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2023 weli ukve istoriis kuTvnileba gaxda. am wlis mTavari movlena saqarTvelosTvis evrokavSiris wevrobis kandidati qveynis statusis moniWeba iyo, rac sagareo politikis umniSvnelovanesi miRwevaa da Tavis keTil kvals saSinao politikaSic aRbeWdavs. nakisri valdebulebebis Sesasruleblad axla saWiroa mizanmimarTuli Sroma rogorc mmarTveli gundis, ise opoziciuri partiebis mxridan. rogori suraTia am mimarTulebiT? urTierTdapirispireba da gansxvavebuli Tvalsazrisi politikosebs Soris, romelic am etapze ikveTeba, kiTxvebs aRZravs. maTze pasuxisTvis `lelo saqarTvelosTvis~ aWaris organizaciis erT-erT liders, baTumis sakrebulos wevr vaJa darCias mivmarTeT.
– politikuri da ekonomikuri kuTxiT, rogor SeafasebT ganvlil wels?
– 2023 weli saqarTvelosTvis mniSvnelovani movlenebiT iyo gamorCeuli: saqarTvelom miiRo kandidatis statusi, bolo wlebSi Cvens qveyanas ar hqonia aseTi warmateba sagareo kuTxiT. vulocav Cvens mosaxleobas am warmatebas. garda amisa, gverds ver avuvliT arasaxarbielo movlenebs. samwuxarod, isev grZeldeboda polarizacia, sanqciebi mosamarTlebis mimarT. aRsaniSnavia martis aqciebi xelisuflebis winaaRmdeg. amave dros opoziciaSi gadaadgilebebi xdeboda. xazgasasmelia isic, rom mZime weli iyo mmarTveli gundisTvis, radgan saerTaSoriso partniorebma niRabi Camoxsnes maT ruseTTan kavSirebis mimarTulebiT.
– biZina ivaniSvili wlis bolos dabrunda politikaSi. ras fiqrobT am sakiTxze?
– es niSnavs, rom `qarTul ocnebas~ Sida kvlevebis Sedegebi ar moewona, biZina ivaniSvilis `mesame mosvla~ dasturia imisa, rom is aqamdec arsad wasula da yvela gadawyvetileba, romelic aqamde miiReboda mmarTveli gundis mier, SeTanxmebuli iyo masTan. es misi gancxadebiTac dasturdeba. depolarizaciis nacvlad `qarTuli ocneba~ isev cdilobs winasaarCevno periodSi maqsimalurad polarizebuli garemos Seqmnas da isev saubrobs imaze, rom biZina da miSaa dRes arCevani. ar gamovricxav, rom mixeil saakaSvilic daabrunon politikur velze da isev am formiT Seecadon sakuTari dabali reitingis momatebas. biZina ivaniSvilis es nabijic amis naTeli dadasturebaa.
– xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebi acxadeben, rom opoziciis SeniSvnebi usafuZvloa da qveyana viTardeba. . .
– qveynis ekonomikis zrdis mniSvnelovani faqtori rusi moqalaqeebis migraciaa saqarTveloSi, rac problemuria qveynisTvis. ver uarvyofT im faqts, rom xelisuflebasTan daaxloebuli adamianebi Souloben did fuls, xolo Cveulebrivi moqalaqe Raribia da am ekonomikur xeirs ver grZnobs.
– opoziciis maxasiaTebelia xelisuflebis kritika da rCevebis micema sxvadasxva sakiTxze. Tqveni partiis SeniSvnebi ramdenad argumentirebulia?
– saqarTvelos parlamentsa da baTumis sakrebuloSi arcerTi Cveni iniciativa ar aris ganxiluli. magaliTad, saqarTvelos parlamentSi gvqonda wardgenili saqarTvelos Tavdacvis aqti, romelic gulisxmobs SezRudvebs rusul biznesTan, moqalaqeebTan mimarTebiT, aseve savizo reJimis da saokupacio mosakreblis dawesebas. samwuxarod, es yvelaferi ignorirebuli iyo mmarTveli gundis mxridan.
– mizezad ra daasaxeles?
– gviTxres, faSistebi xarTo, uazro argumentebi hqondaT am mimarTebiT.
– rakiRa opozicia vaxseneT, minda gkiTxoT, dResdReobiT ra stadiaSia opoziciuri speqtri?
– Zalian Wrelia opozicia fiqroben, rom opoziciac erT qvabSi ixarSeba, magram ase ar aris, yvelas Tavisi dRis wesrigi aqvs. magaliTad, Cven vcdilobT, gavZlierdeT individualurad. ramdenime dRis win gvqonda sakmaod warmomadgenlobiTi yriloba, avirCieT ganaxlebuli politsabWo. . . regionebSic aqtiurad vcdilobT damoukidebelad gaZlierebas, Tumca Cven Ria varT TanamSromlobisTvis. saparlamento saqmianobaSi opoziciur partiebTan aqtiurad vTanamSromlobT.
– eqspertebi acxadeben, rom jerjerobiT opozicia ver qmnis dRis wesrigs qveyanaSi da mxolod satelevizio opoziciad gadaiqca. . .
– samwuxarod, problemebi opoziciaSi TvalsaCinoa, Tumca rTulia dRis wesrgis Seqmna maSin, roca xelisuflebaSi gyavs Zala, romelic Sens arcerT iniciativas warmomadgenlobiT organoSi ar iTvaliswinebs. miuxedavad amisa, vcdilobT sazogadoebas davanaxoT, Tu ras gavakeTebT xelisuflebaSi mosvlis SemTxvevaSi. Cven xelisufleba, sxva partiebisgan gansxvavebiT, koaliciuri warmogvidgenia da am koaliciaSi CvenTvis ra sakiTxebi iqneba mniSvnelovani, amaze yovelTvis vesaubrebiT sazogadoebas.
– konkretulad ra sakiTxebia Tqveni partiisTvis aqtualuri?
– unda aRmoifxvras polarizacia, gaumjobesdes ekonomikuri mdgomareoba, qmediTi nabijebi gadaidgas okupirebuli teritoriebis deokupaciis kuTxiT, aseve, evrokavSirTan daaxloeba maqsimalurad unda daCqardes, anu davewioT moldovasa da ukrainas. Cveni mizania, arCevnebamde rogorme SevZloT uxmod darCenili emigrantebi arCevnebSi CavrToT, es aris Cveni centraluri xazi, anu SevZloT emigrantebis saarCevno procesSi CarTva, rac moldovis magaliTze gamoCnda, rom gadamwyvetic ki iyo. qveynidan wasuli emigranti veranairad iqneba `qarTuli ocnebis~ mxardamWeri, gansakuTrebiT im fonze, roca gasul wels asi aTasze meti moqalaqe gavida qveynidan.
– ras ityviT `nacmoZraobaSi~ ganviTarebul movlenebze?
– Cvenma partiam ramdenime dRis win Caatara Sida arCevnebi da amiT mxolod da mxolod gaZlierda `nacmoZraobisgan~ gansxvavebiT, romelic, faqtobrivad, Sida arCevnebma daSala. ra Tqma unda, es saerTo opoziciur vels azaralebs, Tumca gamoyofili frTa, nika meliasi, aanonsebs axali partiis Seqmnas.
– Tqveni partia iTanamSromlebs nika melias axal partiasTan?
– Cven vapirebT TanamSromlobas nika meliasTan, Tumca es ar iqneba saarCevno koalicia. vmuSaobT imaze, rom ,,lelo saqarTvelosTvis~ saarCevno nomeri iyos 9 imitom, rom (igive nika melias gundis da sxva opoziciuri Zalebisgan gansxvavebiT, romlebic gaerTianebaze saubroben) Cven varT kvalificiuri subieqti, Sesabamisad, kvalificiuri subieqtoba sxvadasxva saxis benefits gvaZlevs, magaliTad, ufaso politikur reklamas, warmomadgenlebs saarCevno ubnebSi… amitom sxva saxiT arCevnebze gasvla pirdapir gvaclis xelidan am benefitebs. ara mgonia, swori iyos, sakuTar Tavs amxela resursi gamoacalo.
– am dromde mTavari opoziciuri Zala `nacmoZraoba~ iyo, maTi daSla ramdenad daazianebs am partias saarCevnod?
– `nacionaluri moZraoba~ Zalian dazianebulia. maT, faqtobrivad, yvela did qalaqSi gamoeyo mniSvnelovani birTvi, maT Soris sakrebulos wevrebi, magaliTad, baTumSi sakrebulos Svidma wevrma datova `nacmoZraoba~, zugdidSi, Tu ar vcdebi – Tormetma. es mosalodneli iyo – warmoudgenelia, sxva damokidebuleba iyos im partiis mimarT, romelSic abruneben adamianebs, am qveynis umravlesobas rom ezizReba (vgulisxmob vano merabiSvils da daviT kezeraSvils), miT umetes, mixeil saakaSvili cixeSia, iq ra ambebi Sedis da ra informacia gamodis, kaciSvilma ar icis, amitom `nacmoZraobas~, rogorc aRvniSne, mZime dReebi udgas.
– am bolo dros saqarTvelos prezidenti xSirad akritikebs mmarTvel partias, xom ar aris mosalodneli man axali opoziciuri platforma Seqmnas?
– ki, aris saubrebi, Tumca ara mgonia, es realoba iyos. saparlamento arCevnebamde (vadebSi) salome zurabiSvili prezidenti iqneba da Sesabamisad, Tu is axal partias Seqmnis, unda datovos es Tanamdeboba, rac pirdapir niSnavs mmarTveli gundisTvis damatebiTi resursis micemas, vinaidan `qarTuli ocnebis~ mier daniSnuli xmosnebiT arCeuli prezidenti iqneba maTi mxardamWeri. unda aRvniSno, rom saqarTvelos prezidentis didi motrfiale arasdros vyofilvar, Tumca am bolo dros namdvilad gansxvavebul nabijebs dgams mmarTvel gundTan mimarTebiT. vnaxeT, rom Zalian mkacri gancxadeba gaakeTa, ( mouwoda saerTaSoriso partniorebs, dagmon ruseTis sazRvao bazis mSenebloba oCamCireSi), razec Cvens premiers ar gaukeTebia komentari.
– qveynisTvis yvelaze mniSvnelovani movlena iyo kandidatis statusis miniWeba, Tqveni azri amis Sesaxeb. . .
– cxadia, saqarTvelosTvis mniSvnelovani ambavi iyo kandidatis statusis miReba, raSic umniSvnelovanesi wvlili Cvens mosaxleobas da gansakuTrebiT Cvens axalgazrdebs miuZRviT.
– sxvaTa Soris, mmarTveli partia acxadebs, rom maTi damsaxurebaa, saqarTvelos kandidatis statusi rom mieniWa, ras fiqrobT?
– cxadia, xelisufleba amas ityvis, maTgan es arcaa gasakviri, Tumca faqtebi sxvaze metyveleben. roca mogvaniWes kandidatis statusi, Riad Tqves, rom es aris qarTveli xalxis damsaxureba da xelisuflebis wvlili amaSi ar aris imitom, rom gvaxsovs, jer gvaramia daiWires, roca kandidatis statuss velodebodiT, aseve vnaxeT, rom statusis miniWebis molodinSi saqarTvelos prezidentis impiCmenti daiwyes. garda amisa, sanqcirebuli mosamarTleebi daawinaures, mokled, nabijebi ukuRma gadadges.
– sagareo sakiTxsac SevexoT, amJamad ra fazaa ruseT–ukrainis omSi da xom ar grCebaT STabeWdileba, rom dasavleTi omis dakonservebas cdilobs?
– mniSvnelovani kiTxvaa. samwuxarod, Cvens regionSi gayinuli konfliqtebi axali ar aris, Tumca am konfliqtis dakonservebis mcdeloba ar ikveTeba, gansakuTrebiT ukrainis poziciidan gamomdinare. ukrainis prezidenti zelenski aqtiurad muSaobs, rom gaizardos ukrainis dafinanseba, maT Soris SeiaraRebis kuTxiT. SeiZleba es (anu omis gayinva) iyos samomavlo perspeqtiva, Tumca am etapze omi cxel fazaSia, yoveldRe asobiT adamiani iRupeba, nadgurdeba infrastruqtura. imeds vitoveb, rom ukraina miiyvans am saqmes bolomde da Tavis teritoriul mTlianobas SeinarCunebs. mTeli msoflio ebrZvis ruseTs da am SemTxvevaSi ruseTi ver SeZlebs msofliosTan brZolas, TiTqmis mesame welia, omi mimdinareobs da ruseTs araTu winsvla, ukusvla aqvs sxvadasxva mimarTulebiT.
– wlis miwuruls saparlamento arCevnebi gaimarTeba. Tqveni partia ras sTavazobs amomrCevels?
– 2024 weli aris gadamwyveti, vgulisxmob saparlamento arCevnebs, romelic mniSvnelovani iqneba mravali faqtoridan gamomdinare, rogorc ki am qveyanaSi koaliciuri mTavroba iqneba, Cven vpirdebiT mosaxleobas, rom samidan eqvs Tvemde vadaSi, evrokavSirTan daviwyebT saubars gawevrianebis Sesaxeb. es aris Cveni mTavari daTqma. garda amisa, konkretuli saarCevno gegma gvaqvs – `marSalis gegmis~ ganaxlebuli varianti. sazogadoebas SevTavazebT, magaliTad, aWaraSi ra sargebels naxavs mosaxleoba igive soflis meurneobis anu meTambaqoeobis, mecitruseobis, kaxeTSi – meRvineobis mimarTulebiT. mokled, regionis specifikidan gamomdinare, Cvens mosaxleobas SevTavazebT programas, romelSic is Tavis Tavs dainaxavs.
– dabolos, rogori iqneba ZalTa gadanawileba momaval parlamentSi?
– Cven Tu SevZlebT, rom arCevnebze xmebi minimalurad daikargos, maSin gvaqvs Sansi, xelisufleba Seicvalos, winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi, Tu Cven opoziciuri xmebis 15-20 procenti davkargeT, mmarTvel gunds SesaZloa 40 procenti eyos xelisuflebis SesanarCuneblad. amitom am mimarTebiT unda imuSaos opoziciam. Tu oTxi-xuTi opoziciuri Zala gadalaxavs saarCevno bariers, es, didi albaTobiT, niSnavs, rom xelisufleba 2024 wels arCevnebze Seicvleba, anu iqneba koaliciuri mTavroba. garda amisa, partiis TiToeulma liderma unda aiRos pasuxismgebloba, rom mis siaSi myofi adamianebi ar gaiyidebian. mjera, Cveni mosaxleoba swor arCevans gaakeTebs arCevnebze da qveyanas eyoleba koaliciuri mTavroba, romlis umTavresi sazrunavi qveynis aRorZineba iqneba.
