ევროკავშირი – კეთილდღეობის და სტაბილურობის სივრცე
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saerTaSoriso politikaSi evrokavSiri umniSvnelovanesi aqtoria, romelic Tanamedrove msoflios momavals aSS-sTan da CineTTan erTad wyvets. igi saerTaSoriso asparezze wamyvani moTamaSea jer kidev 1992 wlidan. cnobisTvis, am gaerTianebas daarsebidan 32 weli Seusrulda. cxadia, Cndeba kiTxva – rogoria evrokavSiris gafarToebis politika da saqarTvelos molodini am TvalsazrisiT? swored am saWirboroto sakiTxze vesaubreT politolog gela iremaZes.
– dResdReobiT ras warmoadgens evrokavSiri?
– dReisaTvis evrokavSiri demokratiuli saxelmwifoebis unikaluri politikuri da ekonomikuri gaerTianebaa, is miznad isaxavs mSvidobas, keTildReobisa da Tavisuflebis uzrunvelyofas Tavisi moqalaqeebisTvis. saerTod, evrokavSiri araerTi kuTxiTaa mimzidveli, Tundac ekonomikuriT, amitomac eswrafvis Cveni qveyana evropul qveynebTan urTierTobas, Tumca evrokavSirSi gawevrianebas dro sWirdeba. arsebobs xelisSemSleli faqtorebi, romlebic damokidebuli ar aris saqarTvelosa da evrokavSiris urTierTobaze, kerZod, is mwvave reaqcia, rasac ruseTi Tundac saqarTvelosTvis kandidatis statusis moniWebis gamo avlens. oficialuri moskovi ratomRac miiCnevs, rom evrokavSiris da postsabWoTa qveynebis TanamSromloba mis winaaRmdegaa mimarTuli.
– rogorc Cans, ruseTi ara mxolod natos, aramed evrokavSiris mimarTac amJRavnebs agresias, ra aris amis mizezi?
– realoba is gaxlavT, rom evrokavSirma nato gamoacxada evrokavSiris usafrTxoebis qolgad, es imas niSnavs, rom nato ganixileba evrokavSiris usafrTxoebis erT-erT umniSvnelovanes meqanizmad. Tu davakvirdebiT, natosa da evrokavSiris SemadgenlobaSi erTi da igive saxelmwifoebia. ruseTs albaT amitom uCndeba gancda, rom evrokavSiric iseTive safrTxis Semcveli gaerTianebaa, rogorc Tavad nato. Aarada, realurad, evroatlantikuri organizaciebi namdvilad ar arian dainteresebulni ruseTis daSliT. maTi mizania, es saxelmwifo iyos demokratiuli qveyana da pativi sces mezobeli qveynebis suverenul arCevans.
– ramdenad mzad varT evrostruqturebSi gasaerTianeblad da rogor unda vimoqmedoT, rom sawadels mivaRwioT?
– axals arafers vityvi, Tu aRvniSnav, rom evrostruqturebSi gaerTianeba mxolod im qveynebisTvisaa SesaZlebeli, evropul Rirebulebebsa da moTxovnebs rom akmayofilebs. am moTxovnebis umaRlesi standartebi TavisTavSi aerTianebs kacobriobis monapovars, romlis meoxebiTac adamiani Tavisufali da daculia, garantirebulia misi uflebebi da movaleobebi. Tu bolo wlebis procesebis analizidan amovalT, evrokavSiri Cvengan garkveuli standartebis dakmayofilebas aucileblobad miiCnevs. gvaZlevs rekomendaciebs, rom ama Tu im sferoSi reformebi gavataroT, raTa davuaxlovdeT evrostandartebs, bolo wlebSi amgvari miTiTebebis Sesrulebaze arc ise dadebiTi Sefasebebi gvaqvs.
– rogorc cnobilia, evrokomisiam saqarTvelos 9 daTqmis Sesruleba daavaldebula, ras fiqrobT?
– esenia: deoligarqizacia, polarizebuli garemos dasruleba, sasamarTlo sistemis damoukideblobis xarisxis amaRleba da a. S. saqme is gaxlavT, rom demokratiis damkvidreba cocxali procesia, ar SeiZleba am mimarTebiT erTi nabijis gadadgmisTanave vTqvaT, rom demokratiis xarisxs vakmayofilebT. jer kidev Sors varT srulyofil demokratiamde, iqamde Zalian mniSvnelovani gzaa gasavleli.
– evrokavSiri rogor SeiZleba dagvexmaros am miznis miRwevaSi?
– evrokavSiri Tavisi rekomendaciebiT gvexmareba am gzis gavlaSi. etapobrivad imitom gvawvdis reformebisTvis rCevebs, rom saxelmwifos erTbaSad sruliad reformireba SeuZlebelia, amas ar gvTxovs, radgan Sesabamisi finansuri, sakadro da institucionaluri uzrunvelyofa sWirdeba da evrokavSiric TandaTan gvaZlevs rekomendaciebs, Tu romel sferoSi unda davaCqaroT reformebi evrokavSiris standartebTan misaaxloeblad. xazi unda gaesvas im faqts, rom `aqilevsis quslad~ rCeba separatistuli regionebi, okupirebuli teritoriebi. Cven SeiZleba evrokavSiris yvela institucionaluri moTxovna davakmayofiloT, magram teritoriuli mTlianobis darRveva, jerjerobiT mainc darCeba xelisSemSlel faqtorad evrokavSirSi gaerTianebis TvalsazrisiT, radgan es faqtori qveyanas arastabilurobis imijs uqmnis dasavleli partniorebis TvalSi. Aamitom, xelisuflebis ZalisxmevasTan erTad, saWiroa evropeli partniorebic dagvexmaron teritoriuli mTlianobis aRdgenaSi garkveuli progresis misaRwevad, raTa vTqvaT, rom xelisufleba Cveni saerTaSoriso mokavSireebis mxardaWeriT dgams nabijebs teritoriuli mTlianobis aRsadgenad. es Zalian mniSvnelovania imisTvis, rom evroatlantikur organizaciebTan Cveni daaxloeba Seuqcevadi gaxdes.
– kidev ra xelisSemSleli faqtorebi arsebobs am mimarTebiT?
– ZiriTadi xelis SemSleli faqtorebia socialuri da ekonomikuri mdgomareoba, arastabiluri politikuri garemo da, rogorc ukve vTqvi, teritoriuli mTlianobis sakiTxi. . . samwuxarod, am 32 wlis ganmavlobaSi Cvenma qveyanam ver SeZlo ganviTarebuli saxelmwifos Seqmna. gvqonda saprezidento, supersaprezidento modeli da axla gvaqvs saparlamento respublika da am periodis ganmavlobaSi ver SevZeliT Tundac baltiispireTis respublikebis msgavsad ganviTareba, kerZod, meti demokratiuli uflebebis damkvidreba.
– ras gulisxmobT?
– Cven unda gaviazroT, rom qveynis suvereniteti, usafrTxoebis sakiTxi pirdapir dakavSirebulia natosa da evrokavSirTan da Cven mier inicirebuli, ganxorcielebuli reformebi, miRebuli gadawyvetilebebi, parlamentSi miRebuli kanonebi pirdapir dakavSirebuli unda iyos am veqtoris kidev ufro gaZlierebasTan.
– samwuxarod, qarTul mediasivrceSi drodadro prorusuli diskursis xma ismis, rom dasavluri gezi ar aris saqarTvelos arCevani. . .
– minda Sevaxseno yvelas, rom saqarTvelos evropuli gza arc `qarTuli ocnebis~, arc `nacmoZraobis~ mmarTvelobis dros da arc damoukideblobis aRdgenis momentidan dawyebula, mas aqvs ufro Rrma, istoriuli fesvebi da amas Cveni qveynis aTiaTasobiT patrioti Seewira. Tu gvinda evrokavSiris wevroba, unda SevasruloT misi moTxovnebi. swored xelisuflebaa pasuxismgebeli maT Sesrulebaze.
– axla ukrainaze visaubroT, am qveynis magaliTi ras cxadyofs?
– ukrainis magaliTma TvalnaTliv dagvanaxa, rom evrokavSiri, garkveulwilad, orWofobs mniSvnelovani gadawyvetilebebis miRebisas. darwmunebuli var, ukrainis msgavsi tragedia sxva regionSi rom momxdariyo, evrokavSiri didad Tavs ar Seiwuxebda. rom ara didi britaneTis da aSS-is mkafio mxardaWera ukrainisadmi da aseve, am qveynis teritoriuli siaxlove evropasTan, savaraudod, ruseTs gauadvildeboda ukrainis okupacia. Aaqedan Cans, rogori mniSvnelovania CvenTvis natoSi gaerTianeba, raTa daculi iyos qveynis suvereniteti.
– aris mosazreba, rom evrokavSiris wevri manamde ver gavxdebiT, sanam natoSi ar gaverTiandebiT, ras fiqrobT?
– sakiTxi ase ar dgas, Tumca isic aRsaniSnavia, rom aRmosavleT evropis qveynebi da baltiispireTis respublikebi jer natoSi gaerTiandnen, Semdeg ki evrokavSirSi.
– 30 welia, rac saqarTvelos amerikasTan da evropasTan aqvs urTierToba, am periodSi ra daxmareba gagviwies?
– udavoa, rom evrokavSirma da aSS-ma saxelmwifos ganmtkicebaSi seriozuli daxmareba gagviwies. maTi mxardaWera rom ara, saqarTvelos uamravi problema Seeqmneboda. saqarTvelos warmateba damokidebulia iseT progresze, rogorsac Tundac baltiispireTis qveynebi axorcieleben. esaa demokratiuli standartebis danergva, adamianis uflebebis yovelmxriv dacva, gansxvavebuli Sexedulebebis pativiscema da kanonis uzenaesoba. cxadia, raRac reformebi mtkivneuli iqneba, magram maTi Sesruleba saqarTvelos gadaaqcevs evropuli tipis saxelmwifod, dasavluri principebis mqone saxelmwifo Tu viqnebiT, saqarTvelosa da evroatlantikuri organizaciebis TanamSromloba Seuqcevadi gaxdeba.
– aranakleb mniSvnelovan garemoebaze msurs Tqveni yuradRebis mipyroba, kerZod, rusul propagandaze, romelic postsabWoTa mosaxleobis tvinis gamorecxviTaa dakavebuli. . .
– dasavluri sazogadoeba garkveulia yalbi propagandistuli informaciis raobaSi. maT iolad ver moatyueb, magram es iaraRi jerjerobiT Wris postsabWoTa sivrceSi. samwuxarod, yvelas ar aqvs gaazrebuli, rogor SeiZleba avnos rusulma propagandam saqarTvelos. amas emateba mosaxleobis nawilis skepticizmi dasavleTisadmi mcocav okupaciasTan, natosa da evrokavSirSi gawevrianebis xangrZliv molodinebTan dakavSirebiT. . . …swored am mimarTebiT aqtiurobs rusuli propagandistuli manqana, romlis amocana simarTlis garkveva ki ar aris, aramed politikur mizans emsaxureba. es mizania saqarTveloSi prorusuli diskursis gaZliereba, anu evropuli faseulobebis nivelireba, imaze saubari, rom TiTqos evropa garyvnilia, ruseTi ki erTmorwmune, rac Zalze mcdari Sexedulebaa.
– dabolos, erTian evropul sivrceSi integracia CvenTvis ramdenad mniSvnelovania?
– cxadia, ori azri ar arsebobs, rom Tu evrokavSirSi saqarTvelos integracia moxdeba, es progresuli movlena iqneba Cveni qveynisTvis, radgan es saqarTvelos ganviTarebas yovelmxriv daaCqarebs.
