ნატალია ტროხიმი – უკრაინა ძალიან მიყვარს და სახლში დაბრუნებაზე ვოცნებობ
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ukrainelmaMA poetma da mTargmnelma natalia troximma aWaris mTianeTi, misi RirsSesaniSnaobani wels gaicno, roca 3 dRis ganmavlobaSi imyofeboda qedaSi, Suaxevsa da xuloSi. igi aq miRebul STabeWdilebebze, qarTul-ukrainul urTierTobebze, qarTuli sityvis ostatebTan Sexvedrebze gvesaubreba.
– qalbatono natalia, ra informacia gqondaT saqarTvelos am istoriul kuTxeze?
– TiTqmis erTi welia, saqarTveloSi vcxovrob. aq myavs msoflioSi saukeTeso megobrebi, amitom bevri adgilis monaxuleba movaxerxe. viyavi baTumSi, foTSi, urekSi, SekveTilSi, sarfSi. . . kargad vicnob Tqvens istorias, folklors, wes-Cveulebebs, bevri ram vici aWaraSi mcxovrebi muslimebis Sesaxeb. saqarTvelos nebismieri kuTxe lamazia – garda im adgilebisa, ruseTma Tavisi tori rom daado da mxolod nangrevebi datova. magaliTad, afxazeTSi. WrilobasaviT mtkiva.
– ramdenime welia qarTveli mwerlebisa da poetebis nawarmoebebs TargmniT. . .
– yvelaferi imiT daiwyo, rom 2009 wels litvaSi gavicani qarTveli poetebi gaga naxucriSvili, daviT robaqiZe da amiran svimoniSvili (naTeli mis suls!). iqve gavicani nana daviZe, romelic Cemi pirveli megzuri gaxda qarTuli enis samyaroSi. Cemze didi STabeWdileba moaxdina am avtorebis poeziam. TiToeul maTgans aqvs Tavisi unikaluri xma, xedavs da gvaCvenebs samyaros Taviseburad, exeba uCveulo Temebs. amitom Semiyvarda qarTuli poezia ase da daviwye misi Targmna. dReisaTvis naTargmni maqvs qarTveli avtorebis 500-mde leqsi. garda amisa, lvovis gamomcemloba `jezvaSi~ davbeWdeT qarTveli avtorebis ramdenime wigni, maT Soris: amiran svimoniSvilis, gaga naxucriSvilis, daviT robaqiZis, nato ingoroyvas leqsebi, gaga naxucriSvilis romani `zamTris zRva~ da mariam wiklauris `araCveulebrivi kvira~. audioformatiTac gamoqveynda. ukve daibeWda gaga naxucriSvilisa da zura qiqoZis piesa `mu~. samwuxarod, omi daiwyo. . .
– saqarTvelos meore samSoblod TvliT. . .
– Zalian miyvars Cemi samSoblo – ukraina, saqarTvelo ki Cemi droebiTi saxlia. aq movedi araCveulebrivi adamianis – nino ramiSvilis mowveviT, romelic, samwuxarod, wels gardaicvala. Cemi usazRvro madliereba, siyvaruli da pativiscema am qalbatonis mimarT kvlav makavebs aq da maZlevs muSaobis motivacias. zogadad, saqarTveloSi bevri kargi megobari SeviZine, Zvirfasi adamianebi. amitom aq Tavs ise vgrZnob, rogorc sakuTar saxlSi da maTi madlobeli var amisTvis.
– Tqveni vaJi, ori Svilis mama, frontzea. sad ibrZvis da mis Sesaxeb ra cnobebs mogvawvdiT?
– 3 Svili myavs da 6 SviliSvili. erTi qaliSvili, sam SvilTan erTad, poloneTSi cxovrobs, danarCenebi – ukrainaSi. vaJi eqvsi Tvea frontzea. is 31 wlisaa, programisti da gamomgonebelia. omSi moxalised wavida, pirvelive dRidan fronts finansurad Zalian exmareboda. is ibrZvis zaporoJies mimarTulebiT, kreminnaias maxloblad. axorcielebs dazvervas da urtyams samxedro obieqtebs dronebiT. ra Tqma unda, misTvis amgvari saqmianoba ufro advilia, vidre qveiTebisTvis, radgan mudmivad ar cxovrobs sangarSi, minimaluri komfortis gareSe, mkvdari mtrebis garemocvaSi, radgan rusebi ar zrunaven sakuTar gardacvlil mebrZolebze, brZolis velidan ar gahyavT. iqauroba mudmivad ibombeba – naRmebiT, WurvebiT, fosforiT. . . magram brZolis garda, sxva gamosavali ar gvaqvs – Tu daviRaleT, gavCerdiT, ukraina ar iarsebebs.
– ukrainis omis Tema ra adgils iWers Tqvens SemoqmedebaSi?
– omi ar aris CemTvis Tema, es aris Cemi cxovrebis arsi, yvela ukrainelis cxovreba. SemoqmedebaSi SeuZlebelia mas gverdi auaro. amitom vwer omze.
– ise gZulT rusebi da maTi ena, rom inglisurad an qarTulad saubrobT. ase warsdeqiT sazogadoebis winaSe safutkreTsa da xulos TeatrSi gamarTul RonisZiebebze.
– rusuli ena maRizianebs ara rusebisadmi Cemi siZulvilis gamo, aramed imis gamo, rom is safrTxes atarebs. ena ar SeiZleba msubuqad iqnas miRebuli. rusuli ena aris ariadnes Zafi `rusuli samyarosTvis~. mas moaqvs `rusuli samyaro~, rac realurad niSnavs oms, romelic ipyrobs, tboravs yvelafers, rasac miaRwevs. is amas akeTebs aqtiurad, Tavxedurad, agresiulad. rodesac Cemma rusma megobrebma literaturaze diskusiisas ironiulad mkiTxes: `sad arian Seni nobelis premiis laureatebi?~ – me maT vupasuxe: Tqven mokaliT. da es marTalia. Cven gvaqvs kidec koncefcia – `gasrolili aRorZineba~, romelSic Sedioda asobiT da aTasobiT niWieri da brwyinvale ukraineli mxatvari, romlebic ruseTma gaanadgura, radgan ar surdaT, uari eTqvaT ukrainul enaze da zogadad, ukrainelobaze. Cveni gamoCenili poeti qali lina kostenko ambobda: `erebi gulis SeteviT ar kvdebian – jer enas arTmeven~. ase rom, Cveni siZulvili mtrisadmi, didi siyvarulidan daibada, Tavisuflebis, silamazis, ukrainis, sicocxlis, Cveni winaprebisa da STamomavlebis siyvarulidan. swored amisTvis vibrZviT yvelafrisTvis, ris gareSec ver warmogvidgenia sakuTari Tavi. mjera, rom gavimarjvebT da davibrunebT Cvensas, rogorc miwier ganzomilebaSi, aseve, aramiwierSic.
– saqarTveloSi gamomcemloba daaarseT, wignebs TargmniT, kidev ra saqmianobiT xarT dakavebuli?
– Targmanebis garda, yovelTvis raRac maqvs gasakeTebeli – vwer romans da leqsebs, vakeTeb samkaulebs da Tojinebs, vswavlob qarTul enas, vxvdebi megobrebs.
– ramdenad elodiT, rom mwerali ekaterine togoniZe wels gamarTul `ze-karTan~ festivalze simbolurad yabalaxs Tqven gadmogcemdaT?
– es aRiareba marTlac auwonavia, rac mavaldebulebs, meti vimuSao. amJamad vwer Cveni gamomcemlobis meore wignis – lesia ukrainkas `kasandras~ winasityvaobas. detalurad aRvwer mis aristokratul warmomavlobas, misi Sexedulebebis evolucias, mis cxovrebas, SemoqmedebiTsa da politikurs, radgan zogierTebma mxolod am brwyinvale mwerlis saxeli ician da warmodgena aqvT masze, rogorc revolucionerze. es ki sulac ar aris ase. mTel msoflios sjeroda, rom ukrainaSi ar iyo Rirebuli literatura. aq isev Cndeba kiTxva rusuli kulturis Sesaxeb, romelic yovelTvis anacvlebs yvelafer avtoqTonurs da specifikurs. adamianis mexsierebas, yuradRebas yvelafers raRac sazRvrebi aqvs, rusuli `produqtiT~ yvelafers ver aavseb. rusuli kulturis wili Cvens cnobierebaSi zedmetad didi iyo, sxvas adgili aRar rCeboda. Cven unda gamovasworoT es, unda gavuxsnaT adgili Cvens literaturas da kulturas da sxva, ara – mtrul, aramed namdvilad megobrul kulturebs.
– rogori STabeWdileba dagrCaT festivalze `ze-karTan~, mis organizatorebsa da adgilobriv mosaxleobaze?
– es CemTvis sruli siurprizi, Temebic lamazi, amaRelvebeli da dauviwyari iyo. festivalis STabeWdilebebi saukeTesoa. yvelaferi Zalian komfortuli, mimzidveli gaxldaT. stumarTmoyvare da guluxvi xalxi, saocari adgilebi zRapruli xedebiT, saintereso programa, Zalian kargi organizeba, Tbili da megobruli garemo. vici, ramdeni samuSaoa Catarebuli am Sedegis misaRwevad. es organizatorebis didi damsaxurebaa da maTi madlobeli var. simboluri iyo komunikacia adgilobriv gogonebTan, romlebic wignebiT uaxlovdebodnen magidas, sadac vijeqi da cdilobdnen CemTan komunikacias. enobrivi barieris gamo, es advili ar iyo, magram CarTva mainc movaxerxe, eTer TaTaraiZis leqsic ki erTad wavikiTxeT – maT qarTulad, me ki ukrainuli Targmani.
– axla romeli qarTveli Semoqmedis nawarmoebs TargmaniT?
– amJamad vmuSaob ekaterine togoniZis romanis „asinqroniis“ Targmanze, aseve, qeTevan Sengelias leqsebze.
– saqarTveloSi samudamod darCenas da SemoqmedebiTi saqmianobis gagrZelebas xom ar fiqrobT?
– ara, me ukraina Zalian miyvars da saxlSi dabrunebaze vocnebob.
– Svili frontzea, rZlisa da SviliSvilebis Camoyvanas xom ar fiqrobT saqarTveloSi?
– isini ukve gvstumrobdnen da siamovnebiT Camovlen Cveni gamarjvebis Semdeg, cota xniT, ara samudamod.
– sxva regionebSi gamarTul festivalebSic monawileobdiT. . .
– diax, viyavi kaxeTSi, zugdidSi. yvela festivali, yoveli literaturuli RonisZieba maZlevs SesaZleblobas, madloba gadavuxado qarTvel xalxs, Tqvens qveyanas mxardaWerisTvis, imisTvis, rom Tqveni Svilebi CvenTan erTad ibrZvian, aseve imisTvis, rom gvaqvs SesaZlebloba, vTqvaT simarTle ukrainaze, Cvens xalxze, saganZurze da omze ara mxolod scenidan, aramed pirad saubrebSic. vfiqrob, es mniSvnelovania.
– mavani cdilobs, ukraina-saqarTvelos mravalsaukunovani megobruli urTierTobebi Searyios. maT ra pasuxs gascemdiT?
– SeuZlebelia, Cvens megobrobas Ziri gamouTxaro. es zustad vici, radgan es megobroba – ukrainelisa da qarTvelis sulier naTesaobas efuZneba. Cven bevri ram gvaqvs saerTo – silamazis siyvaruli, keTilSobileba, sikeTe, Sromismoyvareoba, mxiaruleba… es yvelaferi Cveni samudamod Zlieri megobrobis safuZveli da garantia.
– borotebasa da kacTmoZuleobas sikeTe arasdros moutania. . .
– roca adamiani sakuTar saxls, Svilebs icavs, es ar aris boroteba. rodesac adamiani ar aris Tanaxma, iyos mona da ibrZvis Tavisi Rirsebisa da TavisuflebisTvis – es ar aris boroteba, piriqiT, es aris umaRlesi sikeTe. rodesac adamianebi cdiloben daicvan sakuTari meoba da SeebrZolon Tavdamsxmels, es aris momavlis SenarCunebis erTaderTi gza. me mjera damoukidebeli da Tavisufali ukrainis momavlis. `win – Cveni neba Tu sikvdili~ – es iyo ukraineli meamboxeebis slogani 100 wlis win, es aris Cveni dRevandeli lozungi. araferi icvleba, mteri igivea. da misi damarcxeba Cveni wminda movaleobaa. omze maqvs leqsebi, romelsac Targmnian gaga naxucriSvili da qeTevan Sengelia.
– `yabalaxosanis~ wodeba gavaldebulebT, gaisadac CamoxvideT aWaris mTianeTSi.
– aWara zRapruli adgilia, aq aucileblad davbrundebi. imedi maqvs, `kasandrasTan~ – Cvens wignTan erTad, romelic asi wlis win lesia ukrainkam dawera, axla ki gaga naxucriSvilma Targmna da es did sixaruls maniWebs, Tundac didi mwuxarebis fonze.
