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gulnazi xabaZe-maxaWaZem 70 weli ukan moitova. 17 wlisa iyo, roca biblioTekaroba andes. 53 welia, arCeul saqmes emsaxureba. axlac iseTive gulisxmierebiTa da gulmodginebiT dgas mkiTxvelTa samsaxurSi, rogorc wlebis win.
– qalbatono gulnazi, ram ganapiroba, rom Tqvens mTavar saqmianobad wignebTan megobroba gaixadeT?

– deda mwignobari qali iyo. im droisaTvis kargad flobda arabul enasa da damwerlobas. mas pedagogoba surda, magram ojaxma ar Seuwyo xeli. amitom mtkiced gadawyvita, Svilebs eswavlaT. wignis kiTxva man Semayvara, xSirad damTenebia kiTxvaSi. ojaxSi 7 dedmamiSvili viyaviT. me mesame Svili var da ojaxis simZime bavSvobidan damawva mxrebze. ufrosi da male gaTxovda, Zma jarSi wavida. deda muSaobda. meSvide klasidan amovudeqi mas mxarSi. Sromas pataraobidanve veziare da dRemde ase var. ojaxsa da samsaxurs ise vuTavseb erTmaneTs, rom erTxelac ar wamomcdenia sayveduri daRlilobis gamo. skola 1967 wels davamTavre da komkavSiruli sagzuriT engurhesis mSeneblobaze amovyavi Tavi. vmuSaobdi metabeled daba reCxis eleqtrosadgurze. iq inJiner SoTa SarabiZesa da Cems ZmasTan erTad viyavi. dro mqonda imisaTvis, rom wigni mekiTxa. xSirad vstumrobdi zugdidis saqalaqo biblioTekas, ufro metad saqarTvelos istoriiT viyavi dainteresebuli, Tumca amis miuxedavad, yvela saxis literaturas ganurCevlad vkiTxulobdi. gadavwyvite gavmxdariyavi biblioTekaTmcodne-bibliografi. aseTi specialoba mxolod TbilisSi, aleqsandre puSkinis saxelobis saxelmwifo institutSi iyo. imave wels gavxdi aRniSnuli institutis studenti. SemdgomSi rekomendacia gavuwie liana ServaSiZes, lela surmaniZes, daro ananiZes, leila beJaniZes, eTer bolqvaZes, eTer konceliZes. maT gaamarTles ndoba da dRemde emsaxurebian mkiTxvels. jer viyavi biblioTekari, SemdgomSi abonentis gamge, meTodisti, meToduri ganyofilebis gamge. 2006 wlidan – direqtori da dRemde vmuSaob am poziciaze.

– maxunceTel xabaZeebs enver xabaZis saxiT qarTuli qoreografiis jadoqari gyavdaT. cekvasTan ra damokidebuleba gaqvT?

– babua xSirad ambobda, rom Cvens gvarSi enver biZia marTlac, didi ganZi, qoreografi da didsulovani adamiani iyo. me ver gavxdi mocekvave, magram lotbar mirian CxikviSvilis wyalobiT didi aRmoCena viyavi da vmRerodi jer skolaSi, Semdgom – qedis kulturis saxlTan arsebul 120-kacian ansamblSi, romelsac xelmZRvanelobdnen enver xabaZe da mirian CxikviSvili. 1980 wels ansambli Tbilisidan laureatis wodebiT rom dabrunda, kulturis ganyofilebis xelmZRvaneli akaki beriZe iyo. geni ar daikarga. Cemi Svilebi da SviliSvilebi cekvaven, romlebic mraval qveyanaSi iyvnen gastrolze.

– wina saukune erovnuli meurneobis yvela dargSi ganicdida adgilobrivi kvalificiuri kadrebis naklebobas. biblioTekaTmcodne-bibliografis specialoba rom ara, ra sferos airCevdiT?

– vfiqrob, istoriis pedagogi viqnebodi, radgan istoria Zalian miyvarda da dRemde vkiTxulob istoriuli Janris nawarmoebebs. saqarTvelos yvela mxare moviare. daviwye xixaniT da TurqeTis teritoriazec vinaxule araerTi istoriuli Zegli. viyavi stambolSi, tao-klarjeTSi. vnaxe mexuTe saukuneSi aSenebuli qarTuli eklesia, romelic Seswavlili ar aris, Tumca ZirZvel qarTuli miwazea agebuli borCxis sofel ibrikSi. im adgils iqaurebi marmawmindas uwodeben, xolo eklesias – marmawmindis qilises. dResac ise amayad dgas, rogorc warsulSi. saxuravidan wvimac ki ar Camodis, mas saocrad amSvenebs erT-erT fanjaraSi amosuli uSvelebeli muxis xe.

– profesiisadmi erTguleba mTavaria, magram aris sxva niuansebic. rogor gamoiareT naxevar saukuneze meti ise, rom erT poziciaze imuSaveT? dasamaxsovrebeli da mosagonaric bevri geqnebaT. . .

– es is savanea, sadac SegiZlia ikiTxo da kiTxva Seayvaro sxvasac, gaiRrmavo codna, gaecno msoflios cnobili adamianebis nawarmoebebs, emsaxuro sazogadoebas. xSirad Camodiodnen CvenTan Tbilisidan Semowmebaze erovnuli biblioTekis direqtori sergo poluzaSvili, alika loria, spartak baRaSvili da sxvebi. pirvel rigSi, mkiTxvelis formulars amowmebdnen da Tanac interesdebodnen raionis xelmZRvanelebis biblioTekebSi CarTulobiT. ar maviwydeba arCil takiZis, ilia TebiZis, daria TurmaniZis, Tamaz abulaZis xSiri stumroba biblioTekebSi. myavda yvelaze Tbili megobrebi. marTalia, mudmivad iyo kadrebis cvlileba, magram isini wignebTan damokidebulebas ar cvlidnen, CvenTan mudam wignisa da kiTxvis moyvarulebi modiodnen. vzrdidi axal-axal kadrebs da vayalibebdi biblioTekarebad. maxsendeba erTi ambavi: meri kurcxaliZe raionuli biblioTekis gamgea, me – meToduri ganyofilebis. diliT Semoiyvana erTi kafandara, kikinebiani bavSvi da meubneba: Seaswavle sabiblioTeko saqme, – sityvac ar hqonda dasrulebuli, swrafad gavida. lianas (ServaSiZe) dRemde axsovs Cemi gabrazebuli da mkacri saxe da mec xSirad maxsenebs, magram SemdgomSi is imave ganxriT wavida, ra gzac me gamoviare. 2005 wlidan Cavabare meToduri bibliografiuli ganyofileba da dRemde muSaobs am poziciaze. axla saxeli Seecvala ganyofilebas. Cemi iniciativa iyo, rom biblioTekaris specialobiT instituti daamTavra 10-mde qedelma gogonam. isini dResac biblioTekebSi muSaoben. leila beJaniZe amJamad qedis kulturis centris mTavari specialistia folkloris dargSi. es is adgilia, sadac sicocxlis naxevari gavatare da arc vnanob. aq iseTi megobrebi myavs, Cems sixarulsa da tkivils erTnairad rom iziareben da Cems varams malamod edebian.

– rogor reagirebdiT, roca sasoflo biblioTekebi xelis erTi mosmiT gaauqmes?

– sasoflo biblioTekebis gauqmeba erT-erTi yvelaze didi Secdoma iyo. sofels hqonda kulturis kera Jurnal-gazeTebiTa da mdidari wignadi fondiT. biblioTekebis gauqmebis iniciatori, maSindeli kulturis ministri aleqsandre CikvaiZe piradi ambiciiT Sepyrobili adamiani iyo. bevri vibrZole, 9 TemSi mainc SegvenarCunebina biblioTekebi, magram – uSedegod. Zalad `gadayares~ wignebi skolebSi. dRemde es wignebi kulturis centris balanszea da skolebs sakuTar balanszec ki ar auyvaniaT. guli mwydeba, ase rom gaanadgures es fondebi. ministrma ki Tavisi Wia gaaxara, riTac didi ziani miayena wignier xalxs. soflis biblioTekebSi mravali RonisZieba tardeboda: axali wignebis wardgineba, wignebis sajaro kiTxva, mkiTxvelTa konferencia, saRvTo da saero dReebisadmi miZRvnili saRamoebi, sabavSvo dila, Sexvedrebi mravalSvilian dedebTan, axlad daniSnulebTan, daqorwinebulebTan, Sromisa da omis veteranebTan, tardeboda siyvarulis dReebi. maT Soris gamoirCeoda sofel vaios biblioTekari meleq CikvaiZe, romelic ministrs TvalSi ar mosdioda da am damokidebulebam mTeli aWaris masStabiT mkiTxvelebi daazarala. sadReisod aRdgenil biblioTekebs mkiTxveli hyavs, umetesoba axalgazrdobaa. uxucesebic bevrni arian.

– rogor moaxerxeT saqarTvelos mweralTa kavSiris maSindeli Tavmjdomaris, istoriuli romanebis avtor grigol abaSiZis qedaSi mowveva?

– mweralTa kavSiris Tavmjdomaris qedis biblioTekaSi mowveva misma nawarmoebebma da Cvenma dauRalavma Sromam ganapiroba. Cven maSin uamrav wigns ganvixilavdiT. viwvevdiT araerT poetsa da mwerals. iusuf faRava, parmen loria, mamia varSaniZe, SoTa zoiZe, zurab gorgilaZe, fridon xalvaSi biblioTekebis xSiri stumrebi iyvnen. yvela RonisZiebis amsaxveli fotomasala Senaxulia Cvens albomSi. maT Soris iyo mweralTa kavSiris maSindeli Tavmjdomare grigol abaSiZe, romelmac madloba gadagvixada kargi RonisZiebis CatarebisaTvis.

– gamorCeuli urTierTobebi gqondaT SoTa rusTavelis saxelmwifo premiis laureat, poet da sazogado moRvawe fridon xalvaSTan. . .

– fridon xalvaSi – es didebuli adamiani, rusTavelis premiis laureati, `sapatio qedeli~ didi xnis win gavicani leqsiT: `miTxar, rogoraa memleqeTi~ da sicocxlis bolomde misi poeziis erTguli viqnebi. axlos vicnobdi misi ojaxis wevrebs – meri, mzia da zaza xalvaSebs. miyvarda maTTan urTierToba. mravali Sexvedra da wignis ganxilva Camitarebia. movawyveT fridon xalvaSis SemoqmedebiTi saRamoc, romelsac uamravi stumari eswreboda. is qedis biblioTekis xSiri da sapatio stumari iyo. madloba ufals, rom aseTi adamianis megobari viyavi.

– bolos gegeliZeebSi, mis saxl-muzeums rodis stumrobdiT?

– wels saerTaSoriso literaturuli festivalis `ze-karTan~ mimdinareobisas restavrirebuli saxl-muzeumi da zaza xalvaSis filmi `name~ vnaxe.

– wlebia, TqvensaviT wignebTan fusfuss ver eleva fridonis saxl-muzeumis erTguli `mcveli~ leila kekeliZe. masTan urTierTobebzec geqnebaT albaT saTqmeli?

– leila kekeliZeze saTqmels ra gamomilevs. igi 50 wlis win gavicani qedaSi da daiwyo Cveni megobroba. Semdgom SemogvierTda mesame megobari nana (leila) beJaniZe da ase gavxdiT `trio~. leila mwignobari da wignis moyvarulia. araerTi RonisZiebis momswre varT erTad. misi saxlis sadarbazoSi `saloni~ gvqonda gaxsnili da vatarebdiT RonisZiebebs. leilas 80 wlis iubilec Cvens biblioTekaSi Catarda lia maxaraZis iniciativiT. Cveni urTierToba dRemde grZeldeba. am bolo dros Zalian dameCagra – jer zazas gardacvaleba, Semdgom Svilisa da SviliSvilisa autanel tkivilad eqca, magram mainc energiulad uZRveba saqmes, ar arRvevs didi fridonisadmi micemul pirobas – misi poeziis faria sofel gegeliZeebSi. leilam pirvelma maziara biblioTekas, meore ki caca melaSvili iyo – sofel pirveli maisis biblioTekis gamge. maT amags verasodes gadavixdi.

– xSirad xabaZe-maxaWaZed mogixsenieben. or gvars albaT erTguli Tanamecxedris – valerian maxaWaZis siyvaruliT atarebT. sami Svilis gamzrdeli deda, 6 SviliSvilis momswre bebia ojaxs pirovnebis srulyofaSi ra rols aniWebT?

– vaioeli maxaWaZeebis rZali var, sofel aqucaSi maT gadmosvlas da dasaxlebas didi istoria aqvs. meuRle, valeri maxaWaZe qedis raionis ufrosi miwaTmomwyobi iyo 1973 wlidan 2017 wlamde. ganaTleba moskovSi miiRo. xuTi da-Zma iyvnen, yvela – umaRlesi ganaTlebiT. iyo erTguli da ojaxis mosiyvarule mama. vTvli, rom me da valerim yvelaferi gavakeTeT imisaTvis, rom srulyofili ojaxi gvyoloda. ori vaJi gvyavs. ufrosma, xviCa maxaWaZem Tavdacvis akademia daamTavra da dResac Tavdacvis sistemaSi muSaobs. rZali nato diasamiZe meddaa, Tumca profesiiT ar muSaobs, saukeTeso SviliSvilebi aRmizarda. maTi qaliSvili megi umaRlesi ganaTlebiTaa, vaJi laSa ki mesame kursis studentia. meore vaJi – goCa profesiiT iuristia, magram sadReisod mezRvauria, ori Svilis mamaa. samarTlianad amayobs, rom qaliSvili elene studentia, romelic grantiT Cairicxa. umcrosi – daCi meSvide klasis warCinebuli moswavlea. rZali – mziuri kaxiZe xelovnebaTmcodnea. is baTumis qalTa kapelis yofili momReralia.
qaliSvili – Teona maxaWaZe profesiiT pedagogia. hyavs ori qaliSvili. garda imisa, rom var biblioTekaTmcodne, kargadac vqsov, aseve, var saukeTeso mqargveli. ojaxSi vkeravdi sabnebs, romelTa zedapirebsac vqargavdi da nimuSebi mihqondaT gamofenebze. uamravi axalgazrda vaziare am xelovnebas. Cemi namuSevrebi gadaiRo qalbatonma naTia TavdgiriZem aWaris televiziis gadacemaSi `erTi dRe sofelSi~, es yvelaferi ki dedam maswavla. amitom didad vemadlierebi.

– daria TurmaniZesTan, reJisor lia maxaraZesTan, poet naTela dumbaZesTan da sxvebTan erTad qedaSi axali suli STabereT saxalxo dResaswaul „Sromis zeims“. im wlebs rogor ixsenebT da dResaswaulis saxecvlilebas `Semodgoma qedaSi~ rogor afasebT?

– dadebiTi tendenciaa. adre `Sromis zeimi~ marTlac SromaSi daRlili xalxis zeimi iyo. axla, roca `Semodgoma qedaSi~ ewoda, ufro sxva elferi da xasiaTi aqvs mas. modian stumrebi dedaqalaqidan, ucxoeTis qveynebidan. maT winaSe wlidan wlamde naoflar-naRvaws warmovaCenT, pirnaTlad vxvdebiT yvelas. uxariaT es dRe qedelebs. rac Seexeba zemoT naxseneb qalbatonebs, maTTan maqvs Zalian kargi da saqmiani urTierToba. vTvli, rom isini TavianTi saqmis warmatebuli profesionalebi arian, romlebic uyvarT da romlebsac afaseben qedaSi. isini Cveni biblioTekisa da RonisZiebebis xSiri stumrebi arian, lia maxaraZe ki Cveni RonisZiebebis ucvleli reJisori da megobaria. saxalxo dResaswaulze Cvens biblioTekas calke kuTxe eTmoba, sadac siaxleebs vTavazobT rogorc adgilobrivebs, ise mobrZanebul stumrebs.

– momaval Taobas ras urCevdiT?

– momaval Taobas vurCev, ikiTxon bevri da gaiRrmaon codnisa da inteleqtis done.

– qedeli axalgazrdebis biblioTekebTan damokidebuleba rogoria?

– axalgazrdebisa da bavSvebis simcires biblioTekaSi ar vuCivi, radgan aqauri studentebi xSirad sargebloben Cveni mdidari wignadi fondiT. bavSvebi ki, gagikvirdebaT da, sabavSvo baRis asakidan gvyavs. isini pedagogebs xSirad dahyavT sabavSvo ganyofilebaSi.

– poet guram arZenaZis SemoqmedebiT saRamoze mkacri kritika gamoTqviT aWaraSi momuSave mwerlebis, Tundac qedelebis misamarTiT, rom maTi wignebi biblioTekebSi ar gaqvT. reagireba rogoria?

– marTalia, sayveduri poet guram arZenaZis misamarTiT gamovTqvi, magram arc mTlad masea saqme. sruli gamocema gvaqvs biblioTekaSi poetebis SoTa ananiZisa, sandro beriZis, rezo TebiZis, fridon xalvaSis, naTela dumbaZis, danarCenebisa ki TiTo-orola. biblioTeka yovelTvis gamoirCeoda Tavisi originaluri RonisZiebebiT. roca poetebisa da mwerlebis wignebi CvenTan inaxeba, RonisZiebis Catarebac advilia, azris gamoTqmac. gvqonda poet rezo TebiZis wignis wardgineba, SevxvdiT poet naTela dumbaZes da ganvixileT misi leqsebi, iubile gadavuxadeT poet anzor lorTqifaniZes. nano SainiZis leqsebis prezentaciac gvqonda, magram ar gvaqvs misi krebulebi. kargi iqneba, Tu TiTo egzemplars mainc dautoveben ara marto biblioTekas, aramed wignierebiT gamorCeul qedelebs.

– cxovrebiseuli gzis ganmeoreba rom SeiZlebodes, isev am gzas airCevdiT Tu. . .

– arc davfiqrdebodi, ise avirCevdi igive profesias. amayi var, rom gavxdi biblioTekaTmcodne.

– axla romeli mwerlis mowveva gaqvT Cafiqrebuli?

– gvsurs, mwerali, kritikosi, publicisti, pedagogi Tamaz abulaZe moviwvioT da mkiTxveli mis wignebs vaziaroT.

– ra mniSvneloba aqvs cocxal SemoqmedTan Sexvedras?

– aseTi Sexvedrebi Semoqmedisa da wignisadmi didi siyvarulis fasad keTdeba.