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baTumeli qalbatoni dali TedoraZe warmatebuli sabavSvo mweralia. igi Tavisi saintereso zRaprebiT ara marto patarebs, didebsac xiblavs da Tavis mkiTxvelebs siyvarulisa da silamazis udides muxts aziarebs. vis ar surs bavSvobaSi dabruneba, roca Cveni ocnebebisa da natvris realizebas zRaprebSi vxedavdiT. da axla, roca qalbaton dalis mier SeTxzul zRaprebs vkiTxulobT, kidev erTxel vrwmundebiT, rom zRapari arasodes mokvdeba, am superteqnikur, cifrul epoqaSic ki, radgan adamiani da ocneba ganuyofelia, xolo zRapari amis saukeTeso gansaxovnebaa. gsurT bavSvobas daubrundeT? waikiTxeT dali TedoraZis wignebi, manamde ki am intervius gaecaniT, imogzaureT niWieri da saintereso qalbatonis samyaroSi.
– qalbatono dali, Tqveni SarSandeli SemoqmedebiTi mosavliT kmayofili xarT?
– SarSandeli da 2022 welic warmatebuli da nayofieri iyo. gamoica sami saavtoro wigni: `rogor gaCndnen devebi~, `saaxalwlo zRaprebi~ da `alqajebis samflobelo~. samive Cemi sulis nawilia da iseTi sixaruliT Sevxvdi, rogorc deda – axalSobils, aTasjer naocnebars. iyo SiSic: rogor miiRebs mkiTxveli, SevZleb mTavari saTqmelis ise gadmocemas, rom patarebisTvis advilad gasagebi, misaRebi, sasiamovno da dasamaxsovrebeli iyos? vgoneb, gamimarTla, SevZeli. amis dasturi ki is uamravi Sexvedraa, skolebSi, sabavSvo baRebSi, sxvadasxva sivrceSi rom vmarTav, saidanac bednieri da axali energiiT savse vbrundebi.
– Tqveni axali wigni warudgineT Cvens mkiTxvels. . .
– wigni `alqajebis samflobelo~, erTi mTliani zRaparia qvesaTaurebiT. moqmedeba or – arqaul da Tanamedrove droSi xdeba, rac ufro met mistikurobas sZens. mTavari gmiri, date, Tavis megobrebTan erTad Seupovrad gaivlis Zalian rTul, sicocxlisaTvis saSiS gzas. imogzaurebs maqciebiT savse gaqvavebul qalaqSi, zRvis ulamazes, magram daundobel samyaroSi, yinuliT molipul, miuwvdomel mwvervalze, qvesknelis bnel labirinTebSi, mravlad Sexvdeba keTil da borot arsebebs, alqajebs, aligatorebs, TeTr meduzas – veneras yvavilebis kalaTas, holoTuriebs, zRvis pegass da a.S. is brZolas erTi sicocxlis gadasarCenad, erTi usamarTlobis gamosasworeblad iwyebs, magram aRmoCndeba, rom samyaros Tavisi kanonebi aqvs (rogorc erT-erTi personaJi ambobs), rom am kanonis Zala sadRac, xilulis miRmaa, aramiwieri da mistikuri, romelic maSin amoqmeddeba, roca gadarCenisTvis xelis wakvraa saWiro. swored am xilulis miRma arsebuli kanonebis amoqmedebiT aRmoCndeba mTavari gmiri borotebiT savse gzis dasawyisSi, magram samyaro marto ar tovebs. Mmisi erTguli megobrebis (mtredi kasila, Taguna pio da ZaRli cuca) garda, aq mkiTxveli Sexvdeba keTil jadoqrebs, sam das, Savs – asi wlisas, wiTels – orasi wlisasas, TeTrs – samasi wlisisas, romlebsic jadosnur samyaroSi bednierad cxovroben da daxmarebis xels uwvdian dates.
siyvarulis da siZulvilis, sikeTisa da borotebis brZolis garda, erT-erTi mTavari, rac zaRapars laitmotivad gasdevs, mozardi Taobis motivacia da Segonebaa mSoblebisTvis, rac TeTri jadoqris sityvebiT minda gadmogceT: `SeuZlebeli araferia, date, Tu cru warmodgenebisgan ganTavisufldebi da daijereb, ra Zala, energia, SesaZlebloba devs SenSi, Tu ganTavisufldebi im borkilebisgan, romelic sakuTari Sinagani sapatimros tusaRad gaqcevs. me da Cems debs jadoqrebs, grZneulebs gveZaxian, Tumca ar mikvirs, radgan bavSvobidan Caagones: ar SeiZleba, es warmoudgenelia, ver SeZleb! am SeZaxilebma adamianebi SezRuda, CarCoSi moaqcia, Caketa. me da Cemma debma Cvens cnobierebaSi vipoveT jadosnuri gasaRebi da davamsxvrieT borkilebi~. swored, sakuTari Tavis rwmenam da megobrebis Tanadgomam erTi SexedviT SeuZlebeli SeaZlebina mTavar gmirs, erTi SexedviT SeuZlebeli. . .
– rogorc aRniSneT, es wigni mravali wlis nafiqralisa da fantaziis xorcSesxmaa. wigns ilustraciebic aniWebs gansakuTrebulobas. rogor Seiqmna igi?
– diax, didxans vwerdi. vgrZnobdi, iseTi ar gamodioda, rogoric mindoda. vCerdebodi da Tavidan viwyebdi. TiToeul TavSi axali samyaro iSleba da axali personaJebi Cndebian. mindoda rac SeiZleba jadosnuri, magram realuric yofiliyo, sainteresoc da didaqtikuric. . . mjera, am zRapris kiTxvisas bavSvebi imogzaureben ucnob, mistikur, jadosnur samyaroSi, saidanac Zlierebi da bednierebi gamovlen. eqnebaT motivacia da rwmena imisa, rom brZolas yovelTvis aqvs azri. ilustraciebi Seqmna Zalian saintereso da gansxvavebuli xelweris mxatvarma irma surmaniZem. arasdros verevi mxatvris gemovnebasa da fantaziaSi. gadavcem Cems namuSevars da darwmunebuli var, is imaze mets Seqmnis, vidre me warmomidgenia. minda aRvniSno, am mxriv Zalian gamimarTla. pirveli ori wignis mxatvari – miranda gurgenaZe da axlis – irma surmaniZe saukeTeso ilustratorebi da gemovnebiani mxatvrebi arian.
– roca wigni ixiles norCma mkiTxvelebma, rogori iyo maTi reaqcia? vin iyvnen es patarebi da sad SexvdiT maT?
– pirvel reaqcias iwvevs garekani da ilustraciebi. es sabavSvo wignis damaxasiaTebeli Tvisebaa. axlac vxedav gaciskrovnebul, molodiniT savse Tvalebs. yvela Sexvedra gansakuTrebuli da gamorCeulia. ar ici, ra SekiTxva wamova bavSvisgan da es emocia xibls matebs RonisZiebas. Tqven ver warmoidgenT, rogor kargad igeben da gadmoscemen bavSvebi nawarmoebis dedaazrs, ideas (skolis asaks vgulisxmob), advilad igeben qveteqstebs, xsnian simbolikebs, axasiaTeben personaJebs, kargad ician gapirovneba, alegoriebi da ase Semdeg. TavianTi fantaziiT qmnian naxatebs, maketebs, dioramebs, Zerwaven personaJebs. erTi sityviT, es zeimia, sadac bavSvebi arian mxatvrebi, reJisorebi, scenaristebi, avtorebi, zRapris gmirebi. isini saocrad gaxsnilebi da laRebi arian, radgan, vfiqrob, araformalur garemoSi, sadac standartebi araa dawesebuli, bavSvi ufro Tavisufalia, meti SesaZlebliba aqvs Tavis warmoCenis, aRmoCenis, bednierebis hormonis gamomuSavebis. ase fiqroben pedagogebic, skolis xelmZRvanelebic da amitomac imarTeba msgavsi tipis Sexvedrebi.
– Tqveni zRapris – `rogor gaCndnen devebi~ scenariT Seqmnil animaciur films didi warmateba xvda wilad, elodiT aseT Sedegs?
– es iyo aWaris ganaTlebis, kulturisa da sportis saministros programis `kulturis popularizacia da SemoqmedebiTi procesebis mxardaWera~ qveprogramis `axali individualuri SemoqmedebiTi proeqtebis mxardaWera~ sagranto konkursSi gamarjvebuli proeqti. daviwyeb iqidan, rom proeqtis mixedviT am animaciis Seqmnis mTavari mizani skolis moswavleebis CarTuloba iyo. monawileoba miiRo Cvidmeti skolis ocdaaTamde bavSvma. Tavdapirvelad, maT waikiTxes zRapari da TiToeulma damoukideblad Seqmna dekoraciebis, personaJebis, peizaJebis naxatebi. animatorma gaacocxla bavSvebis naxatebi, Seiqmna musika. aRsaniSnavia, rom personaJebic skolis moswavleebma gaaxmovanes. animaciis Cvenebamde, Teatris foieSi moewyo bavSvebis naxatebis gamofena, monawileebi dajildovdnen sigelebiT. es iyo eniT aRuwereli zeimi bavSvebis, mSoblebisa da, ra Tqma unda, CemTvisac. bednieri var, radgan davinaxe, rogor gacocxldnen Cemi zRapris gmirebi ekranze. Aaxla, skolebSi Sexvedrebis dros, wignis wardginebasTan erTad, bavSvebs vaCvenebT animacias, vmsjelobT im gansxvavebaze, rac TavianTi warmosaxviT Seqmnes da rac ekranze ixiles.
– yvelaze gulwrfeli Semfaseblebi patarebi arian. . . mogviTxreT muzeumSi baRebis aRsazrdelebTan Sexvedraze.
– maTTan Sexvedra saocar muxts da energias gaZlevs. grZnob, rogor gaTvaliereben, aRgiqvamen. jer mokrZaleba da ridia, Semdeg ixsnebian. undaT, rac SeZleba bevri kiTxva dasvan. ainteresebT, saidan modixar, rodis daiwye wera, Semdeg ise arCeven zRaprebs, rom mec imaze mets vxedav, vidre davwere.
es ubednieresi wuTebia. imaze didi siamovnebaa, vidre axali nawarmoebis Seqmna, romelSic mTeli suli da guli Cade.
– xSirad ibeWdebiT Jurnal `WoroxSi~. es TanamSromloba momavalSic gagrZeldeba?
– diax, xSirad ibeWdeba Cemi zRaprebi da moTxrobebi JurnalSi, rac Zalian did stimuls maZlevs, mimaRldeba TviTSefaseba. es SemoqmedisTvis aucilebelia. madloba minda vuTxra Jurnal `Woroxis~ redaqcias da uaxloes periodSi mivawodeb axal zRaprebs.
– rogor reagirebs Tqvens SemoqmedebiT aqtiurobaze sazogadoeba?
– Cemi pirveli wigni, sabavSvo leqsebis krebuli `gandagana~, 2004 wels gamosca aWaris mweralTa saxlma. ibeWdeboda gazeTebSi, JurnalSi. vwerdi piesebs, scenarebs da libretos speqtaklisTvis, magram axla, am mokle periodSi amdeni wignis gamocema, gazeTi, radio, televizia, uamravi Sexvedra, wardgineba moulodneli iyo. ufro sxva kuTxiT daminaxes. . . ubednieresi var, rom sazogadoebis reagireba Zalian dadebiTia. moswonT Cemi zRaprebi, CemTan Sexvedrebi, es ki saocari SegrZnebaa.
– roca ganvlil gzas gascqeriT. . .
– ganvlil gzaze uamravi feri cimcimebs, magram bednieri var, rom yvela muq fers naTeli cvlis. bevri imedgacrueba da gulis tkivili yofila da iqneba kidev, magram cxovrebac xom esaa – mudmivi brZola. Tuki cdilob, aravin daadanaSaulo, ar daavaldebulo, akeTo Seni wili gasakeTebeli, cxovrebis gzis gavla gacilebiT advilia. SeiZleba bevri mifiqria da miocnebia imaze, rac dRes Cems cxovrebaSi xdeba, magram mainc zRaparSi mgonia Tavi.
– rogor gesaxebaT momavali – Tqveni, qveynis, saerTod, literaturis da gamorCeviT, sabavSvo literaturis, cifrul realobaSi ra parametrebs gvikarnaxebs?
– arsebobs tradiciuli sakomunikacio unarebi: weris, kiTxvis, metyvelebis, magram Tanamedrove samyaroSi aucilebelia cifruli komunikacia. socialuri qselebiT viRebT zRva informacias. cifruli realoba gaZlevs saSualebas, saTanadod waradgino sakuTari Tavi, ideebi, gamoTqva mosazreba, SesTavazo sxvas sakuTari produqti da a. S. erTi sityviT, cifrul samyaroSi Cven varT reJisorebi, scenaristebi, inJinrebi. vfiqrob, am cifrul realobaSi, ucxour vebgverdebze rom movaxerxo Cemi zRaprebis gatana, aucileblad meqneba SemoTavazebebi animatorebisa da animes Semqmnelebisgan. . . araferi qmnis nawarmoebs iseT popularuls, rogorc ekrani.
– ratom ar kvdeba zRapari am superteqnikur saukuneSi?
– zRapari aris unikaluri saSualeba, Zalian xatovnad, usazRvro fantaziiT moyve ambavs,Aaisrulo is ocneba, rac bavSvobidan mogyveba da ver aixdine cxovrebis ganmavlobaSi. vis ar unda, iyos feria, keTili jadoqari, fifqia. Aan romel gogonas ar uocnebia TeTr cxenze amxedrebul ufliswulze. romel biWs – iyos iseTi Zlieri, moxerxebuli raindi, rom Tavisi gulisswori daixsnas tyveobidan. . . zRaparSi yvela adamians aqvs frTebi, yvelas SeuZlia ifrinos mokrialebul caze, oRond keTilma xeli unda SeaSvelos, rom varskvlavebamde miaRwios. maSin brWyviala varskvlavebs ubeSi Caiyris, dedamiwaze Camogvitans da gagvabednierebs. ai, ratom ar kvdeba zRapari.
– yvelaze lamazi zRapari. . .
– yvela zRapari gamorCeuli da unikaluria. msoflio xalxTa zRaprebis garda, Zalian sainteresoa qarTuli xalxuri Tu literaturuli zRaprebi. Zalian kargad maxsovs svanuri, megruli, aWaruli zRaprebi, sadac garda Sinaarsisa, Cems yuradRebas iqcevda dialeqtebi da specifikuri terminebi.
Zalian bevria lamazi da ukvdavi zRapari. albaT, CamoTvla gamiWirdeba, magram qarTul realobaSi esaa `nacarqeqia~, `CxikvTa qorwili~, `Svlis nukris naambobi~, `wiqara~, `salamura~, ucxourSi – `fifqia da Svidi juja~, `wiTelquda~, `sami goWi~, `mefe lomi~, `aladini~. . .
– saswauli rom moxdes da quCaSi andersens SexvdeT, ras hkiTxavdiT?
– pirvel rigSi, madlobas gadavuxdidi Cemi bavSvobis galamazebisa da jadosnur samyaroSi megzurobisTvis.
erTxel JurnalSi wavikiTxe, TiTqos anderseni mTeli cxovreba ibrZoda imisTvis, rom istoriaSi sabavSvo mwerlad ar darCeniliyo. ratomRac gulSi CamrCa misi es ucnauri survili. vkiTxavdi: Tavidan rom dabadebuliyo, isev Segviqmnida am saocar samyaros Tu sxva Janrs airCevda?
– rogor fiqrobT, qarTuli zRapari sxva qveynebis zRaprebis fonze ra niSniT gamoirCeva?
– gulwrfelad rom giTxraT, gansakuTrebul niSnebs ver vxedav. yvela qveynis zRaparSi Cans maTTvis damaxasiaTebeli qcevis wesebi, tradiciebi, Cacmis Tu metyvelebis stili, ganviTarebis done.
– zRapari, romelsac axla werT, gvamogzaurebs jadosnur samyaroSi?
– vfiqrob, ki. am wignSi vimogzaurebT zRvebisa da okeaneebis saocar, mistikur, ucnob samyaroSi, romlis siRrmeebSi uamravi saidumlo imaleba. vimogzaurebT rifebsa da ulamazes marjnis kunZulebze. aq vnaxavT gigantur urCxulebs, zRvis eSmakebs, dakargul qalaqebs, cixe-koSkebs, sadac borot jadoqarTan erTad, zRvis angelozebi, saocari yviTeli ciyvebi, sxva uamravi dadebiTi da uaryofiTi arseba cxovrobs. mTavari gmiri, keTili personaJebis daxmarebiT, amarcxebs jadoqars, romelsac marjnebis mospobiT zRvis samyaros ganadgureba unda. . . da mTavari saTqmeli (rogorc zRapars Cvevia) – SefarviT, magram makafiod xazs vusvam ekologiur sakiTxebs.
