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mravalmxrivi interesebiT gamorCeuli Semoqmedia nana momceliZe – mxatvari, poeti, xatmweri, Jurnalisti, dauRalavi da kreatiuli pirovneba, aqtiuri sazogado moRvawe, romelic Tavisi saqmianobiT adamianebs sixaruls aniWebs. qalbatoni nana unarianad xelmZRvanelobs literaturul-SemecnebiT akademiur gaerTianeba `xatimamuls~, gamocems Jurnal
`xatimamuls~. axlaxan is israelis ssf `gulTa kavSiris~ baTumis organizaciis xelmZRvanelad dainiSna da proeqtebi, romlis ganxorcielebasac miznad isaxavs, mravali adamianis cxovrebas Secvlis sasikeTod. gvesaubreba nana momceliZe.
– qalbatono nana, saqarTvelos mweralTa kavSirma axlaxan mniSvnelovani jildo – giorgi leoniZis saxelobis endalma da oqros medali `natvris xe~ mogakuTvnaT. gilocavT. am jildos rogor aRiqvamT?
– udidesi madloba minda vuTxra qalbaton mayvala gonaSvils dafasebisTvis. rac Seexeba aRqmas, es siyvarulis da pativiscemis gamoxatulebaa da meti araferi. am usiyvarulo qveyanaSi Tuki erTmaneTs siyvaruls vaCuqebT, amaze didi bedniereba araferia. xSirad xdeba gakicxvis sagani esa Tu is jildo, magram vfiqrob, ase ar unda iqceodes zogierTi da getyviT, ratom. jer erTi, rodesac mweralTa sazogadoebis pirveli piri gajildoebs, man kargad icis, vis aZlevs premias Tu sigels da risTvis. meore, am daTrgunul da tanjul garemoSi adamiani sinaTlis sxivs gaZlevs, imeds, rom viRacas axsovxar da eZvirfasebi, gana amaze didi adamianoba aris rame? piradad me, miuxedavad imisa, ocdaoTxi saaTi vSromob, arasodes miTqvams, rom saukeTeso var da arc arasodes vityvi. amis Semfasebeli is sazogadoebaa, romelmac icis xelovnebis, Sromis fasi da uxaria TiToeuli Rirebuli naSromi. adamianebi sxvadasxva ganzomilebaSi cxovroben. imas, visac xelovneba namdvilad uyvars da Sromobs, sxvisi arasodes SeSurdeba, sxvas arasodes galanZRavs, arasodes gamouTxris Zirs. Cemze amboben erTeulebi, rom Cin-medlebis moyvaruli, uniWo var da yvelafers vkadrulob, rom premia momcen. am dros, minda giTxraT, rom rac premia da sigeli mimiRia, yvela moulodneli sixaruli iyo CemTvis. erTs davamatebdi, erTma adamianma xatos Teqaze, rac Zalian Sromatevadia, qargos, xati weros, sazogadoebrivad saqmianobdes, gamosces orasgverdiani samecniero literaturul-SemecnebiTi Jurnali or TveSi erTxel, weros, imReros da yvelas siyvaruliT hqondes guli savse – amdeni SeZlon imaT, vinc me mlanZRavs da arafers vityvi, isedac arafers vambob.
– cota xnis winaT israelis ssf `gulTa kavSirSi~ gawevriandiT. ras warmoadgens es organizacia da rogor gesaxebaT momavalSi masTan TanamSromloba?
– `gulTa kavSiri~ esaa didi siyvaruli da Tanadgoma, didi pasuxismgebloba megobrebis winaSe. Cemi axalgazrdobis droindeli megobris, baton lado WeliZis iniciativiT gavwevriandi da president, baton robert adaris gadawyvetilebiT daviniSne ssf `gulTa kavSiris~ baTumis organizaciis xelmZRvanelad. vmuSaob wesdebaze. ZiriTad prioritetad saqvelmoqmedo RonisZiebebi maqvs miCneuli da vfiqrob, sul mcirediT mainc SevuwyobT xels im socialur fenas, romelsac daxmareba da Tanadgoma sWirdeba.
– rogorc literaturul–SemecnebiTi akademiuri gaerTianeba `xatimamulis~ xelmZRvaneli, samomavlod ra proeqtebs ganaxorcielebT?
– miznebi didia. vgegmavT kidev araerTi gamoCenili moRvawis Camoyvanas, lamaz saRamoebs, proeqtebis ganxorcielebas. gvinda miviRoT monawileoba gamocxadebul proeqtebSi da sxva. vnaxoT, rogor gavwvdebiT. rac mTavaria, erT muStad Sekruli, Zlieri gundi varT, erTmaneTis mosiyvarule da pativismcemeli, erTi ideis matarebelni – vakeToT qarTuli saqme. vfiqrob, aravis SevuSliT xels imiT, rom siyvaruliT gajerebuli saRamoebi Catardeba baTumSi. CamoviyvanT Rirseul adamianebs, davaxvedrebT aseve Rirseul sazogadoebas da siyvaruls vaCuqebT erTmaneTs.
– Tqveni organizebuli literaturuli saRamoebi popularulia. maT Soris, romels gamoarCevdiT da am bolos Catarebul literaturul saRamoebzec gviambeT…
– piradad CemTvis, yvela saRamo mniSvnelovania. yvela stumars erTnairi mondomebiT da siyvaruliT vxvdebi, ra Tqma unda, Cems megobrebTan erTad. bolos Catarebuli saRamoebidan tariel xarxelauris, bela alanias, saqarTvelos mxatvarTa kavSiris Tavmjdomare, baton guram cercvaZis da saqarTvelos mweralTa kavSiris Tavmjdomare, qalbaton mayvala gonaSvilis saRamoebs gamovyofdi. rac Seexeba popularobas, amas ganapirobebs damswre sazogadoeba. rom ara maTi CarTuloba da Tanadgoma, araferi gamovidoda.
– `mwignobarTan~ urTierTobas gansakuTrebul mniSvnelobas aniWebT… roca axalgazrdebs xelovnebas aziarebT, ras aswavliT maT da rogor?
– `mwignobaris~ xelmZRvaneli manana wulukiZe futkariviT mSromeli adamiania. arasodes aravisi Surs, aravis gamouTxris Zirs. angelozebs emsaxureba, aziarebs kulturas da xelovnebas. amitom vudgavar gverdSi da vcdilob, popularizacia gavuwio, rac ar aklia, magram mainc. igi CemTvis dasaviTaa, xasiaTSi mgavs, TavCaRunuli akeTebs Tavis saqmes didi erTgulebiT.
– literaturul festival `qujis~ sakuTari naqargebi gadaeciT saCuqrad. Tqveni es Tanadgoma da mxardaWera rogor aRiqves festivalis organizatorebma?
– `qujis~ erT-erTi damfuZnebeli batoni ilia erqvania iyo CamobrZanebuli baTumSi, Cvens RonisZiebaze. maSin gavatane Cemi namuSevrebi – Teqaze Sesrulebuli tilo da ori
moqarguli xati. bednieri var, rom Cemi namuSevrebi xelovanebis ojaxebSi moxvda. maT udides pativs vcem, didi siyvarulic miviRe maTgan madlobis niSnad.
– xSirad gxedaven sxvadasxva RonisZiebaze, romelSic erTvebiT leqsiT, simReriT, cekviT, adamianebs CuqniT sakuTar mxatvrul nawarms… cxadia, es gabednierebT. am zRva energiis wyaro bevrisTvis sanatrelia, gasakviric…
– bevri mteric gaviCine. me Tavisuflad vcxovrob, mixaria urTierTobebi. bevri Rame miTevia, rom Cemi xeliT Seqmnili naxati an naqargi meCuqebina adamianebisTvis. maxarebs maTi gabrwyinebuli Tvalebi. es CemTvis bednierebaa. rac Seexeba aqtiur CarTulobas, miyvars sazogadoeba, urTierTobebi da amiT vivsebi. sxvanairad ver vicxovreb. sazogadoebaSi roca siyvaruliT da siTboTi Sedixar, gRebuloben iseTs, rogoric xar. udides siyvaruls vgrZnob Zalian bevri adamianisgan da bednieri var amiT. boRmian, Worikana da borot arsebebTan, romlebsac araferi gaegebaT Sromis, aravisTvis araferi emetebaT da sxvisi cxovrebis qeqviT arian dakavebulni, Cemi adgili araa.
– `saqarTvelo wers zurab gorgilaZis rCeuls~ – am proeqtSic monawileobdiT. ras gvetyviT masze?
– es idea mamuliSvilTa sagvareulo kavSirSi daibada, konkretulad, Tamar xozrevaniZes ekuTvnis. Zalian kargi proeqtia, romelic did pativs miagebs udides poet zurab gorgilaZes. mec erT-erTi rigiTi monawile var. saerTod, maxarebs is, rom es organizacia bevr karg, mamuliSvilur saqmes akeTebs da aqtiurad TanamSromlobs `xatimamulTan~. warmatebebi maT.
– gurmanic xarT. Tqveneuli baqlavis recepti feisbuqis momxmareblebma moiwones. kidev ras akeTebT gemrielad?
– gaixaros restornis momgonma, am bolo dros saxlSi aravin iwuxebs Tavs. datanjuli viyavi. nanas gemrieli xeli aqvso da yvela CemTan modioda. dampatiJebdnen da suframde vin mimiSvebda, egreve samzareuloSi mamwesebdnen. miyvars kulinaria. studentobis periodSi, Zalian rom miWirda, ojaxi, bavSvi Cemze iyo damokidebuli, namcxvrebs vacxobdi RamiT da dilas vabarebdi. mere universitetSi gavrbodi. faqtobrivad, ar meZina, mere erTi periodi, SekveTebs mza saWmelebze viRebdi. amboben, rom Cinebul tolmas da `ostris~ vamzadeb. Cemnair xaSs veravin gaakeTebs. sxvaTa Soris, `xaSi farTi~ xSirad maqvs megobrebTan erTad. Tqvenc gepatiJebiT. kargi raWuli lobio vici, sacivic. ra vici, rasac vakeTeb, moswonT. erT kuriozs gavixseneb: iseTi samuSao grafiki mqonda, WamisTvisac ver viclidi. erTi kvira dRe mqonda dasveneba da yvelaferi unda momeswro. es Cemi megobrebi kidev adgebodnen da momadgebodnen saxlSi. erTxelac, gamovitane sufraze didi gogra, davde da davjeqi. miyureben gaSterebulebi. ar elodnen, arada, suni scemT mwvadis da samzareuloSi araferia. am dros gograSi maqvs gakeTebuli Canaxi xorciT, badrijniT… sxedan gabusxulebi, avxade gogras da… ise Wames, namceci ar Semxvda. amis receptsac davdeb aucileblad, ugemrielesia.
– garegnulad laRi da Tavisufali adamianis STabeWdilebas tovebT. Tavad rogor aRiqvamT sakuTar personas?
– Zalian mgrZnobiare var. axalgazrdobidan moyolebuli bevri ram gadamxda. vcdilobdi, aravisTvis meCvenebina Cemi tkivili. vfiqrob, Seni satkivriT aravin unda daRalo, megobrebTan gatarebuli dro lamazi mogoneba unda iyos. axlac ase var, aravis vaCveneb, miWirs Tu milxins. vfiqrob, sazogadoebisTvis Zlieri var, magram patara ramem SeiZleba ise imoqmedos, gavnadgurde. silaRe da Tavisufleba Cemi ZiriTadi Strixia… ase vTqvaT, vaZliereb Cems Tavs.
– `mZime jvari vatare mTeli cxovreba da axlac vzidav~ – ase werT erT–erT bolo postSi. isurvebT axla amaze saubars?
– Cemi cxovreba rom movyve, Tqveni gazeTis furclebi ar meyofa. magram zogadad mainc vecdebi, patara Strixebi Cemi cxovrebisa gavixseno da iolad gadmovce, rom mkiTxveli ar daiTrgunos. 19 wlis asakSi gamaTxoves usiyvarulod. vinc miyvarda da vuyvardi, ojaxma ar indoma. 19 wlidan ojaxis tvirTi me damawva kiserze. ar visaubreb Cemi Svilis mamaze, radgan gardacvlilebze an kargs amboben, an arafers. meore kursis studenti viyavi. 90-ianebSi. gaxsovT, ra xdeboda maSin TbilisSi. miWirda Tavis gatana. dRe – vswavlobdi, Rame namcxvrebs vacxobdi da Tan vmecadineobdi. erTi wlis iyo Cemi biWi, meuRle rom avad gaxda. marto vumklavdebodi Zvirad Rirebul wamlebs da yvela problemas, Tan kargad vswavlobdi. davamTavre pedagogiuri universiteti da gadavedi literaturis institutis aspiranturaSi. Cemi leqtorebis daxmarebiT aviRe saleqcio kursi. kapikebs gvixdidnen, magram CemTvis aseT sazogadoebaSi yofna wamali iyo. nel-nela davdeqi fexze. dRe da Rame vSromobdi. vqsovdi, vqargavdi da sadac mimiwvevdnen, yvelgan viRebdi saaTebs. vixdidi Cemi meuRlis valebs da ase midioda cxovreba. rasac mivaRwie, mxolod CemiT, magram aqac Casafrebulma, gulborotma adamianebma sakuTari Tavis gadasarCenad Cemi gaubedureba scades da gamouvidaT kidec. davkarge biznesi, sami saxli da mTeli cxovreba. nerviulobis niadagze gameTiSa xerxemali da ori umZimesi operacia damWirda, rom fexze gamevlo. mere Sroma Tavis gadarCenisTvis, Svilis gverdSi dgomisTvis. dRe da Rame xatva, qsova, qargva. weriT vasulierebdi da vasazrdoebdi Cems suls. vuRimodi mzes, megobrebs. siyvaruliT vegebebodi yovel dilas da gadavrCi, radgan vicodi, Cemze uaresad Cemze kargi adamianebic iyvnen da ar mqonda ufleba, mewuwuna. 14 wlis qvrivobis Semdgom, gadavdgi nabiji da meored gavTxovdi. Camovedi aWaraSi, jvari daviwereT da ori kvira arc iyo gasuli, Cems meuRles biznesi gaunadgurda – aufeTqda sakuTari profilaqtika. nerviulobis niadagze moxvda saavadmyofoSi infarqtiT. daedo uzarmazari vali da davrCi ulukmapurod, yovelgvari Semosavlis gareSe. magram ver mivatovebdi meuRles. es misTvis sikvdilis tolfasi iqneboda. verc Cemebs vanerviulebdi… gaWirvebiT gamovediT mdgomareobidan. mainc vicinodi, vidgamdi fexs da madloba RmerTs, gamomivida. Zalian bevri kargi adamiani SeviZine aWaraSi. siyvarulis da urTierTobebis gareSe movkvdebi. magram, samwuxarod, arian Suriani, boroti da gulRrZo adamianebi, romlebsac cxviri Cayofili aqvT Cems cxovrebaSi da Cemi lanZRvis mets arafers akeTeben. maT vetyodi, Cemken naTqvami yoveli sityva bumerangiviT miutrialdebaT ukan. Cemi cxovreba Cemia. ufalma marguna es da Rirseulad unda gavuZlo. dResac Cemi SromiT gamaqvs Tavi da gverdSi vudgavar meuRlesac da Svilsac. meti siTbo da pozitivi gauSviT, meti siyvaruli, rom samyaro gadarCes. uflisgan gaCenilni isev ufals unda mivebaroT Cveni suliT.
Zalian mZimea CemTvis warsulze saubari, magram ra gaewyoba, es Cemi ganvlili wlebia da verafers Sevcvli.
– poetic xarT, mxatvaric. ufro xSirad, romel sferoSi aRwevT TviTrealizacias da saerTod, rodis gstumrobT `muzebi~?
– ase ver gamovyof. erTmaneTs avseben. ise, yvelaze metad meZneleba SekveTaze muSaoba – iZulebiT xatva, droSi rom unda Caetio da Semdeg arc gemeteba gasayidad. iciT, rogor viTrgunebi am dros? magram ras vizam, arseboba xom sWirdeba adamians. samagierod, sixaruliT vuZRvni saCuqrebs.
– yvelaze didi saswauli, romelsac vacnobierebT da… romelsac ver vacnobierebT.
– yvelaze didi saswauli, romelsac vacnobiereb, dedobaa.
rasac ver vacnobiereb, uflis madlia, bolomde ver Cavwvdi. arada, ramden saswauls gvivlens imisTvis, rom gamovswordeT.
– rasac fiqrobT, imas laparakobT?
– dadebiTze yovelTvis gulaxdilad vlaparakob, uaryofiTs, vcdilob, Tavi avarido. adamianebis lanZRva ar miyvars.
– Tavidan rom moevlinoT dedamiwas…
– bevr rames Sevcvlidi Cems cxovrebaSi. Zalian mimndobi ar viqnebodi, Zalian bevrs ar aviRebdi Cems Tavze da mecodineboda Tavis fasi. am SemTxvevaSi, kargad vicxovrebdi.
– sityva, romelic unda aRzevdes…
– s i y v a r u l i!
– nana momceliZe kidev ras hkiTxavs sakuTar Tavs?
– Zalian mainteresebs, milioneri rom viyo, isev aseTad davrCebodi, isev metkineboda sxvisi tkivili da gaWirveba?
