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baTumis SoTa rusTavelis saxelmwifo universitetis niko berZeniSvilis kvleviTi institutis xelmZRvaneloba, mecnier- muSakebi aqtiurad muSaoben aWarisa da mezobeli TurqeTis respublikis sacavebSi. aq da mosaxleobaSi mopovebuli mniSvnelovani masalebis damuSavebis Semdeg isini samzeoze gamoaqvT. am da sxva procesebze institutis direqtori, istoriis doqtori, profesori roin malaymaZe gvesaubreba.
– batono roin, sazogadoeba kalendarul wels rom aiTvlis, yvela Seecdeba, wasuls fasi naSrom–naamagariT daudos. Tqvendami daqvemdebarebuli institutis mecnierebma ra kvali datoves?
– 2023 weli bsu-is niko berZeniSvilis institutis mecnier-TanamSromlebisaTvis nayofieri da saTanado miRwevebiT gamorCeuli iyo. fundamentur-akademiur kvlevebTan erTad, wels pirvelad ganvaxorcieleT saerTaSoriso eTno-arqeologiuri sazafxulo skola. masSi msoflios cxra qveynis axalgazrda mkvlevrebi monawileobdnen. „sazRvao qveynis lurji politikis“ farglebSi gaimarTa samecniero pikniki da saerTaSoriso samecniero konferencia „SavizRvispireTi civilizaciaTa gzajvaredinze“. mniSvnelovani iyo urTierTTanamSromlobis memorandumis gaformeba CexeTis ostrovas universitetTan. gansakuTrebiT aRsaniSnavia SoTa rusTavelis erovnuli samecniero fondis 2023 wlis fundamentalur mecnierebis sagranto konkursSi gamarjveba. institutis samecniero sagranto proeqti reitingiT meore adgilze gavida. igi sazogadoebrivi da sayovelTao proeqtia, romelic 1951-1953 wlebis sabWoTa represiebs exeba. Zalian bevri, uSualod represiebis msxverpli adamiani dRes cocxalia. represirebulebs da maT STamomavlebs SeuZliaT dagvikavSirdnen, mogvmarTon. maT mier mowodebuli istoriebi da informacia mniSvnelovani iqneba kvlevis srulyofilebisTvis. yvela samuSao, romelic institutis ZalebiT xorcieldeba (istoriis, arqeologiis, eTnologiis, folkloris, dialeqtologiis, emigrantuli literaturis mimarTulebebiT), pirdapir kavSirSia regionSi (istoriuli samxreT-dasavleTi saqarTvelo, TurqeTSi mcxovrebi ZirZveli da muhajiri qarTvelebis STamomavlebis CaTvliT) erovnuli mniSvnelobis saqmianobis warmoebasTan, romlis mizania istoriul-kulturuli memkvidreobis Seswavla-popularizacia. institutis saqmianoba am mimarTulebiT xels uwyobs, erTi mxriv, akademiuri codnis dagrovebas, ucxoeTSi arsebuli arqivebis warmoCenas (stambolis qarTuli savane), xolo meore mxriv, ganamtkicebs da amaRlebs erovnul cnobierebas, saxelmwifoebriv patriotizms da moqalaqeobriv TviTSegnebas. amdenad, bsu-is niko berZeniSvilis instituti, Tavisi miznebiTa da amocanebiT, calsaxad warmoadgens erovnuli mniSvnelobis samecniero-kvleviT dawesebulebas.
– Tanamedrove erovnuli mecniereba ramdenime gamocemiT gaamdidreT. maTgan romelia gamorCeuli?
– Zalian mniSvnelovania wigni „aWara“ (uZvelesi droidan Tanamedroveobamde). igi gankuTvnilia dainteresebuli sazogadoebisa da mkiTxvelTa farTo wrisaTvis. aWaris istoriisadmi mzardi interesidan gamomdinare, wigns davurTeT vrceli inglisurenovani reziume. ukve ibeWdeba Cven mier momzadebuli ilustrirebuli wigni-albomi „eTnografiuli aWara“. isic orenovania da kargi samagido-sasaCuqre wigni iqneba. daibeWda ufrosi mecnieri TanamSromlis maiko WiWileiSvilis ilustrirebuli bukleti „sacxovrebeli da sameurneo nagebobani aWaraSi“. gamoica wigni: `istoriisa da kulturis Zeglebi maWaxlis xeobaSi“ (avtorebi- roin malaymaZe, nodar kaxiZe, sulxan mamulaZe). masSi Sesulia uamravi axali materialuri kulturis Zegli maWaxlis xeobidan. wigns erTvis feradi fotoebi, inglisur da Turqul enebze vrceli reziume. specialistebisa da studentebisaTvis sainteresoa institutis eTnologiisa da sociologiuri kvlevis ganyofilebis mier gamocemuli safondo masalaTa krebuli: „masalebi aWaris yofisa da kulturis SeswavlisaTvis“, tomi III, `Sinamrewveloba-xelosnoba.~ 2023 wels aWaris turistuli produqtebis ganviTarebis saagentos proeqtiT momzadda da gamoica: „kulinariuli mogzauroba aWaraSi“, `xalxuri tradiciebi da ritualebi aWaraSi“ „xalxuri rewva aWaraSi“.
– did mniSvnelobas aniWebT mezobeli respublikis egreT wodebul–TurqeTis saqarTvelos teritoriebze gasvlas, stambolis arqivebsa da wignTsacavebSi muSaobas. wels am mimarTebiT ra siaxleebs unda velodeT?
– 2023 weli am mxrivac gamorCeuli iyo. swored SarSan mopovebuli masalebisa da wels dagegmili samecniero mivlinebebis analizis safuZvelze vapirebT davasruloT da gamovceT saarqivo dokumentebis krebuli „werilebi stambolis qarTuli savanidan“ am wignSi Tavs moiyris rogorc saistorio-saarqivo dokumentebi, aseve savanis arqivSi dRemde daculi masalebi qarTuli legionis Sesaxeb. legionerebis didi nawili qarTveli muhajirebi, aWarlebi iyvnen. vfiqrob, am masalebidan dRes bevri maTgani Tavis winapars amoicnobs.
– institutSi ramdenime Rvawlmosili, mxcovani mecnieri agrZelebs muSaobas. ras akeTebT maTi amagis dafasebisTvis?
– niko berZeniSvilis samecniero kvleviTi instituti regionSi gamorCeulia im mxrivac, rom aq Cveni qveynisTvis, mxarisTvis damsaxurebuli da sapativcemulo adamianebi moRvaweoben. maTi mecnieruli biografiebi dakavSirebulia samxreT-dasaleT saqarTvelos istoriis warmatebul kvlevebTan. isini Cveni institutis samecniero sabWos wevrebi da mTavari mecnieri TanamSromlebi arian. vfiqrobT, maTTvis SemoviRoT damsaxurebuli mecnieri-emeritusis wodebebi.
– axalbeda da axalgazrda mkvlevrebTan saqmianobis ra formebs irCevT?
– Cven im dawesebulebas mivekuTvnebiT, sadac umtkivneulod da Rirseulad mimdinareobs TaobaTa cvlis procesi. universitetis reqtoratis daxmarebiT, mecnierebis sxvadasxva mimarTulebiT Semogvyavs axalgazrda, perspeqtiuli mkvlevrebi. CvenTvis mTavari ganmsazRvreli aris ara maTi samecniero statusi, aramed, survili da mecnieruli alRo. amitomacaa, rom aq SexvdebiT sulxan mamulaZes, romelic doqtoranti iyo, rodesac movida CvenTan samuSaod, dRes ki arqeologiis doqtoris xarisxiT agrZelebs kvlevebs, asevea ana bagrationi, – magistris xarisxiT daiwyo muSaoba institutSi da ukve ivane javaxiSvilis Tbilisis saxelmwifo universitetis anTropologiis sadoqtoro programis doqtorantia. axalgazrda mecnier-TanamSromlebi arian folkloris, dialeqtologiisa da emigrantuli literaturis kvlevis ganyofilebaSi filologiis doqtori fati abaSiZe da baTumis SoTa rusTavelis saxelmwifo universitetis filologiis fakultetis saganmanaTleblo programis doqtoranti cisnami beriZe. Zalian mniSvnelovania mecnierebiT dainteresebul bakalavriatis studentebTan muSaoba. wels istoriis sabakalavro programis studenti luka dumbaZe monawileobas iRebda Cvens eTno-arqeologiur sazafxulo skolaSi da sxva.
– rogoria maTi CarTuloba samecniero eqspediciebSi?
– axalgazrda mecnierebis CarTuloba samecniero eqspediciebSi mniSvnelovani, aucilebeli da aqtualuricaa. maTi dainteresebac am mxriv didia, radgan samecniero eqspediciebSi monawileobiT did gamocdilebasac iReben da profesiuladac viTardebian. amavdroulad, axali aRmoCenebisa da siaxleebis molodinic motivacias gmatebs. yvela Cvens savele eqspediciebSi CarTulni arian institutis axalgazrda mkvlevrebi.
– gansakuTrebul damokidebulebas iCenT ucxoeTSi mcxovrebi da momuSave Tanamemamuleebis mimarT. maTi institutSi mowveva da Sexvedrebi ras emsaxureba?
-institutis internacionalizaciisaTvis, Cveni institutis erovnul-saxelmwifoebrivi mniSvnelobidan gamomdinare, aucileblobad migvaCnia ucxoeTSi mcxovreb TanamemamulebTan da qarTvel mkvlevrebTan urTierTobebi, amis mizania institutis mecnier TanamSromlebis samecniero miRwevebis ukeT gacnoba, daaxloeba da erToblivi samecniero kvlevebis warmoeba. am mxriv kargi urTierTobebi gvaqvs rogorc evropis, ise TurqeTis wamyvan samecniero centrebTan. gansakuTrebiT aRsaniSnavia TurqeTSi arsebuli qarTuli diasporebisa da sazogadoebis warmomadgenlebTan TanamSromloba, maT Sesaxeb satelevizio gadacemebis momzadeba, saganmanaTleblo (qarTuli enis Semswavleli kursebi) proeqtebSi CarTva, Semonaxuli qarTuli tradiciuli kulturuli elementebis warmoCena da sxva.
– saSviliSvilo da erovnuli saqmea „aWaruli saunjis“ mravaltomeulis gamocema. amjerad romel tomze muSaobT da ra Temas eZRvneba?
– marTlac asea, amitomac madlierebiT minda gavixseni is mecnierebi, romlebmac wlebi Sealies am saunjis Sekrebas, Senaxvasa da Cvenamde motanas. folkloris, dialeqtologiisa da emigrantuli literaturis ganyofilebam moamzada da gamosca, `aWaruli saunjis~ xuTi tomi. gamovida meeqvse tomic. igi moicavs Suaxevis municipalitetis folklorul masalas, romelic Sekrebilia 1959-1960 wlebSi. amisaTvis minda madloba gadavuxado ganyofilebis ufross, filologiis doqtors elza futkaraZesa da am gamocemaze momuSave yvela mecniers. isini did da saSviliSvilo saqmes akeTeben.
– ukve xelT gvaqvs stambolis savanis saganZuris ori tomi. am proeqtze muSaoba grZeldeba?
– qalbatoni SuSana futkaraZis TaosnobiT, udidesi saqme gaakeTa institutma – mas mieca saSualeba, rom bolo periodSi Seeswavla stambolis qarTul savaneSi daculi masalebi. TanamSromelTa sasaxelod unda iTqvas, rom maT aRweres da biblioTekaSi ganaTavses aq Semonaxuli wignadi fondi, saarqivo dokumentebi. es mimarTuleba CvenTvis isev rCeba prioritetad. 2024 wels dagegmilia stambolis qarTuli savanis mesame nawilis gamocemac. am mimarTulebiT muSaoba momdevno wlebSic gagrZeldeba.
– Tqvens samecniero saqmianobaSi mkveTradaa gamoxatuli maWaxlis xeobis siyvaruli. . .
– nafuZaris siyvaruli gansakuTrebuli mamoZravebeli Zalaa. uamrav sazogadoebriv da socialur siaxlesTan erTad bolo periodSi gavaaqtiureT xeobis samecniero kuTxiT Seswavla da warmoCena. welsac, institutis egidiT dagegmili gvaqvs maWaxlis xeobaSi samecniero eqspedicia. sabolo jamSi, gvsurs monografiis saxiT gamovceT xeobis istoria da Tanamedroveoba.
– ra informacias flobT ori maWaxelis damakavSirebeli umoklesi sakontrolo–gamSvebi punqtis amoqmedebaze?
– es istoriuli proeqtia, romlis ganxorcielebac xels Seuwyobs ori qveynis samezoblo urTierTobebis ganmtkicebas. gzis gaxsnis sikeTe mravalmxriv aisaxeba adgilobrivebis yoveldRiurobaze. ukve dasrulebulia saavtomobilo gzis gayvanis pirveladi samuSaoebi. sazRvris Caketvis Semdeg, istoriulad, am samanqane gziT pirvelad daukavSirda ori maWaxeli erTmaneTs. sabaJo punqtis gaxsnac drois ambavia. darwmunebuli var, amas veraferi daudgeba win.
– qarTuli soflebi carieldeba. mSobliur maWaxelSi es procesi marTvadia, Tu. . .…
– maWaxlis xeobaSic didi xnis win daiwyo es procesi, magram CvenTan gansxvavebuli situaciaa. mTis kanonis amoqmedebam, sxvadasxva socialurma proeqtma, turizmis ganviTarebam, saavtomobilo gzis mowesrigebam, qalaq baTumTan siaxlovem es procesi mniSvnelovnad SeaCera. piriqiT, daiwyo axali sacxovrebeli saxlebis mSenebloba. bevri qalaqSi wasuli daubrunda mSobliur keras.
– sakuTari ezo maWaxelSi eTnografiul muzeumad aqcieT.
– diax, Sevecade xeobisaTvis damaxasiaTebeli, SemorCenili eTnografiuli yofis amsaxveli nivTebi erT sivrceSi ganmeTavsebina. saxli Tavadac Zveli da samuzeumo daniSnulebisaa. misi arqiteqtura xeobisaTvis damaxasiaTebelia. saxls gaaCnda meidan oda. aq moqmedebda pirveli Wra-kervis skola xeobaSi, 1914 wels am saxlSi gadautaniaT xerTvisis sasoflo sazogadoebis administraciuli centri, 1916 wels, xeobaSi mogzaurobisas, apolon wulaZe meored wvevia stumrad babuas – mevlud aRa malaymaZes. 1951-1953 wlebSi, Cveni ojaxis yazaxeTSi gadasaxlebis Semdeg, amave saxlSi ganTavsebula soflis kolmeurneobis kantora. saxls hqonda samalavi, romelSic amJamad marania ganTavsebuli. am faqtorebma xeobaSi Semosuli qarTveli da ucxoeli turistebis didi interesi gamoiwvia. igi dRemde aqtiuri monaxulebis adgilad iTvleba. wlis ganmavlobaSi bevri turisti stumrobs. saxli da eTnografiuli nivTebi erTian garemoSi metad saintereso sanaxavia.
– am yvelafers erTi adamiani ver gawvdeboda. . .
– xeobis mosaxleobis Tanadgomam, erTobam da gundurma muSaobam bevri sasikeTo saqmis gakeTebis SesaZlebloba mogvca. vfiqrob, samomavlodac ase gagrZeldeba. xalxisa da qveynis samsaxuri Cveni saqmianobis umTavresi mizania.
