeli adamianic Tavis ers emsaxureba keTilgonierad da cdilobs, Tavis samSoblo aRamaRlos gonebriv, qonebriv da zneobriv simaRleebze, amiT is umzadebs mTels kacobriobas saukeTeso wevrebs, saukeTeso megobars, xels uwyobs mTeli kacobriobis ganviTarebas, keTildReobas~. `eqvsi noes kidobanic~ Cems Svils mivuZRveni, am ambebiT, pirvel rigSi, mas velaparakebi – yvelaze Zvirfass, vinc myavs, da veubnebi, rac maqvs yvelaze Zvirfasi.
– erovnuli faseulobebi, Rirebulebebi, qarTuli enis identuroba rom ar daikargos, ra recepts gvTavazobT?
– pirvel rigSi, warsulis gaazrebas, radgan `awmyos, romelsac warsuli ar aqvs, arc momavali aqvs~, enis gafrTxilebas da ganviTarebas, Tavisuflebis umTavres faseulobad SenarCunebas, erTianobas, konformizmis daZlevas da sakuTar droebiT interesebze maRla samSoblos interesis dayenebas, radgan ar arsebobs piradi bedniereba Seni qveynis ubedurebis xarjze.
– `mwerloba gvelze nadirobaze ufro rTulia~, – ambobda konstantine gamsaxurdia. es sirTuleebi ukve daZlieT. axla, Tqveni avtorobiT, ra nawarmoebs unda velodoT?
– axal romanze viwyeb muSaobas, romelic swored rom enas, Cvens identobas exeba da haidegeris filosofiis gavleniT hqvia `Cemi yofierebis saxli~.
– aris faseulobebi, Rirebulebebi, romlebic am kuTxeSia davanebuli. maTi samzeoze gamotanisTvis dros Tu gamonaxavT?
– mTian aWaraze weris cduneba, mgoni, yvelas gviCndeba aq yofnisas. gegeliZeebSi zaza xalvaSis `names~ naxva sruliad momnusxveli da STamagonebeli iyo. Tumca, arsebobs utyuari wesi – wero imaze, rac namdvilad ici. me jer mxolod stumari var am Tvalwarmtac, mkacr mTebSi da Tu odesme meti drois gatarebis saSualeba momecema, siamovnebiT davwer am siCumeze, am saocar xalxze. erTi vici, rom Tqveni skolis moswavleebi gamaogneblad gonierebi arian, Zalian bevrs kiTxuloben da Zalian siRrmiseulad swvdebian wignebis sazriss. aSkarad, Zalian kargi mSoblebis gazrdili bavSvebi vnaxe xuloSi, Zalian kargi maswavleblebis moswavleebi.
– dros irgebT Tu drois karnaxiT cxovrebas, Semoqmedebas agrZelebT?
– dro vrceli Temaa. dro bevr rames gvkarnaxobs, gvTavazobs, gadafasebisken gvibiZgebs. ase mgonia, moduri, aqtualuri Tema verasdros iqneba STagonebis namdvili wyaro, Tu mwerlis gonebaSi isedac ar ixarSeboda es movlena, isedac ar emzadeboda dasabadeblad. erTi mcire romani „qariSxali margo“ qalTa mimarT Zaladobaze davwere swored maSin, roca femicidis statistika usaSvelod gaizarda da, cxadia, Tema aqtualuri iyo. magram aqtualuroba Jurnalistikis saqme ufroa. mec televizoridan movismine morigi mokluli qalis ambavi, simwris cremlebi ver Sevikave da gulSi Sevpirdi, rom masze davwerdi, mis magivrad vilaparakebdi, mis xmas gavagonebdi sazogadoebas. Tu drois karnaxiT cxovrebaSi medroveobas gulisxmobT, es ukiduresad negatiuri cnebaa da xelovanisgan Zalian Sorsaa.
