დასხდებიან თუ არა უკრაინული და რუსული მხარეები მოლაპარაკების მაგიდასთან?
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mesame welia, rac dasavleTisa da ruseTis dapirispirebis poligoni ukrainaa da am qveyanaSi gadamwyveti brZolaa gaCaRebuli Tavisuflebasa da tiranias Soris. ukve garkveuli daskvnis gakeTeba SeiZleba – ukrainam SeZlo ara mxolod gamklaveboda ruseTis armias, aramed mniSvnelovani zaralic miayena, gamofita, Tumca aRsaniSnavia, rom axla, ZiriTadad, poziciuri omia, rasac Tavisi subieqturi Tu obieqturi mizezebi aqvs. dasavleTi ver Camoyalibda umniSvnelovanes sakiTxSi – ruseTis marcxi ra zRvarze unda gadiodes, anu sxvagvarad rom vTqvaT, ruseTis damarcxebam am qveynis daSla ar unda gamoiwvios… Tumca Tu dasavleTi orWofobas gaagrZelebs, ar uzrunvelyofs ukrainis gamarjvebas da minimum, gayinavs oms, cxadia, es faqtori waaxalisebs sxva agresor saxelmwifos… am da sxva aqtualur sakiTxebze gvesaubreba aWaris savaWro-samrewvelo palatis mrCeveli diplomatiur sakiTxebSi, bsu-is doqtoranti laSa bolqvaZe.
– amJamad, dasavleTis da ruseTis dapirispirebis areali ukrainaa, itesteba Tu ara am omSi msoflio marTlwesrigis konturebi?
– dResdReobiT planetaze omi yvelaze mTavari krizisia, romlis Sedegebic (globaluri masStabiT) uamravi mimarTulebiT igrZnoba. TavisTavad, msoflio marTlwesrigis niSnebi arsebobs da aSkarad SeimCneva dRevandel globalur saerTaSoriso urTierTobebis diskursSi, procesi dRiTi dRe matulobs da misi konturebi sul sxva realobis winaSe gvayenebs.
– vinaidan omis damTavreba ar da ver xerxdeba, ukrainisadmi dasavleTis pozicia, rogor fiqrobT, dRemde SenarCunebulia?
– dasavleTis pozicia calsaxaa da bevrs akeTebs, raTa warmatebas miaRwios, Tumca vinaidan oms dasasruli ar uCans, politikur asparezze bevri kiTxvis niSani Cndeba, romlebzec pasuxic uZneldebaT, radgan SesaZloa, Sedegebi kargad aqvT gaTavisebuli. amitom cdiloben, SeinarCunon simdgrade da sifrTxile gamoiCinon politikur diskursSi.
– mesame welia, ukrainaSi omi mimdinareobs, axla ra fazaa da ra Sedegebi moitana?
– dRevandeli viTareba Zalian savalaloa. . . ver sruldeba omi, uamravi adamiani iRupeba da qalaqebi miwasTan swordeba. samwuxarod, ukrainis xelisuflebis efeqtianoba Semcirda, sakmaod dasustebulia. ukrainel xalxs xelisuflebis imedi gaucruvda, vinaidan man ver moaxerxa miznis miRweva da mosaxleobisaTvis danapirebis Sesruleba. aseve, dasavlel da amerikel xalxebs mobezrdaT, daiRalnen gauTavebeli omis mxardaWeriT. maTi kritika swored amaze mianiSnebs. Zveleburad mxars aRar uWeren ukrainas (fuliTa da iaraRiT), dRes sruliad gansxvavebuli situaciaa.
– cnobilia, omis pirvel etapze ra mizans isaxavda ruseTi ukrainaSi, amJamad misi maqsimumi da minimumi ra aris?
– dRes ruseTs meti SesaZlebloba uCndeba, rom ufro mobilizebuli iyos da myarad idges. israelisa da `hamasis~ konfliqti xels uwyobs, rom ukraina daiCrdilos. ruseTs aseTi situaciebi yovelTvis awyobs da misi gamoyenebis Sanss xelidan ar uSvebs. ruseTis liderma mSvenierad icis, rom es gare faqtorebi ufro metad daasustebs ukrainas, dasavleTidan bevri cvlilebis winaSe dadgebian da iseTi mxardaWerac veRar eqnebaT, rogoric winaT, es ki rusuli mxaris wisqvilze asxams wyals.
– aris mosazreba, rom uaxloes momavalSi msoflios gavlenianma aqtorebma (aSS, CineTi, evrokavSiri) ukrainul–rusuli mxareebi molaparakebis magidasTan unda dasvan, ramdenad safuZvliania msgavsi scenari?
– ratomRac es scenari ar ikveTeba am etapisTvis, radgan am ori mxaris SeTanxmeba ar da ver moxerxdeba, vinaidan ruseTis survilebi cnobilia da ra ultimatumebs wamoayenebs, Zneli misaxvedri araa. ukrainuli mxare amas ar dauSvebs. rom dauSvas, am oms ra azri hqonda? amis gaazrebiT ukraineli xalxi xelisuflebas ar apatiebs omis Sedegebs. kargad aris dasafiqrebeli, rogor unda moxdes SeTanxmeba. imedi viqonioT rom es yvelaferi male mogvardeba da xalxi hpovebs simSvides.
– `birTvuli iaraRi rom ara, ruseTi dRes ukve CineTis vasali iqneboda~, – ganacxada aSS–is armiis gadamdgarma polkovnikma aleqs qrouTerma, gamoiyenebs ruseTi atomur iaraRs ukrainaSi?
– vfiqrob, rom ruseTs es ar dasWirdeba. dRevandeli viTarebac amas aCvenebs, Tumca ruseTi ra dros ras moimoqmedebs, dazustebiT aravin icis. msofliom ar unda misces amis gakeTebis ufleba, yvelanairad xeli unda SeuSalos. Cven gvaxsovs, hirosimisa da nagasakis dabombvam ra gamoiwvia. . . dRes ki gacilebiT Zlieri atomuri bombebia. gacilebiT meti ubedurebis momtania da saSineli tragedia iqneba.
– bevri analitikosi acxadebs, rom Tu ruseTs SerCa agresia ukrainaSi, msoflioSi saerTaSoriso samarTali moiSleba da sxvadasxva qveyana agresiis axali msxverpli gaxdeba, ras fiqrobT?
– ara mgonia, ase martivad idges sakiTxi. saSiSroeba yovelTvis, yvelgan da yvelaferSi unda davinaxoT, es ase iyo da iqneba. mTavari, amis ganviTarebisa da ganxorcielebis procesia, romelic yovelTvis cvalebadia. cvalebadobidan gamomdinare, am procesebis danaxva Zalian rTulia, magram mosalodnelic. Sesabamisad, yovelTvis yoveli qveyana frTxilad unda iyos da ar wamoegos provokaciebs, romlebic did dartymas miayenebs.
– axla Cvens samSobloSi gadavinacvloT, somxeTi distancirdeba ruseTisgan, azerbaijan–TurqeTis urTierTobebi idealuria, saqarTvelo evrostruqturebSi gaerTianebas cdilobs, Tqveni azri amis Sesaxeb. . .
– somxeTi cdilobs, azerbaijanTan urTierTobebi moawesrigos, aicilos omi da mSvidoba uzrunvelyos qveyanaSi, aseve, iRvwis TurqeTTan myari komunikaciis damyarebisTvis. rac Seexeba azerbaijans, lamobs somxeTis mier daSvebuli Secdomebis gamoyenebiT miznebs miaRwios, xolo saqarTvelo evrointegraciis gzaze ukiduresad frTxilia da cdilobs, Tavidan aicilos zedmeti dapirispireba ruseTTan. orive mxaris gaTvaliswinebiT, winsvla urTulesia Cveni qveynisTvis, vinaidan kargad esmis, ra problemebi SeiZleba mohyves daufiqrebel nabijebs Crdiloeli mezoblisgan da, aseve, dasavleTisgan. saqarTvelo umklavdeba gamowvevebs, frTxili da strategiuli nabijebis Sedegad didi progresi aqvs.
– ra Tqma unda, saqarTvelosTvis yvelaze mniSvnelovani saparlamento arCevnebia, am mxriv ra molodini gaqvT, anu ramdenad civiluri arCevnebi gvelodeba?
– yvela did imedebs amyarebs arCevnebze. yvelas Tavisi strategia, mocemuloba da Sesabamisi resursi gaaCnia, qveyanas aqvs damoukideblobis mravalwliani staJi, raTa demokratiuli, samarTliani, civiluri arCevnebi Caataros.
– ukrainas davubrundeT, odesRac es omic dasruldeba, magram misi ukrainisaTvis sasargeblod dasruleba ra faqtorebze iqneba damokidebuli?
– Zalian rTuli kiTxvaa. ar unda davkargoT imedi, rom omi ukrainis sasargeblod gadawydeba.
– Cvenma qveyanam ra unda moimoqmedos, rom ruseTis xelaxali agresiis obieqti ar gavxdeT?
– msoflioSi arsebuli krizisis, sirTuleebisa da umwvavesi gamowvevebis fonze, saqarTvelom SeinarCuna balansi da qveyana SeZlebisdagvarad mdgradi da progresirebadi aRmoCnda. ruseTTan urTierTobis Cveni mravalwliani gamocdileba gvaswavlis, rom qveyana ufro strategiul nabijebs unda dgamdes. aucileblad unda wavides neitraluri Tu samSvidobo politikis gziT, daabalansos ruseTis, evropis da amerikis urTierTobebSi arsebuli damokidebulebebi, Tavi aaridos gamaRizianebel ritorikas, negatiur TamaSebs da a.S. dRes saqarTvelo gacilebiT rTul mdgomareobaSia, vidre sxva qveynebi da amas kargad acnobierebs msoflioc. amitom ar unda SevecadoT cudi scenarebis daweras, radgan misi Sedegebi savalalo iqneba.
– dabolos, viTareba saqarTveloSi dRes msoflio marTlwesrigis fonze?
– Tamamad SeiZleba iTqvas, rom dRes saqarTvelo geopolitikuri mdebareobis, mezobeli qveynebis saomari viTarebisa da msoflio globaluri krizisis miuxedavad, SeZlebisdagvarad inarCunebs stabilurobas, maqsimalurad iCens sifrTxiles da cdilobs, daicvas balansi, rac dResdReobiT qveynis yofisTvis Zalian mniSvnelovania.

