“ლექსებში ვკარგავ გასაღებს გულის”
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badri sulaZe – cnobili poeti da istorikosi, cxovrebis wesiT, adamianebisadmi damokidebulebiT, kulturiTa da inteleqtiT, Tavisi TviTmyofadi poeziiT sazogadoebis pativiscemasa da siyvaruls imsaxurebs. igi araerTi sayuradRebo literaturuli jildos mflobeli, festivalebisa da konkursebis warmatebuli monawilea.
`mkiTxvelis aRiarebaze didi jildo ar arsebobs~ – ase miaCnia baton badris, romelsac guliTadi urTierToba akavSirebs baTumel mkiTxvelebTanac. misi poeziisadmi interesi araerTxel gamoikveTa baTumis literaturul Sexvedrebze. swored am interesis gamoZaxilia es interviuc.
– `Citebis niskartiT minawers, xeebze vkiTxulob striqonebs~, ra sainteresoa Tqveni leqsidan es amonaridi. . . iSviaTi saxismetyvelebaa, modiT, gvamogzaureT Tqvens poetur samyaroSi, ra aris Tqveni inspiraciis wyaro?
– zogadad, samyaro ferebisa da bgerebis amouwuravi sabadoa, magram dausruleblad unda eZebo, rom SenTvis sasurvels miagno, rasac didi energia, gansxvavebulad xedvisa da aRqmis unari sWirdeba, oRondac siyvarulis gancdiT; mercxlis niskartiT nagrovebi miwiTa da balaxiT nakowiweb-nafereb budes unda hgavdes Sen mier moZiebul-moxmobili sityvebiT gamoZerwili, keTilad samyofeli leqsTa sauflo, romelSic daibudeb da gaTbebi, mere sxvebic rom gaaTbo da gaabedniero. swored siyvarulisa da sikeTis karnaxiT, samyaros gansxvavebulad aRqmis survili kvebavs Cems STagonebas, riTac erTi SexedviT Cveulebriv, xSirad damRlel yofierebas araCveulebriv, Sinaganad damuxtul feradovan samyarod warmovsaxav, realobis maqsimaluri SegrZnebiT, roca soflis orRobis talaxic ki siyvarulis naRmiviT feTqdeba fexqveS da Saraze Camovlili saqonlis zanzalakebis wkarunsac dilis locvis madli mohyveba. . .
– araerTi literaturuli konkursis gamarjvebuli xarT, romels gamoarCevdiT?
– yvela literaturulma konkursma, sadac ki vmonawileobdi, udidesi sixarulis gancda da Zlieri STabeWdileba damitova, Tumca ramdenimes mainc gamovyofdi. 2015 wels, qristianuli poeziis festivalze miRebuli wminda ninos jvari erTgvari Tilisma aRmoCnda CemTvis, radgan misgan gadmosulma madlma didad gansazRvra Cemi SemoqmedebiTi cxovrebis gza. Aaseve, Zvirfasia CemTvis is gamarjveba, wilad xvda leqss „dabadeba“ gazeT „literaturuli mesxeTis“ mier varZiaSi Catarebul literaturul konkursze `SoTaoba – 2016~. SeuZlebelia im emociis daviwyeba, rac baTumis literaturul konkursze „leqsebis gamofena – 2019~ leqsis `seihan~ gamarjvebam rom damitova. meamayeba martvilSi Catarebul literaturul konkursSi „quji – 2020“ gamarjveba. viyavi saqarTvelos kulturisa da sportis saministros literaturuli proeqtis „cocxali wignebi – 2018“ monawile. garda amisa, Zalian mniSvnelovania CemTvis wminda ilia marTlis, jemal ajiaSvilisa da Tamaz wivwivaZis saxelobis premiebi, romlebic sxvadasxva literaturul konkurs-festivalze maqvs miRebuli. es is gamarjveba da sixarulia, adamianad dabadebis mSvenierebas rom gagrZnobinebs.
– `es wigni Cemi cxovrebis gamarjvebaa~ – ase brZaneT leqsebis krebulze `raWa, Sen rom ar myavde~, mogviTxreT amis Taobaze.
– gamarjvebacaa da gamarTlebac. am wignma gansakuTrebuli sixaruli momitana. mis gamocemaSi didi wvlili miuZRvis qalbaton nargiz grZeliSvil-maisuraZes, romelic amerikaSi mcxovrebi emigranti gaxlavT da dRemde madlieri var misi didsulovnebisTvis. wignze didi amagi aqvs redaqtors, qalbaton elene salariZes. `raWa, Sen rom ar myavde“ Cemi sixarulisa da tkivilis gamoxatulebaa, rac im fiqris nayofia, bavSvobidan fexdafex adevnebuli ZaRliviT rom momdevs da ar meSveba. raWul dialeqtze daweril leqsebSi Cateulma sevdanarevma sixarulma sxvebsac safiqrali gauCina, raWvelsac da araraWvelsac, rac mSobliuri kuTxis, misi meurne, muxlCauxreli adamianebis moWarbebuli siyvarulidan da winaprebis xsovnis pativiscemidan momdinareobs. swored esaa wignis gamarjveba, mkiTxvels rom suls auforiaqebs, mosvenebas ar miscems da adamianad yofnis raobaze Caafiqrebs. STambeWdavi iyo aRniSnuli krebulis wardgena raWaSi, nikorwmindis taZris ezoSi, aswlovani cacxvebis qveS, 2015 wels pirvelad Catarebul mxatvruli sityvis festivalze „fuZemzeoba“, romlis ideis avtori da erT-erTi organizatori gaxldaT raWis mkvidri, gulmxurvale mamuliSvili, poeti guram gordeziani. man Cems wignze saubrisas aseTi ram Tqva: „verasdros warmovidgendi, Tu SesaZlebeli iqneboda, xelSi mWeroda wigni, romlidanac Cemi kuTxis ukvdavebis maradiul `iavnanas~ movismendi, Cemi winaprebis SesrulebiT. . .“ sxvebmac, sxva dros, didi siyvaruli gamoxates wignis mimarT, iyo Sefasebebi literaturis kritikosTa mxridanac, iseTi, marto raWuli leqsebi rom geyofa gamosarClebad, ramac didi stimuli momca da raWuli motivebis mTeli cikli Semaqmnevina. 2015 wels, saberZneTSi mcxovrebi emigranti qalbatonis Tamar kirvaliZe-CixraZis xelSewyobiTa da TanadgomiT, gamoica leqsebis krebuli „Citiwyala“, xolo 2021 wels, saqarTvelos kulturisa da sportis saministros mxardaWeriT, daibeWda konkursSi gamarjvebuli wigni „raWuli motivebi“.
– Tqveni leqsebi araerTxel gamxdara kompozitorebis STagonebis wyaro, iwereba simRerebi, romlebsac mRerian cnobili Semsruleblebi. ras grZnobT, roca amRerebul sakuTar leqsebs usmenT?
– mogexsenebaT, leqsTwyobis yvela niuansis gaTvaliswinebiT gamarTuli konvenciuri leqsi Tu verblani melodiurobiT xasiaTdeba. poeti xom sityvis marcvalTa raodenobis monacvleobiT Tavisebur musikalur qargas qmnis, rac sityvis simsubuqesTan, haerovnebasa da feradovnebasTan harmoniaSia da roca amgvari leqsi realur musikalur bgeraTa samyaroSi inacvlebs, kidev ufro Zlier frTebs isxams zecaSi safrenad. usazRvroa molodinis gancda da saboloo SedegiT miRweuli siamovneba. maqvs bedniereba, vmegobrobde iseT niWier kompozitorTan, rogoric eka TevzaZea. jer kidev oTxmocdaaTiani wlebis Sav-TeTri samyaro gamiferada ekam, roca Cemi leqsi „mogisaklise“ aamRera, romelsac momRerali eka kvaliaSvili asrulebda. Semdeg iyo ekas sxva simRerebic, zurab doijaSvilisa da laSa ramiSvilis SesrulebiT. simRera „Relavs zRva“ me da ekam erTad vimRereT da studiuradac CavwereT. imave oTxmocdaaTian wlebSi Sevxvdi momReral qeTi merkvilaZes, romelic maSin popularobis zenitSi iyo. qeTimac Cems leqsebze dawerili araerTi simRera Seasarula. uflis didi wyalobaa, icnobde iseT niWier kompozitors da Rirseul pirovnebas, rogoric merab merabiSvili gaxlavT, romelTanac aseve nayofieri SemoqmedebiTi urTierToba Sedga. Cemi leqsebi sxvadasxva dros warmatebiT aamReres nana zarquam, maia siWinavam, daviT gasitaSvilma da irma kvaSilavam. minda, didi madloba gadavuxado maT im sixarulisTvis, rac mec da msmenelsac mogvaniWes.
– `leqsebSi vkargav gasaRebs gulis~ – ambobT erTgan, anu. . .
– anu Cemi sulis mdgomareoba imgvaria, rom Sinagani samyaro ar maZlevs mSvidad yofnis saSualebas da mibiZgebs dagubebuli emociis gadmosacemad. es emocia Tavisuflad, SeuzRudavad iRvreba furcelze, roca ase mimzidvelia azrovnebis pirvelyofil mSvenierebasTan miaxloeba. leqsi, romelic mxolod Tavisufal stiqiaSi ibadeba, Tavisufal stiqiasve Sobs da minda, mkiTxvelmac Tavisuflad SemoaRwios gulSi davanebul Cems poetur samyaroSi, magram Tuki es vinmes, erTi SexedviT, SeuZleblad moeCveneba, nu dabrkoldeba, leqsebSive eZebos Cemi gulis dakarguli gasaRebi.
– literaturul Sexvedrebsa da saRamoebze roca giwveven, rogoria mkiTxvelebTan Tqveni urTierToba. . .
– poeti leqsis weriT sakuTari SesaZleblobebis TviTrealizacias axdens, rac samyaroSi TviTdamkvidrebisa da gadarCenisTvis sWirdeba, Tumca misi azrovnebis nayofi, upirvelesad, mkiTxvelisTvisaa gankuTvnili. leqsis weris dros mkiTxvelis gemovnebasac viTvaliswineb, vufrTxildebi leqsis mimarT mis emociur damokidebulebas, mgrZnobelobas. poeti SemoqmedebiTi Ziebis mudmiv procesSi, sakuTari Tavisa da mkiTxvelis mimarT udidesi pasuxismgeblobis grZnobiT unda qmnides da amkvidrebdes Tanadroulobis niSniT aRbeWdil maRal literaturul standarts, nawarmoebis, rogorc Sinaarsobriv-emociuri, aseve versifikaciuli TvalsazrisiT. meamayeba, rom Tamaz wivwivaZis fondis mier organizebul im konkursSi gavimarjve, romlis saxelwodebac aris „frTxilad, win mkiTxvelia!~. literaturul konkursebSi monawileoba da gamarjveba gasaxaria, magram erTguli mkiTxvelis aRiarebaze didi jildo ar arsebobs, mkiTxveli ki mxolod maSin gaRiarebs da migiRebs, roca Sens SemoqmedebaSi maRal literaturul gemovnebasTan erTad gulwrfelobasac dainaxavs. yovelTvis did siyvaruls vgrZnob Cemi mkiTxvelisgan socialur qselebSi urTierTobis Tu literaturul saRamoebze Sexvedrisas. bolodroindeli Sexvedrebidan gamovyofdi aWaris muzeumis direqtoris moadgilis, SesaniSnavi mwerlisa da sazogado moRvawis, qalbaton inga gogiberiZis mier organizebul salonur saRamos baTumis ilia WavWavaZis saxelobis muzeumSi, araCveulebrivi poetis Tengo xuciSvilis mier Catarebul poeziis saRamos mcxeTaSi, kafe „tatinSi“ da literaturis kritikosis, profesor Tamar gelitaSvilis organizebul saRamos goris universitetis, giorgi maxarobliZis saxelobis literaturul kafeSi. mTeli cxovreba gamyveba am saRamoebis TiToeuli monawilis yuradRebiT, gulwrfelobiTa da erTgulebiT gamowveuli sixarulis gancda.
– Tqveni dakvirvebiT, Tanamedrove mwerlebi rogor epyrobian qarTul enas?
– qarTuli ena dedasaviT mosaferebeli da mosafrTxilebelia, rac, sabednierod, bevr Tanamedrove mwerals aqvs gacnobierebuli, Tumca rakiRa kiTxva gaCnda, e.i. problemac arsebobs, arada, Tu ara mwerali, vin unda zrunavdes enobrivi normebis dacvasa da qarTuli sityvis madlis SenarCunebaze, miT umetes, roca ase ganebivrebuli varT kargi moqarTule mwerlebis simravliT. sxvagvarad, rogor iqneba?. . SoTas, ilias, vaJas, akakis, galaktionis qveyanaSi rogor unda davuSvaT mdidari qarTuli enis gaRaribeba, ucxo sityvebis mourideblad, daufiqreblad gamoyenebis fonze. piriqiT, qarTuli enis qomagad unda iqces TiToeuli mwerali, rom qarTul ZarRvian sityvas ar daekargos is Zala da feradovneba, rasac agrerigad eferebodnen giorgi leoniZe, rezo inaniSvili, goderZi Coxeli. . . piradad me, leqsis weris dros, did mniSvnelobas vaniWeb sityvis haerovnebas, simsubuqes, feradovnebasa da melodiurobas. grZnobebis siRrmiseulad gadmosacemad, aseve, saWirod mimaCnia ukve kargad nacnobi sityvebis mcire saxecvlilebiT SekavSireba da Camoqnac ki, anu gamdidreba. poeti unda iswrafodes sakuTari, yvelasgan gansxvavebuli xelweris Camoyalibebisken; axali sityvebis Seqmna erT-erTi saSualebaa am miznis misaRwevad. amitomac daibada Cems poeziaSi sityvebi: RamegiSeroba, sxivmTvaresi (romelic meore sityvasTan – `simTvraleSi~ gariTmvis aucileblobam warmoSva), foTolmzeobdes, amonatvrisfrda, fernaqcevi, namcvrevi, Taflamtevnebi, anargizeba, zRaparxilva, vardgiSera, TvalmnaTi da sxv.
– akademikos giorgi Citaias xuTtomeuli rom gamovida, erT-erTi pirveli gamoexmaureT. ra datvirTva aqvs am wignebs axalgazrdebis erovnuli cnobierebis amaRlebaSi?
– akademikos giorgi Citaias „Sromebis“ xuTtomeulis ganmeorebiTi gamocemiT saqarTvelos kulturisa da sportis saministrom ara marto erovnuli, saxelmwifoebrivi xedva gamoxata, aramed udidesi mxardaWera – qveynis kulturuli memkvidreobis dacvasa da warmoCenaSi. es is gzaa, momavalma Taobebma rom unda iaron da bolomde gaacnobieron azrovnebisa da qmedebis is erovnuli qvakuTxedi, razedac maTi moqalaqeobrivi pozicia unda daSendes. giorgi Citaias Sromebis xuTtomeulSi gamovlenilia qarTuli kulturis TviTmyofadi warmomavloba, saqarTvelosa da kavkasiis eTnografiul sinamdvileSi Semonaxuli rogorc sameurneo da materialuri kulturis, aseve, socialuri movlenebisa da ideologiuri urTierTobis kulturul-istoriuli Rirebuleba. . . furceli – furcels, fiqri fiqrs mihyveba cxvris faras adevnebuli nagaziviT da Suka-Suka, mxcovani mecnieris nakvalevze mosiarule naTlad grZnob, Tu rogor saqarTvelos efereboda, rogor saqarTvelos daatarebda lokokinas niJarasaviT zurgze mokidebuls. qarTveli xalxis erTianobis ideiT aris gamTbari misi azrovneba, romelic saqarTvelos eTnografiuli kuTxeebis calkeul kulturul miRwevebs erT mTlian zogadqarTul kulturaSi warmogvisaxavs da, rac mTavaria, gvaswavlis imis gacnobierebas, ra aris Cveni umTavresi saqme, ra didi madlia uxmaurod, samSoblis sakeTildReod saqmis keTebaSi. . .
– eTnografiul muzeumSi muSaobis gamocdileba ras gkarnaxobT, ras ganazogadebdiT?
– daviwyeb imiT, rom eTnografiuli muzeumi didi mamuliSvilis, qarTuli eTnografiuli skolis fuZemdeblis, akademikos giorgi Citaias saxels atarebs, radgan swored is gaxlavT saqarTveloSi eTnografiuli muzeumis daarsebis ideis avtori, muzeumis, sadac erTiani, daunawevrebeli saqarTvelos aRqma da gancdaa SesaZlebeli. . . daabijeb am erT xelisgulze dasatev saqarTvelos miwaze, svanuri koSki gadmogyurebs kldis natexiviT mkvrivi, utexi svani kaciviT da geimedeba es miwac da misi momavalic. . . amitom daarsda es muzeumi, rom cxovrebis xvatiT gaTangulebma swored aq movibrunoT suli, aq vilocoT taZariviT agebuli am patara saqarTvelosTvis. . .
– didi winaprebis gacocxleba rom SegeZloT, vis gaacocxlebdiT?
– Tuki erT-erTi unda gavacocxlo, maSin – ilia WavWavaZes. „ilia marTali“ sityviT da saqmiT sakuTar TavSi aerTianebs im maradiul Rirebulebebs, razedac idga Cveni didebuli warsuli da razedac Cveni bednieri momavali unda daSendes – „mamuli, ena, sarwmunoeba.“
– rogor mkiTxvelad migaCniaT Tavi? Tqveni rCeuli wignebi da mwerlebi. . .
– vcdilob, Tvali mivadevno rogorc msoflio, aseve qarTul literaturul sivrceSi mimdinare procesebs. erTxel wakiTxuls meored aRar vubrundebi, pirveli STabeWdilebis qveS vamjobineb darCenas, Tu mxedvelobaSi ar miviReb zogierTi nawarmoebis calkeuli epizodebis ufro detalurad ganxilvas, ramac an mZafri emociuri SegrZneba damitova, an mxatvruli azrovnebis srulyofilebiT momxibla. konkretuli mwerlis, an wignis gamoyofa gamiZneldeba, radgan yvelas Tavisi adgili aqvs Cems SemecnebaSi, Cemi Tvalsawieris gafarToebaSi. yvelam raRac xelSesaxebi SesZina Cems sulierebas. Bbolo dros marTalia, mZime STabeWdileba damitova nobeliati mwerlis herta miuleris wignma „mefe daixreba da klavs“, romelic rumineTis diqtatoruli reJimiT gawamebuli germaneli qalis cxovrebas exeba, Tumca kidev erTxel gamimZafra gancda, rom nebismieri qveynis samoqalaqo sazogadoebaSi mimdinare humanur procesebs alternativa ar gaaCnia. metad saintereso samyaros veziare Turqul poeziasTan SexebiT. baton aleqsandre elerdaSvilisa da qalbaton mayvala xarebavas pwkaredebis mixedviT vTargmne aTaol behramoRlus, seniur sezeris, muradxan munganis leqsebi, romlebic Turquli poeziis anTologiaSic Sevida. CemTvis namdvili aRmoCena iyo awgardacvlili, axalgazrda iaponeli poeti qalis misuZu kanekos poeziis gacnoba, rasac SesaniSnavma mweralma da mTargmnelma mariam wiklaurma gvaziara. es aris wigni sicocxlis siyvarulze, roca qarsac ki aRar unda baRis daketili karis SeReba, ayvavebuli zeTisxilis surneleba rom ar gafantos. me miyars mziani wignebis kiTxva, iseTis – nodar dumbaZis, rezo inaniSvilis azrovnebis nayofi rom hqvia da Senc aucileblad unda eziaro, ufro metad rom gakeTilSobilde.
– bukinistebSi Tu dadixarT? da Tu, ra SeiZineT iq TqvenTvis mniSvnelovani?
– cifruli biblioTekis xanaSi bukinistebSi aRar davdivar, Tumca adreul wlebSi, gansakuTrebiT studentobis periodSi, araerTi rariteti SemiZenia, maT Soris `berZnuli literaturis istoria~, zaqaria WiWinaZis `mefe iraklis glexi gmirebi~, pavle ingoroyvas „rusTaveli da misi poema“, niko lorTqifaniZis „novelebi“ da sxva.
– roca bunebaSi xarT. . . rogor kiTxulobT bunebis did wigns?
– bunebasTan urTierTobaSi yalibdeba adamianis msoflmxedveloba, rac did rols TamaSobs misi socialur-ekonomikuri Tu kulturuli cxovrebis mTavari mimarTulebebis gansazRvraSi. buneba ara marto materialurad, aramed sulierad gvkvebavs da gvasazrdoebs, magram mxolod siamovneba da sargebloba ki ar unda miviRoT misgan, aramed yuric unda davugdoT, raTa bevri ram viswavloT. bunebac adamianiviTaa, migiRebs, mogefereba, guls gadagixsnis, mesaidumled gagixdeba, Tumca gabrazebac icis, roca wyenas mewyrebad, wyaldidobebad da zvavebad gamoxatavs. unda davfiqrdeT, ra SegveSala, ra vawyenineT, unda gavugoT mas, moveferoT, gavufrTxildeT da isic gagvifrTxildeba. buneba dedasaviTaa da gabrazebac epatieba.
– ojaxi patara saxelmwifoa, asea? mogviTxreT Tqvens ojaxze.
– ojaxSi mTavari urTierTpativiscema da siyvaruli, Tanagancdaa, rac ufro metad amyarebs urTierTobebs. ojaxSi, safiqralisa da problemebis miuxedavad, mSvidad unda grZnobde Tavs. saxelmwifoSic asea – Tu sityva fasobs da kanoni kanonobs, Tu sazogadoebis TiToeul wevrs moqalaqeobrivi pasuxismgeblobis gancda amoZravebs, erTmaneTze zrunvis niSniT, yvelaferi rigzea. Cemi ojaxi cxovrebis tradiciuli wesebis mimdevaria; vufrTxildebiT erTmaneTsac da maTac, visTanac urTierToba gviwevs. vfiqrobT, vdardobT, gvixaria. vcdilobT, Cveni arsebobiT sxvebi ar SevawuxoT. Cemi meuRle – marine nikoleiSvili profesiiT istorikosia da CemTan erTad Tbilisis eTnografiul muzeumSi saqmianobs; myavs ori Svili – TamTa da beqa. TamTa erT-erT sadazRvevo kompaniaSi muSaobs da Tavis patara ojaxze zrunviTaa dakavebuli. gvaxarebs sesilikos, Cemi SviliSvilis warmateba, romelic jer cxra wlisaa, magram sakmaod damajereblad asparezobs mxatvrul tanvarjiSSi, saerTaSoriso turnirebzec ki. beqa „imedisa“ da „postivis“ satelevizio arxebis scenaristi da iumoristia – Tavis saqmeze uzomod Seyvarebuli, rasac sakmaod kargad arTmevs Tavs erTguli megobrebis mxardaWeriTa da gverdSi dgomiT.
– sadac vSobilvar, gavzrdilvar. . . xSirad stumrobT adgils, sadac daibadeT?
– tyibulSi davibade. aris aseTi patara da lamazi qalaqi imereTSi. saSualo skola iq davamTavre. megobruli klasi myavda, mzrunveli, saqmis erTguli maswavleblebi, usayvarlesi, uTbilesi mezoblebi, keTili RimiliTa da SesaSuri yuradRebiT, maTTan urTierTobas rom araferi merCia. . . mabednierebs im wlebis gaxseneba, rasac udardeli bavSvoba erqva. . . mere TbilisSi wamovedi ojaxTan erTad, mere -jari, umaRlesSi swavla da mSobliur qalaqs iSviaTad vstumrobdi, ufro gavliT miwevda misi monaxuleba, raWaSi mimavals. raWaSi sxvagvarad vazrovneb, TiTqos axali sunTqva mexsneba, iq Cemi guli saydris karze miglesili sanTeliviT sxvagvarad iwvis, iq Cemi mSoblebis, axloblebisa da winaprebis saflavebia, mTavarangelozis eklesiis ezoSi. . . maTi xelmonakidebi da nafereb-naloliavebia yvelaferi da guli ufro iqiTken mimiwevs. . . samSoblos gancda xom saflaviTac iwyeba. . .
– rwmena mTebs SeZravso, amboben, Tqven ras ityodiT, ra aris Tqveni rwmenis saTave?
– Cemi rwmena bavSvobidan iRebs saTaves, bebia rom boxCuanebs da sarTvianebs gamoacxobda, piramde galiclicebuli sazedaSe Wuridan Rvinos amoiRebda, Taflis sanTels Camoqnida da ase sanTel-ganatexiT xeldamSvenebuli mieaxleboda mTavarangelozs locva-vedrebiT. Cemi rwmena RvTis moSiSobidan, RvTis siyvarulidan iRebs saTaves. es is rwmenaa, roca mindvris patara cvaridanac RmerTi miyurebs, roca mitovebuli soflis usazRvro sevdaSi, daTovlili wiTeli Zaxvelic imedis momcemad anaTebs ukidegano okeanis SuqurasaviT.
– xelovnuri inteleqtis epoqaSi adaptirebisaTvis ras urCevdiT Tqveni Taobis adamianebs, gansakuTrebiT mwerlebs?
– mxolod garegnulma mSvenierebam ar unda mogvxiblos, sulis mdgomareobaze unda vidardoT, rom ar gavucxovdeT, ar gavuxeSdeT. mTavaria, adamianebad davrCeT, sicocxleze Seyvarebul keTil adamianebad.
