“ბალანსის დაცვას ჯერჯერობით ვახერხებთ, ვნახოთ, რა იქნება მომავალში”
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baTumis ilia WavWavaZis dramatul TeatrSi 145-e Teatraluri sezoni speqtakl „kacia adamianiT?!~ daixura. sezonze 10 axali speqtaklis premiera Sedga. 146-e Teatraluri sezoni oqtomberSi ganaxlebuli repertuariT gaixsneba da mayurebels saintereso speqtaklebs SesTavazebs. baTumis dramatuli Teatris samxatvro xelmZRvanel aleqsandre qanTarias SefasebiT, sezoni warmatebuli iyo. igi CvenTan interviuSi Teatralur sezons ajamebs da sxva mniSvnelovan sakiTxebze gvesaubreba.
– 145-e Teatraluri sezoni rom SeajamoT, ramdenad nayofieri iyo igi?
– wels jamSi 10 sxvadasxva Janris speqtakli daidga da namdvilad mravalferovani sezoni gamovida. CvenTvis umTavresi da sasixaruloa, rom Teatri Tavis daniSnulebas asrulebs da es aris sazogadoebis samsaxurSi yofna. mTeli sezonis ganmavlobaSi gvyavda mayurebeli da darbazi savse iyo. amdenad, qalaqis, sazogadoebis samsaxurSi yofnis misias Cven pirnaTlad vasrulebT. es mxolod da mxolod dasawyisia, repertuars yovel sezonze ganaxleba sWirdeba, rom sxvadasxva TaobisTvis TeatrSi mosvla saintereso gaxdes. iyo saubari, rom TeatrSi xalxma kovidis Semdeg daiwyo siaruli, sruli pasuxismgeblobiT geubnebiT, rom kovidi aq arafer SuaSia. es aris Teatris yoveli TanamSromlis damsaxureba, speqtaklebis swori dagegmarebis Sedegi. Cven gvaqvs 2 Tvis ganrigi. aseve, mniSvnelovania, rom mayurebelma ukve Tvis dasawyisSi icis – Tvis bolos ra premiera elodeba da bileTebic gayidvaSia, romlis fass ar vzrdiT, radgan vTvliT, rom xalxisTvis xelmisawvdomi unda iyos. aseTi tradiciebis sarepertuaro Teatri aucileblad saxalxo unda iyos da yvelasTvis unda moiZebnebodes raRac saintereso – rogorc moswavleebisTvis, ise studentebisTvis da, cxadia, ufrosi Taobis warmomadgenlebisTvis.
– romel speqtakls gamoarCevdiT da ratom?
– es, ra Tqma unda, mayurebelma unda Tqvas, Tumca davasaxeleb Cems speqtakls, romelic am sezonze davdgi – bulgakovis `baTumi~, sadac asaxulia stalinis axalgazrdoba. TbilisSic gvqonda waRebuli, rusTavelis TeatrSi, Semdeg gorSic viTamaSeT. minda aRvniSno, rom kidev bevri Zalian saintereso speqtakli daidga. gamovarCevdi – „roca gadauReblad wvims~, romelic malxaz aslamaziSvilma mcire scenaze dadga. Zalian kargi iyo `me vxedav mzes~ da „kacia adamiani?!~, romelic bolos daidga da amiT sezonic daixura. vfiqrob, am speqtaklSi saintereso formaa napovni. cxadia, yvela speqtakli Tanabari donis ver iqneba, es gamoricxulia, magram im Tamasas ar unda CamovcdeT, romelsac profesionalizmi hqvia da es ar aris advili. dRes masobrivi kulturaa mozRvavebuli. kargia, rom yvela TamaSobs, yvela dgams, magram zRvari unda arsebobdes profesionalTa da moyvarulTa Soris. es zRvari xSirad iSleba xolme da axla swored am Tamasis SenarCunebas vcdilobT. profesionals sxva Tvisebebi da movaleobebi aqvs da bunebrivia, mis mimarT pretenziebic sxvanairia.
– faqtia, baTumis dramatul Teatrs aqvs repertuari, rac xangrZlivi drois ganmavlobaSi ar arsebobda, marTlac, sakmaod bevri speqtakli daidga, rogor moaxerxeT es?
– sarepertuaro Teatris tradiciebis xelmZRvaneli rom xdebi, pirvel rigSi, ra Tqma unda, sworad unda gadaanawilo yvelaferi. Seni pirveli amocanaa, mayurebeli daaintereso da moizido. rac 2 wlis ganmavlobaSi SevZeliT – es aris TanamSromlebis pasuxismgeblobis amaRleba. roca isini grZnoben, rom darbazi savsea, bunebrivia, meti motivacia aqvT (rogorc SemoqmedebiT, ise teqnikur personals), Tumca es procesi kidev ufro gansaviTarebelia. mogexsenebaT, monitori SeviZineT, romelic Teatris fasadzea damontaJebuli, aseve, eleqtronuli dafebi gvaqvs, viyenebT satelefono Setyobinebebsac, vaqtiurobT socialur qselebSi. maqsimalurad vcdilobT, rom reklamiT kidev ufro meti mayurebeli movizidoT. aRsaniSnavia isic, rom universitetebTan memorandumebi gavaformeT, kontaqti gvaqvs studentebTan, maT profesorebTan. swored am yvelaferma erTad gamoiRo Sedegi, mayurebelma CaTvala, rom es misi Teatria. CemTvis principulad mniSvnelovania, rom jer Seni qalaqisTvis ivargo, Senma mayurebelma gaRiaros aq da karg msaxiobad gcnos. mxolod amis Semdeg unda garbode sxvagan. Mminda, didi madloba gadavuxado baTumel mayurebels gulSematkivrobisTvis, interesisTvis da Cvenc yvelanairad SevecdebiT, rom momavalSi ufro saintereso nawarmoebebi SemogTavazoT. ar SemiZlia, ar aRvniSno, rom aWaris ganaTlebis, kulturisa da sportis ministr maia xajiSvilisa da aWaris mTavrobis Tavmjdomare Tornike riJvaZis mier yvela Cemi wamowyeba da iniciativa mxardaWerili iyo da swored aman gansazRvra yvelaferi. roca yvelas survilia, rom Teatri qalaqSi iyos mniSvnelovani, maSin yvelaferi gamodis.
– rogor arCevT reJisorebs, romlebsac baTumis dramatul TeatrSi speqtaklebis dadgmis SesaZlebloba eZlevaT?
– sxvaTa Soris, Zalian bevri Tavad gamoTqvams survils, rom baTumSi dadgas speqtakli da cxadia, Cvenc maTi perspeqtivis mixedviT varCevT. axalgazrdebsac ar veubnebiT uars. simarTle giTxraT, Zalian mainteresebs, axalgazrda reJisorebs ra kiTxvebi aqvT samyarosTan, ras fiqroben, rogori xedva axasiaTebT, aqvT Tu ara fantazia. Zalian bevri reJisoria amJamad, Cem dros sul ramdenime iyo, SeiZleba iTqvas, TiTze viTvlidiT. samomavlod Cemi Taobis reJisorebsac velodebi, maTTan TanamSromlobis imedi maqvs, visac vendobi da visi profesionalizmisac mjera. samwuxarod, aseTi bevri ar aris.
– Teatris erT-erTi daniSnuleba, garTobasTan erTad, mayureblis gemovnebis gazrdaa, rogor fiqrobT, Tqveni speqtaklebi akmayofilebs Tu ara am kriteriums?
– cxadia, yvela speqtakls aqvs Tavisi idea. Cvens speqtaklebSic aris ideac da poziciac. ra Tqma unda, gvaqvs saxaliso, komediuri Janris speqtaklebi, romelTa mimarT, cxadia, meti interesia da es mTel msoflioSi asea. yvelas unda, rom gaamxiarulos da daasvenos xalxi. danarCeni speqtaklebis mimarTac, iqneba es `sofelsa Sina~, `deda kuraJi~ Tu sxva, aris mayureblis interesi, Tumca dabalansebaa saWiro. ar unda gaeqce mayurebels da iseTi ram ar unda dadga, rom Tqvas – veraferi gavige, magram, albaT, sainteresoao. es imas niSnavs, rom Sen iqiT xar, mayurebeli ki aqeT. Tu ginda, rom mayurebeli gyavdes, aucileblad unda gaiTvaliswino maTi interesebi, Tumca Teatri ar unda iqces `oficiantad~ – meniu gvaqvs, dagvavales, rom maincdamainc es undaT, Senc unda gaiqce da miutano. Aai, amitomaa saWiro Sualedis povna da es, ra Tqma unda, ar aris advili. Teatris daniSnulebaa, rom mayurebels sixarulic mianiWos da meore mxriv, kiTxvebi gauCinos, speqtaklebiT mouyves ambebi, romlebic maTTvis damajerebeli iqneba da amiT STabeWdilebas miiReben. balansis dacvas jerjerobiT vaxerxebT, vnaxoT, ra iqneba momavalSi.
– ivseba Tu ara Tqveni xelmZRvanelobis periodSi dasi axali msaxiobebiT da ras etyodiT maT?
– baTums aqvs xelovnebis saswavlo universiteti da cxadia, hyavT samsaxiobo jgufebic. studentebTan kontaqti gvaqvs, vcdilobT, rom mivceT Sansi da gamoCndnen xolme Cvens speqtaklebSi. vcdilobT, maTTvis Sesaferisi nawarmoebi davdgaT, maTi problemebi warmovaCinoT. momavali maTia, Zalian miyvars maTTan muSaoba. Tavad 22 wlis viyavi, roca ukve studentebi myavda da mas Semdeg maTTan urTierToba CemTvis Zalian mniSvnelovania.
– Tqvenma speqtaklma „sofelsa Sina“ sakmaod farTo rezonansi gamoiwvia. dResac msjeloben am speqtaklis finalze, romlis saTqmelic orgvarad SeiZleba gavigoT. gasagebia, rom arCevani mayurebels mianiWeT, magram Tavad Tqven rogor gaigebdiT, mayurebeli rom yofiliyaviT?
– es aris mixeil javaxiSvilis nawarmoebi, sadac mTavari ambavi swored is aris, rom xalxma didi emociuri aRtkineba ganicada da CaTvala, yvelafers moerevian. adamians, romelic afrTxilebda, ar gindaT, SeCerdiTo, pasuxobdnen ara, movereviTo. . . Tumca rogorc ki Zala dainaxes da imperiam soflis asawiokeblad 5 000 jariskaci gamogzavna, xalxma ukan daixia da is marto darCa. amis gamo piradi cxovrebac daengra da sabolood, gamovida, rom Tavi gaswira. amazea speqtaklic, rom emociebs ar unda ahyves xalxi, rodesac qveynis beds exeba saqme. sakuTari Tavi SeiZleba gadado, mgram Tu mTeli qveyana SeiZleba saSinel dReSi Caagdo da daRupvis piras miiyvano, maSin rogor unda moviqceT? swored es kiTxva maqvs dasmuli. Sen ar unda gadaibiro sxvebi, rodesac qveynis saWirboroto sakiTxebi dgeba wina planze. es mixeil javaxiSvilma jer kidev 1905 wels JenevaSi dawera. es misi erTaderTi moTxrobaa da vfiqrob, Zalian sainteresod moxerxda misi dadgma.
– winaswar sakmaod didi xmauri atyda Tqven mier stalinze speqtaklis dadgmasTn dakavSirebiT. ratom iyo TqvenTvis saintereso am istoriuli pirovnebis scenaze gacocxleba?
– namdvilad didi ambavi atyda. jer dadgmuli ar mqonda, repeticiebi dawyebulic ar iyo, roca lamis saprotesto aqciebi dagegmes, raRac jgufebi gamoCnda, werdnen: `ar dadgaT!~, vfiqrobdi rom aseTi aJiotaJi kargia, radgan esec piaria da xalxis interesia. davdgiT da velodebodi, rom an aq, an gorSi aqciebiT dagvxdeboda xalxi. . . Senc ar momikvde (icinis), yvelam taSiT da ovaciebiT miiRo speqtakli. erTi nawili, albaT stalinis xotbas eloda, meore ki piriqiT – mis gaSavebas. Cven ki avsaxeT – rogor Camovida adamiani da Tavisi politikuri miznebisTvis xalxi gamoiyena, maTi gaWirvebiT isargebla, gafica qarxnebi da Semdeg tyviac ki asrolina, ramac misi popularoba gazarda. es xom namdvili ambavia, baTumSi moxda. . . Semdeg deputati gaxda, JenevaSi miiwvies, lenins Sexvda da misi karieris aRmasvla daiwyo. . . magram Tavidan xom Zalian momxibvleli iyo, xalxmac xom daujera? egonaT, rom yvelafers maTTvis akeTebda. niWieri kaci iyo, magram borotebasac aqvs Tavisi xibli da am mxriv Zalian frTxilad unda iyos xalxi. ase vTqvaT, „gafrTxileba“ speqtaklia da es rom dainaxes, gakvirvebulebi darCnen. amoRebuli qvebi da droSebi ukanve waiRes, CanTaSi Caalages (icinis).
– ramdenad komfortulia TqvenTvis baTumis dasTan muSaoba?
– saintereso msaxiobebi arian. roca Camovedi da gadavxede, mTel repertuarSi, ZiriTadad, 8-12 kaci TamaSobda. uamravi msaxiobi umoqmedod iyo. dRes repertuarSi 16-17 speqtakli gvaqvs da SemiZlia Tamamad vTqva, rom dasis yvela wevri (45 adamiani) speqtaklebSi monawileobs. maT motivaciac gauCndaT. zogadad, msaxiobis profesia bevr ramezea damokidebuli -iRbalzec, profesionalizmzec, unarebze. . . zogjer xdeba isec, rom igi repertuaris gareSe rCeba, imedi ucruvdeba da nel-nela Teatrisganac ucxovdeba. msaxiobebi ukan moviyvaneT da yvelani davakaveT. vxedav, rom TiToeuls raRac potenciali da perspeqtiva aqvs. mxolod saxeli – gvariT ar unda memsjela, isini saqmeSi unda gamomecada da asec moviqeci. vnaxoT, momavalSi ra rogor iqneba. minda aRvniSno, rom upiratesobas adgilobriv, baTumel msaxiobebs vaniWeb. Camosuli gastroliori, romelmac sxva qalaqidan unda iaros da Teatrma fexi auwyos, is rodis moiclis – es gamoricxulia. maqsimalurad veridebi aseT situaciebs. Teatri msaxiobs ver moergeba, piriqiT unda xdebodes, Cven Cveni ganrigi gvaqvs. Tu, davuSvaT, orSabaTs paraskevis speqtakls niSnav, Semdeg moxsni da samSabaTs gadaitan, bunebrivia, xalxi aseT pirobebSi speqtaklze ar ivlis. stabiluroba aris gadamwyveti da amis SenarCunebas vcdilobT. vinc am stabilurobas xels ar SeuSlis, yvelasTan vTanamSromlob. pirvelia Teatris interesebi da isini, vinc Tavis interesebze maRla Teatris interesebs daayenebs. aseTia Cemi pozicia.
– ra siaxleebs unda elodos mayurebeli baTumis dramatul TeatrSi?
– bolos ilia WavWavaZis `kacia adamiani?!~ davdgiT. principuli survili gvqonda, rom ilia WavWavaZis saxelobis Teatris da repertuarSi am mwerlis nawarmoebi yofiliyo. minda sxva qarTveli klasikosebis nawarmoebebic davdgaT, amasTan aucileblad unda ganvaxorcieloT Tanamedrove da ucxoel avtorTa nawarmoebebic. SarSan, saaxalwlod sabavSvo miuzikli „urCxuli da mzeTunaxavi“ daidga, romelic sakmaod warmatebuli gamodga. Zalian minda, raRac msgavsi gavimeoroT, Semdeg ki perspeqtivaSi iseT klasikosebTan gadavideT, rogorebicaa Seqspiri, goeTe, Sileri, aseve, Tanamedrove klasikosebi. vxedav, rom SegviZlia ufro rTul piesebsac SeveWidoT, magram, cxadia, es TanmimdevrobiT unda moxdes. pirveli stabilurobis miRweva iyo da es SevZeliT. momavalSic Cvens mayurebels yvela TaobisTvis morgebul, ufro mravalferovan repertuars SevTavazebT.
