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21-e saukunis mwvave globaluri gamowvevebis fonze, kidev ufro mniSvnelovani xdeba, ganviTarebis ra gzas airCevs saqarTvelo, ra pozicias gamokveTs da romeli kursis mimdevari iqneba – evrointegraciis Tu isev Zvel yaidaze ganagrZobs cxovrebas, kiTxvaze pasuxs ki qveyanaSi arsebuli viTareba warmoaCens, Tundac is, rom axla sakonstitucio sasamarTloSi prezidentis impiCmentis sakiTxs ganixilaven. garda amisa, uaRresad mniSvnelovania isic, rom qveyanaSi, faqtobrivad, ukve daiwyo 2024 wlis arCevnebisTvis mzadeba.
ramdenad demokratiulad warimarTeba saarCevno procesi da ra SedegiT dasruldeba prezidentis impiCmentis sakiTxis ganxilva, cxadyofs Cvens mentalitets da pozicias – rani varT da risken miviswrafiT, rogori momavali gvinda Cveni qveynisTvis. diax, es procesebi lakmusis funqcias Seasrulebs. amasTan dakavSirebiT, Tavis Tvalsazriss gviziarebs `lelo saqarTvelosTvis~ aWaris organizaciis erT-erTi lideri da sakrebulos wevri vaJa darCia.
– prezidentis impiCmentis sakiTxis ganxilvaze ra azris xarT?
– es sakiTxi axla aqtualuria, sakonstitucio sasamarTlo gadawyvetilebas, savaraudod, 14 oqtombramde miiRebs. rac Seexeba process, erTaderTi axsna aqvs am yvelafers: mmarTveli partia am formiT cdilobs, sabotaJi gamoucxados kandidatis statuss.
– ras gulisxmobT?
– warmoudgeneli ambavia – `qarTuli ocnebis~ mier mxardaWerili kandidatis impiCmentis sakiTxs maT mierve marTuli sasamarTlo ganixilavs. maSin, roca saqarTvelos prezidenti qveynis evrointegraciis kuTxiT mniSvnelovan nabijebs dgams da ruseTis mimarT kritikul, swor gancxadebebs akeTebs, xelisufleba, samwuxarod, amaze araadekvaturad reagirebs. salome zurabiSvils edavebian, rom daarRvia konstitucia da amaSi gulisxmoben mis ucxour vizitebs. arada, Zalian mniSvnelovani Sexvedrebi gamarTa saqarTvelos prezidentma emanuel makronTan, Sarl miSelTan, StainmaierTan. es sami lideri saubrobs, rom aRniSnuli Sexvedrebi iyo umniSvnelovanesi saqarTvelos kandidatis statusis mopovebis gzaze. . . da am dros impiCmentis dawyeba imis gamo, rom prezidenti realurad gadawyvetilebis mimReb pirebs Sexvda, warmoudgenelia sxvanairad Seafaso, Tu ara sabotaJi am gzaze.
– mmarTveli gundis wevrebi acxadeben, rom prezidentma daarRvia konstitucia. . .
– isini bevr rames amboben. Cvens konstituciaSi aris 78-e muxli, romelic yvela konstituciur organos avaldebulebs, Tavisi SesaZleblobebis farglebSi, yvelaferi gaakeTos Cveni qveynis evrointegraciis gzaze. Sesabamisad, prezidenti am muxlis farglebSi moqmedebda da Tvlida, rom misi CarTuloba am formiT sagareo politikaSi mniSvnelovani Sedegis momtani iqneboda, dasavleTis liderebis gamoxmaurebebic amaze metyvelebs.
– Tu sakonstitucio sasamarTlom prezidentis impiCmentis sakiTxi dasaSvebad CaTvala, dasavleTs ra reagireba eqneba?
– sakonstitucio sasamarTlom Tu daadgina, rom prezidentma konstitucia daarRvia, maSin procesi parlamentSi gadadis. imeds vitoveb, rom sakonstitucio sasamarTlo miiRebs im argumentebs, razec prezidentis warmomadgenelebi saubrobdnen. imedia, sakonstitucio sasamarTlo ar SeewinaaRmdegeba im gzas, romelic konstituciis 78-e muxliTaa gansazRvruli.
– parlamentSi Tu gadainacvlebs prezidentis impiCmentis sakiTxi, ra Sedegs elodebiT?
– mogexsenebaT, mmarTvel gunds 88 deputati hyavs sakanonmdeblo organoSi, maT Soris, sateliti partiebis anu `evropeli socialistebis~ CarTulobiT. opoziciidan Tormeti deputati unda iyos Tanaxma impiCmentze, sxvagvarad rom vTqvaT, ori mesamediT miiReba gadawyvetileba, asma deputatma unda dauWiros mxari impiCmentis sakiTxs. vfiqrob, Zalian gauWirdeba mmarTvel partias impiCmentis sisruleSi moyvana. savaraudod, `qarTuli ocneba~ sakmaod did finansur resurss daxarjavs am mimarTebiT. gvaxsovs, mosamarTleebTan dakavSirebuli sakiTxi, roca `nacionaluri moZraobis~ blokiT gasuli wevrebi – CxeiZeebi da maWutaZe iyvnen am procesis mxardamWerebi.
– `nacmoZraobis~ wevrebma ganacxades, rom isini parlamentSi impiCmentis sakiTxis ganxilvas ar daeswrebian. es risi maniSnebelia?
– „nacionaluri moZraobis“ saparlamento wevrebi, savaraudod, ar endobian erTmaneTs, ar arian darwmunebuli, rom viRaca ar dauWers mxars prezidentis impiCments. garda amisa, Semodis mesame prezidentis Sewyalebis sakiTxi, Tumca „nacmoZraoba“ ver iRebs pasuxismgeblobas blokiT Sesul adamianebze da amitomac prezidentis impiCmentis savaraudo ganxilvaSi ar miiReben monawileobas.
– `lelo saqarTvelosTvis~ daeswreba parlamentSi impiCmentis sakiTxze kenWisyras?
– Cveni partia aucileblad daeswreba am process, Tumca mxars ar dauWers impiCments. Cven Riad gvaqvs naTqvami, aseve, es Riad aqvT gacxadebuli es `girCs~, `strategia aRmaSenebls~ da aleko elisaSvilis partias. Sesabamisad, ar gvaqvs aranairi safuZveli, vifiqroT, rom es adamianebi miiReben am procesSi monawileobas da prezidents impiCments gamoucxadeben.
– Tqven uaryofiTad SeafaseT mmarTveli partiis qmedebebi impiCmentTan mimarTebiT, Tumca isini acxadeben, rom demokratiis standartebs icaven. . .
– naTeli ilustracia iyo Jozef borelis viziti saqarTveloSi, romelsac Riad daupirispirda RaribaSvili preskonferenciaze, garda amisa, borelma isaubra 12 rekomendaciis Sesrulebaze. man Tqva, rom srulad Sesrulebulad SegviZlia CavTvloT sami punqti, danarCeni SeiZleba iyos formaluri, an nawilobriv Sesrulebuli. SarSan velodebodiT kandidatis statuss da SarSanve vicodiT, rom es punqtebi Sesasrulebelia. axla ukve meore Sansi gvaqvs, cxra Seusrulebeli punqtia miTiTebuli da warmoudgenelia am kuTxiT mmarTvelma gundma isrebi sxvisken mimarTos.
– „Cven ar vendobiT saqarTvelos prezident zurabiSvils“- ganacxada irakli kobaxiZem. ramdenad mosalodnelia zurabiSvilma saakaSvili Seiwyalos?
– simarTle giTxraT, saakaSvilis Sewyalebas prezidentis mxridan ar velodebi. miuxedavad imisa, rom SesaZloa, mas prezidentis statusTan mimarTebiT safrTxe Seeqmnas, moqmed prezidents mkafiod aqvs naTqvami, rom ar apirebs eqsprezidentis Sewyalebas. garda amisa, mmarTveli partia aris Zala, romelic saakaSvilis Sewyalebis SemTxvevaSi mis mimarT kvlav aRZravs saqmeebs, amitom Sewyalebis instrumenti saakaSvilTan mimarTebiT ara mgonia efeqturi iyos da Tavisufleba moutanos mas.
– amas winaT, `edison riCersma~ tv `formulas~ dakveTiT morigi kvleva Caatara, romlis Tanaxmad, mmarTvel partias mosaxleobis 37 procenti uWers mxars, `nacmoZraobas~ – 22, gaxarias partias – 10. ras fiqrobT?
– kvlevebi Zalian mniSvnelovania, Tumca aTasxuTasian populaciaSi Catarebuli kvleviT ar SeiZleba miviRoT realuri suraTi, gansakuTrebiT, maSin, roca qveyanaSi aris mosmenebi, miyuradeba. 60 procenti sajaro moxelea da isini eridebian Riad opoziciis mxardaWeras, rac aisaxeba kvlevebSi, amitom es cifrebi ar SeiZleba iyos adekvaturi, miT umetes im fonze, roca 32 procenti saerTod uars ambobs gamokiTxvebSi monawileobaze.
– `qarTuli ocneba~ saarCevnod RaribaSvilis da kobaxiZis gundebad daiyofa~, – miiCnevs politologi ramaz sayvareliZe. Tqveni azri rogoria?
– amaze saerTod ar vfiqrob. mmarTveli partia Seecdeba maqsimalur mobilizebas, rom arCevnebze Sedegi dados. mogexsenebaT, arCevnebi proporciuli sistemiT Catardeba da mmarTvel gunds maqsimaluri Sedegi sWirdeba arCevnebSi, rom xelisuflebaSi darCes. Sesabamisad, `qarTul ocnebas~ daSlis fufuneba ar aqvs.
– `nacmoZraobas~ ar awyobs gareT gamosuli saakaSvili, piriqiT, rogorc wamebuli, urCevniaT cixeSi iyos~, – ganacxada analitikosma mamuka gamyreliZem.
– es Zalian cudi da araswori msjelobaa. ar SeiZleba, lideris cixeSi yofna romelime partias uRirdes, Tumca „nacmoZraobis“ nabijebi ar aris mimarTuli iqiTken, rom maqsimalurad ecados prezidentis gaTavisuflebas. sxvaTa Soris, „nacmoZraobis“ moqmedi menejmenti mmarTvelobaSi swored prezidentis gaTavisuflebis lozungiT movida.
– nika meliam, praqtikulad, daaanonsa partiis datoveba da axali platformis Seqmna. . .
– nika melia sakuTari politikuri warsuliT, ra Tqma unda, dakavSirebulia „nacmoZraobasTan“. gamoyofis SemTxvevaSi, didi Sansia imisa, rom man waarTvas amomrCeveli am partias. aq mniSvnelovani iqneba saakaSvilis roli, rogor gaigebs is melias wasvlas partiidan. . . mimaCnia, rom baton melias aqvs garkveuli, maT Soris, eleqtoraluri, adamianuri resursi, romelsac SeuZlia Sedegi dados.
– dResdReobiT opozicia ra stadiaSia da mTavar opoziciur Zalad vis miiCnevT?
– Cven realistebi varT, mocemuloba aseTia – mTavari opoziciuri Zala aris `nacionaluri moZraoba~, Tumca Tavisi nabijebiT es partia am statusis amaRlebaze ar fiqrobs. amis erT-erTi ilustracia iyo amaswinandeli urTierTdapirispireba, rogorc sityvieri, ise fizikuri. garda amisa, `gamarjvebis platformis~ (`nacmoZraoba~, `strategia aRmaSenebeli~) mizansac didad ver viazreb. ufro mgonia, rom `strategia aRmaSenebelma~ gadairCina Tavi, vidre `nacmoZraobam~ miiRo sxva sargebeli am procesidan imitom, rom `strategia aRmaSenebels~ barieris gadalaxva Zalian gauWirdeboda. amiT man siaSi ramdenime adgili dajavSna. am mxriv, patara partiebis amocanaa, rac SeiZleba meti xma miiRon arCevnebSi, vgulisxmob prodasavlur partiebs. Cven unda vecadoT, rom 2016 wlis arCevnebis msgavsad, es xmebi ar daikargos. maSin amomrCevlis 20 procentis xma daikarga imis gamo, rom barieri partiebma ver gadalaxes. ase rom ar moxdes, maqsimalurad unda SeZlon patara partiebma centrebis SeTavazeba da gaerTianeba.
– Tqveni partia calke apirebs arCevnebSi gasvlas Tu Seecdeba axali platformis Seqmnas?
– konsultaciebi gvaqvs am mimarTulebiT. Cven vTqviT, rom alternatiuli centris Seqmna gvinda da vepatiJebiT am brZolaSi im partiebs, romlebic CvenTan saTanamSromlod xedaven gzebs. „girCs“ da „droas“ vTavazobdiT CvenTan mosvlas ara imitom, rom zemodan gveyurebina maTTvis, aq aris teqnikuri sakiTxi – arCevnebSi Cveni nomeria cxra, kvalificiuri subieqti varT, rac niSnavs olqSi, ceskoSi warmomadgenlebs, komisiis wevrebs sxvadasxva ubanze, es qmnis ufaso politikur reklamas da imitom gvinda SemogvierTdnen es adamianebi, rom aseTi saqmianobisTvis damatebiTi resursi arsebobdes. rogorc cnobilia, „girCi“ da „droa“ ar arian kvalificiuri subieqtebi, es resursi Cven gagvaCnia, maT Soris, komisiis wevrebi, rac Zalian mniSvnelovania. gaerTianebaze, am etapze, verafers getyviT, Tumca is ki SemiZlia giTxaraT, rom „lelo saqarTvelosTvis“ arCevnebSi monawileobas miiRebs rogorc nomeri 9, Cven am nomriT SevalT 2024 wlis arCevnebSi.
– rogor ggoniaT, mmarTveli partia meoTxedac SeZlebs arCvenebis mogebas da xelisuflebaSi darCenas?
– bolo periodSi arCevnebSi mmarTvel partias amomrCevlis 50-procentiani mxardaWera ar hqonia. `qarTulma ocnebam~ unda aiRos 50 procents plus erTi xma, rom 76 mandati miiRos. bolo dros, mmarTveli partiis reitingi, yvela kvleviT, iklebs. am mxriv, Zalian mniSvnelovania, miviRebT Tu ara kandidatis statuss. cxadia, miuReblobis SemTxvevaSi mmarTveli gundis reitingi kidev ufro daiwevs da es bunebrivi ambavia. . . Tu opozicia dakargavs xmebs barieris gamo, maSin mmarTvel partias SeeZleba 40 procentiTac daakompleqtos mTavroba. Cven amis SesaZlebloba ar unda mivceT maT da yvelaferi gavakeToT, rom prodasavluri xmebi ar darCes haerSi.
– am mxriv, arCevnebSi amomrCevlis aqtiuroba ramdenad mniSvnelovania?
– ra Tqma unda, amomrCevlis aqtiuroba yvelaze mniSvnelovani faqtoria. vnaxeT, rom 2012 wlis arCevnebSi mosaxleobis aqtiurobam gardamtexi roli Seasrula „nacmoZraobis“ sawinaaRmdegod.
– wlis miwuruls qveyana evrokomisiisgan elodeba verdiqts kandidatis statusTan dakavSirebiT. ra molodini gaqvT?
– am mxriv, Zalian mniSvnelovania prezidentis impiCmentis sakiTxi. mmarTvelma partiam Tu miaRwia imas, rom salome zurabiSvili gadaayena (romelic yvelaze didi legitimaciis mqone adamiania saqarTveloSi), es pirdapiri boikotireba iqneba Cveni dasavluri kursisa, vgulisxmob kandidatis statusis vermiRebas.
– sxvaTa Soris, mmarTveli partiis erT–erTi lideri irakli kobaxiZe acxadebs, rom prezidenti sabotaJs uwyobs evropul kurss. . .
– piriqiT, prezidenti am bolo dros swor mesijebs axmovanebs sagareo kuTxiT. Tu prezidentis impiCmenti sisruleSi mova, amas negatiuri reaqcia mohyveba dasavleTis mxridan. imedia, Cveni dasavleli partniorebi gaiazreben mocemulobas, maT Soris, geopolitikur viTarebas msoflioSi da saqarTvelos ar datoveben am procesis miRma.
– aris Tu ara momavali arCevnebi da misi Sedegi istoriuli mniSvnelobis?
– 2024 wlis arCevnebi Tavisi mniSvnelobiT SeiZleba gavutoloT 2012 wlis arCevnebs, vxedavT, rom ruseTma afxazeTSi sazRvao bazis ganTavseba ganizraxa. es, faqtobrivad, qveynis omSi CaTrevaa ruseTis mxridan imitom, rom SesaZlebelia, ukrainam am bazaze ieriSi miitanos da es niSnavs, rom saqarTvelos aRiarebul teritoriaze ukve saomari procesebi ganxorcieldeba, amis iniciatori ki ruseTi iqneba. diax, momavali arCevnebi gadamwyveti mniSvnelobisaa, aq aris ori arCevani – gvsurs ruseTi Tu dasavleTi, anu sad xedavs mosaxleoba sakuTar Tavs, Tavisi Svilebis momavals. Tu amaze pasuxi iqneba, rom mosaxleobas isev „qarTuli ocneba“ urCevnia, ara mgonia, es arCevani qarTuli saxelmwifoebriobisTvis sasikeTo iyos.
