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am qveynis momavali axalgazrdebSia, axalgazrdebi ki gansazRvraven qveynis samomavlo politikur aminds, Sesabamisad, maTi azri da miswrafebebi Cveni qveynisTvis umniSvnelovanesia. aucilebelia gadawyvetilebebis miRebis dros axalgazrdebis xmac ismodes. sazogadoebis nawils miaCnia, rom axalgazrdebi politikaSi imitom ki ar midian, rom garkveuli politikuri partiis ideas da miswrafebebs iziareben, aramed warmatebisa da cnobadobisken pirvel nabijebs dgamen. Tu saqarTveloSi politikur dRis wesrigs davakvirdebiT, ar gagviWirdeba imis SemCneva, rom partiebSi axali saxeebi naklebad arian, magram sainteresoa, ase ratom xdeba, rodesac piriqiT, axali sisxli sWirdeba sakmaod Zvel da ukve yvelasTvis kargad nacnob partiebs.
dRes gagacnobT axalgazrdas, romelic Riad aris CarTuli qarTul politikaSi da aqtiurad gamoxatavs azrs sxvadasxva sakiTxze. es Temo tarielaZe gaxlavT, partia `saqarTvelosTvis~ baTumis axalgazrduli frTis xelmZRvaneli, bsu-is samarTalmcodneobis studenti, romelsac axalgazrdebis politikaSi CarTulobaze vesaubreT.
– politika `binZur saqmed~ miiCneva da axalgazrdebi piriqiT, unda cdilobdnen, rom ar iyvnen politikis nawili. ra aris politikuri partiebis axalgazrdul frTebSi gawevrianebis mTavari mizezi?
– politika damalobanas TamaSs hgavs, viRac arakeTilsindisierad SeiZleba TamaSobdes – droze adre gaixilos, TvlaSi moityuos. vin rogor iTamaSebs, moTamaSeebzea damokidebuli da ara – TamaSze. TamaSs Tavisi wesebi aqvs, ramac realurad misi sworad warmarTva unda uzrunvelyos. dRes bevri politikosi TamaSis araswori wesebiT rom moqmedebs, faqtia. ar SeiZleba, umaRles sakanonmdeblo organoSi mikrofonebiT muSketerobanas TamaSi, qalebTan polemikaSi Seusvleloba an mediaSi qarTveli xalxis Tvalwin gineba swor da jansaR politikur procesad aRviqvaT. cxadia, es realoba axalgazrdas, romlis mizani ara politikuri plusebis dawera, aramed sakuTari inteleqtualuri (da ara marto) resursis qveynis sakeTildReod maqsimalurad gamovlenaa, ar moewoneba da arc unda moewonos, magram swored es armowoneba unda iyos misi politikaSi CarTvis mizezi. amboben – `Termometris damalviT arc sicxe daiwevs da arc avadmyofoba ganikurnebao~, mogvwons, Tu ar mogvwons, dro midis, warmavali wava da dadgeba momenti, roca am qveynis marTvis sadaveebi axali Taobebis xelSi unda gadavides, es istoriis kanonzomierebaa. maS, vinme arsaidan mosulma unda aiRos es sadave xelSi? nuTu, SegviZlia, ase, haerSi davtovoT Cveni qveynis bedi? Cven pasuxismgebloba gvaqvs da yvelaferi unda gavakeToT, rom Cvens Semdeg momsvlelebs raRac ukeTesi davaxvedroT, yovel SemTxvevaSi, gaZarcvuli ara, rogorsac Cven gvaxvedreben korufcioneri politikosebi. `politikis sibinZurec~ maTi motanilia da swored maTi survilia, axalgazrdebi ar CaerTon politikaSi. zogadad, axalgazrdulma organizaciebma unda itvirTon pasuxismgebloba, partiebma politika iseTi wesebiT awarmoon, rom igi `binZur saqmed~ ki ar darCes, aramed gadaiqces iaraRad xalxis xelSi da moqalaqeebisTvis ukeTesi garemos Seqmnis garanti gaxdes. politikis ,,binZuri wesebis“ Secvla da xedvis kuTxed ara politikosebis, aramed xalxis interesebis arCeva unda iyos axalgazrdebis politikaSi mosvlis mizezic da mizanic. Tu axalgazrda ar dakavdeba politikiT, maSin politika dakavdeba misiT.
– sazogadoebaSi arsebobs azri, rom politikuri partiebi xSirad manipulireben TavianTi axalgazrduli frTebiT, radgan partiul elitas ar surs skandalSi gaxveva da e.w. gadabraleba xdeba axalgazrdebze. ramdenad eTanxmebiT am pozicias?
– axalgazrdebze, ara, zogadad, yvelaze gadabraleba es kuTxeSi mimwyvdeuli, tyuilSi gamoWerili politikosebis maneraa. ra Tqma unda, roca axalgazrdul organizacias qmnian imisTvis, rom maTi `trol-botebad~ gamoiyenon, axalgazrdebis saSualebiT viRacebi daamciron an TavianTi egoebi kvebon, am axalgazrdebs ki raRac obieqturi an subieqturi mizezebis gamo protestis gamoxatvac ar SeuZliaT, maTi manipulireba, maTze talaxiani xelebis Sewmenda martivia, Tumca talaxiani rCeba is xeli, romelic am talaxs isvris. konkretul partiebs ar davasaxeleb, bevrad kargi iqneba, TavianT Tavs Tu amoicnoben, magram Cems gundze SemiZlia visaubro. CvenTan imis saSiSroeba, rom `zevidan~ viRac `qveviT~ vinmes rames daabralebs, xels Seawmends, ubralod, ar arsebobs, radgan CvenTan terminebi zeviT-qveviT, frTa, kiseri ar arsebobs, erTi ojaxi varT, ojaxis wevrebi ki erTmaneTs gansxvavebuli azris gamo damcirebisTvis an sakuTari Tavis skandalebisgan aridebisTvis ar viyenebT. Cven skandalebisTvis arc gvcalia. rac unda gasakviri iyos, yvelani erTad – axalgazrdebi, politsabWos wevrebi, deputatebi, mxardamWerebi vsxedvarT da ara romelime oponentze Tavdasxmas vgegmavT, samuSao dRis wesrigs vadgenT, xalxis problemebze vsaubrobT da maTi gadaWris gzebs veZebT.
– ratom – partia `saqarTvelosTvis~?
– zogadad, Sedegze orientirebuli politika Tanmimdevrulia. ar SeiZleba, xalxi moatyuo sakmaod mimzidveli dapirebebiT, ufaso fuliT, gasammagebuli pensiiT, or dReSi `aduRebuli~ ekonomikiT da a.S. is, rom mokle droSi raRacebi, ubralod, SeuZlebelia, yvelam kargad icis, Tumca arakeTilsindisier politikosebs ar aqvT imis kompleqsi, rom xval Seusrulebeli dapirebebis gamo qarTveli xalxisTvis TvalebSi Caxedva mouwevT. ras vpirdebiT Cven xalxs? axali velosipedis gamogonebas namdvilad ara. is resursi, romelic realurad arsebobs saxelmwifoSi turizmis, saerTaSoriso grantebis, import-eqsportis meSveobiT, ramdenime Cinovnikis jibeSi ki ar daileqos, qarTveli xalxisTvis ukeTesi sacxovrebeli garemos Seqmnas moxmardes. yvela laparakobs raRac diad miznebze, konstituciiT aRebul valdebulebaze. es gulisxmobs, rom xelisuflebam gaakeTos yvelaferi, raTa saqarTvelo marTlac samarTleblivi da socialuri saxelmwifo gaxdes. aravin ambobs, qarTvel xalxs Rirsebas davubrunebo, gana, riTi gansxvavdebian Cveni moxucebi frangi moxucebisgan an ra sxvaobaa qarTvel da germanel students Soris? am kiTxvebs bolos movuRebT, oRond ara fantastikis Janris Tavgadasavlebis kiTxviT, aramed Tanmimdevruli da qarTvel xalxTan erToblivi muSaobiT.
– arapolitikuri TvaliT rom SevxedoT, raSi xedavT Cveni qveynis gamosavals?
– gamosavali politikuradac da arapolitikuradac erTia. Tqveni kiTxva erT Zalian popularul kiTxvas – `gveSveleba rame~ – hgavs. Cven sakuTar TavSi unda veZeboT saSveli da gamosavali, rogorc abraam linkolni ityoda. `am qveyanaSi sazogadoebrivi azri yvelafers niSnavs~. Tu CvenTan ase araa, gvaqvs berketi, rom es ase iyos, ubralod, unda viswavloT, rom Tu gvinda SevdgeT sazogadoebad, yovel 4 weliwadSi erTxel arCevnebze viaroT. Tavs Zala davatanoT, rom CvenSi momZlavrebul nihilizms gavumklavdeT da mivxvdeT, Cvens biuletens Zala rom aqvs, iseTive Zala, rogoric did auditoriaSi pirveli adamianis taSs, romelsac xSirad didi ovaciebi mohyveba. esaa Cveni siZlieris garanti da Cveni realuri evrointegraciis saTave.
– vxedavT, rom partiebi mudmivad cdiloben axali wevrebis damatebas da partiis e.w. gaaxalgazrdavebas, magram mainc sul erTi da imave saxeebs vxedavT. ratom ver axerxeben axalgazrdebi qarTul politikaSi fexis mokidebas?
– e.i. sakmarisad ar cdiloben, ubralod, gvatyueben, Torem rogor SeiZleba, raRac ase Zalian gindodes da ar gamogivides? ai, naxeT, Cveni partiis feisbuqgverdi, Tvali adevneT gaxarias da politikuri sabWos wevrebis Sexvedrebs, SegiZliaT, naxoT Cveni partiis saparlamento gundi da naTlad dainaxavT, rom es sityvebi, axalgazrdebis politikaSi CarTvaze litoni sulac araa. survili ar maqvs, visaubro sxva partiebis axalgazrdul organizaciebze da, zogadad, axalgazrdebis adgilze sxva politikur partiebSi. rogorc Cans, amaze Tavad saubroben TavianTi saqmeebiT, es Tqvens kiTxvaSic aRiniSna, Tqven xom xedavT, rom bevri arCevnebamdec ityueba.
– samwuxarod, politikuri polarizacia dResac Zalian aqtualuri Temaa. cota rom ganvmuxtoT es sakiTxi, ra dainaxeT am bolo wlebSi kargi `qarTuli ocnebis~ moqmedebaSi?
– saqme isaa, rom `qarTuli ocnebis~ miRwevevis arsebobis SemTxvevaSi, maTi danaxva-ardanaxviT es sakiTxi ar ganimuxteba. zogadad, opozicia eZaxis maT, modiT, davsxdeT, visaubroTo. es nacadi xerxia, qarTvelebs gviyvars saubari. giorgi gaxariam sul axalaxan gamoiwvia batoni biZina ivaniSvili debatebSi, mesmis misi, ar unda, rom gaxarias edebatos, magram swored es unda dagvanaxos `qarTulma ocnebam~ da, zogadad, qarTulma politikurma speqtrma, swored es unda iyos polarizaciis ganmuxtvis mTavari amocana – sakuTar survilebze, principebze, patar-patara simarTleebze maRla samSoblo davayenoT. ar aris mTavari, vis ra moswons. roca politikaSi xar, Tanac, rogorc ambob, sakmaod sapatio adgili giWiravs xalxis TvalSi, xalxisTvis momgebianad unda moqmedebde da ara sakuTari egos dasakmayofileblad, magram mainc `qarTuli ocnebis~ bolo wlebis yvelaze karg da qveynisTvis momgebian miRwevad imas vTvli, rom amomrCevlisTvis zedapirze amoativtives simarTle tyuilebis Sesaxeb.
– ras xedavT qarTvel politikosebSi dadebiTs da uaryofiTs?
– ori tipis politikosebs vicnob: erTi mxare Zalauflebis xelSi Cagdebiskenaa midrekili, gandidebis maniiTaa Sepyrobili – maTTvis mniSvnelovani beladoba, gakerpeba da gaRmerTebaa, meore mxares ki ubralo da uSualo, xalxidan wamosuli adamianebi dganan, romelTa mizanic politikuri karieris Semdeg mSvidi cxovrebaa. beladomanebs mSvidad ar sZinavT. CemTvis yvelaze dadebiTi, rac SeiZleba politikoss hqondes, gandidebis survilis arqonaa, yvelaze uaryofiTi ki -piriqiT.
– rogor fiqrobT, ra gamowvevis winaSea Cveni qveyana?
– Zalian bevri gamowvevaa, Tumca yvelaze mniSvnelovani depolarizaciaa, am gamowvevis miReba ki mxolod qarTvel xalxs SeuZlia, radgan cxadia, politikosebs es, minimum, ar surT. arCevnebma unda gadawyvitos depolarizaciis sakiTxi, qarTvelma xalxma erT magidasTan unda dasvas mTeli politikuri speqtri da amis Semdeg ukve SeiZleba saubari evrointegraciaze anu saqarTvelos gaZlierebaze, faqtobriv damoukideblobaze, risi garantic, pirvel rigSi, damoukidebeli ekonomikaa, risi miRwevac qveyanaSi arsebuli korufciiT SeuZlebelia.
– opoziciis garkveuli nawili Tqvens partias miiCnevs fsevdoopoziciad, aseve miiCneva, rom Tqveni partiis amomrCeveli, ZiriTadad, `qarTuli ocnebis~ amomrCevelia. ramdenad eTanxmebiT am mosazrebas?
– es azri opoziciis Tqven mier naxseneb nawils bevr saintereso rameSi amxels. biZina ivaniSvils akerpeben, aviwydebaT, rom isic CvensaviT mokvdavia da superZala ar aqvs, magram sabednierod, qarTveli xalxi maT ar hgavs. meore saintereso momentia, Cveni partiis fsevdoobaze vinc saubrobs, ras fiqrobs, realuria ki aw ukve daqucmacebuli `nacionaluri moZraobisa~ da `strategia aRmaSeneblis~ gaurkveveli pozicionireba? xan erTni varTo, xan sxvadasxvao. ise ki opoziciis nawilisa da poziciis ideuri Tanxvedra amomrCevels saintereso daskvnebs gamoataninebs. amomrCevels rac Seexeba, maTTvis partiuli iarliyebis mikvra CemTvis calsaxad miuRebelia! amomrCeveli partiebs saxelwodebebis gamo ar aZlevs xmas. Cveni partiis mxardamWerebi Cveni partiis gegmis mxardamWerebi arian, adamianebi, romlebsac mobezrdaT `qarTuli ocnebisa~ da `nacionaluri moZraobis~ romani.
– samomavlod ra gegmebi gaqvT?
– axla mTavaria, rac SeiZleba meti adamiani CaerTos 2024 wlis arCevnebSi. yvelam yvelaferi unda gavakeToT, rom pirvel rigSi, xalxi saarCevno ubnebze mivides da Semdeg Cveni moqalaqeebis xmebi davicvaT. gegma patara ar aris, Cveni gegmebi dafaruli isedac ar yofila da zogierTisgan gansxvavebiT, ar gvaqvs opoziciidan saqmis keTebis kompleqsi. gvesmis, rom opoziciac xelisuflebis nawilia da umravlesobaSi yofna ar aris erTaderTi saSualeba, imoqmedo qveynis sakeTildReod. ase rom, gviyureT, awmyoSi ras vakeTebT, rogor viTxovT kanonis winaSe yvelas Tanasworobas eqsprezidentis magaliTze, daakvirdiT, rogor da ratom vsaubrobT prezidentis pirdapiri arCevis wesis dabrunebaze, ra sarCeli Segvaqvs prokuraturaSi elituri korufciis SemTxvevebis gamo, ratom gvinda saubari oponentebTan da vfiqrob, samomavlo gegmebic naTeli gaxdeba.
