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qandakebis Seqmna niWTan, profesionalizmTan erTad did Sromasac moiTxovs. moqandake xom istorias qmnis, romelic saukuneebis manZilze iwereba. . . moqandake, romelic dRes minda gagacnoT, uCveulo masalas iyenebs Tavisi qmnilebebisTvis – daviT qabzinaZe riyis qvebiT saintereso namuSevrebs gvTavazobs, riTac amiT socialur qselSic popularuli gaxda.
– rogor da ratom dainteresdiT am saqmiT?
– bavSvobidan mainteresebda. mama moqandake myavs, romelic moswavleebs amecadinebda. mec maTTan erTad vijeqi da vxatavdi. xatva 8-9 wlis asakSi daviwye, Semdeg Zerwva da ase qandakebamdec mivedi. me-9 klasidan gamovedi skolidan da iakob nikolaZis samxatvro saswavlebelSi qandakebis fakultetze Cavabare. studentobis periodSi samebis eklesiis mSeneblobaze samuSaod wavedi da qvis damuSavebac iq viswavle.
– mama rogor afasebs, mis kvals rom gahyeviT?
– mama iakob nikolaZis samxatvro saswavlebelSi aswavlida da Cemi pedagogic iyo. miuxedavad imisa, rom man yvelaze kargad icoda, ra sirTuleebTan iyo dakavSirebuli qandakebis Seqmna, gverdiT medga, Tumca xSirad maxsenebda, rom sakmaod Sromatevad saqmes SeveWide.
– pirveli qandakeba rogor SeqmeniT?
– mama mSral xidze idga da iq yidda sakuTar namuSevrebs, magram, rodesac avad gaxda da veRar SeZlo dgoma, gadavwyvite, Camenacvlebina da qandakebebis keTeba daviwye. pirveli qandakeba qalis torsi iyo, romelic ramdenime dReSi gavyide. aman Zalian didi stimuli momca da Semdeg aqtiurad daviwye qandakebebze muSaoba.
– qvis povnisTanave ukve gaqvT idea, ras gaakeTebT?
– ZiriTadad, qvas vipovi Tu ara, vici, ra unda gavakeTo. amas Tavad qvis struqutura meubneba. xandaxan SeiZleba, Tavidan sxva idea mqondes, magram Semdeg qvam moiTxovos raRac detalebis Secvla, amitom muSaobis procesSi qvis gadakeTeba da ideis Secvlac miwevs.
– rTulia samuSao masalis povna?
– mdinareebis napirebze vpoulob qvebs. riyis qvas yidva ar sWirdeba, magram did Zalisxmevas saWiroebs misi povna. gansakuTrebiT miyvars aragvis piras siaruli da Zebna, radgan iq bevrad lamazi qvebia, vidre sxvagan. riyis qvebis garda qandakebebs brinjaosgan da marmarilosganac vakeTeb.
– ramdenad rTulia TqvenTvis es saqme?
– CemTvis rTuli aRaraa, radgan qvasTan Sexeba wlebia maqvs. zogadad ki rTuli saqmea, mTeli dRe mtverSi uwevs moqandakes yofna. SeiZleba mTeli dRe Talo qva da bolos ar gamovides is, rac gindoda. yvelaferTan erTad qvis Tla janmrTelobisTvis safrTxilocaa. muSaobisas aucileblad pirbade unda gekeTos, raTa mtveri ar Cavides filtvebSi, saTvalec unda gaikeTo, Tvalebi rom ar dagizianos qvis natexebma, Tumca me Zalian miWirs pirbadis da saTvalis erTad gamoyeneba.
– dRis ganmavlobaSi ra dros uTmobT muSaobas?
– xandaxan mTeli dRe, xanac naxevari dRe. yvela SemTxvevaSi, mtvris gamo Ria sivrceSi unda gaiTalos qva, amitom amindzec var damokidebuli. zedmeti sicive da sicxe Zalian mawuxebs da miSlis xels saqmis keTebaSi.
– ufro xSirad ra saxis SekveTebs iRebT momxmareblebisgan?
– umetes SekveTebs ojaxis qandakebebze viReb, radgan momxmareblebi sakuTari ojaxis wevrebs xedaven am qandakebaSi.
– ra procesebs gadis qva, sanam qanadakebad iqceva?
– jer qva iTleba, Semdeg detalebi iZerweba, Semdegi etapi brinjaos Casxma da damuSavebaa. Semdeg qvis gaprialeba da bolos TiToeuli detali TanmimdevrobiT iwyoba.
– aqtiuri xarT socialur qselSi. es aris is adgili, sadac Tqveni naSromebis realizacia xdeba?
– asea, dRes sakuTar naSromebs realizacias sxvadasxva socialuri qselis jgufebidan vaxden. es aris Cemi Semosavlis wyaro da bevri jgufis administratoric uangarod mexmareba amaSi, risTvisac maT madloba minda gadavuxado.
– gaZlevT stimuls sazogadoebis mxridan daintereseba?
– CemTvis es Zalian didi stimulia, maZlevs Zalas, rom ufro da ufro ukeTesi qandakebebi vakeTo.
– ramdenad Semosavliani da popularulia es saqme saqarTveloSi?
– Zalian bevrs moswons, magram saqarTveloSi yvelas ar aqvs fufuneba, rom qandakebebSi Tanxa gadaixados. vfiqrob, ucxoeTSi gasvlas, vecedebi, Cemi xelovneba iqac gavitano, Tumca ar vici, ra gamomiva. mxatvrebis baRSi rom videqi, iq bevri turisti modioda, Tumca socialur qselebSi naklebi turisti xedavs Cems Semoqmedebas da Sesabamisad, maTi mxridan naklebi interesia.
– xelovani adamianebi sakuTari Semoqmedebis garkveul nawils ar yidian, radgan Zalian enanebaT, Tqvens SemTxvevaSi rogor aris?
– yofila namuSevrebi, romlebic damnanebia, Tumca Semdeg ukeTesi gamikeTebia. SemiZlia vTqva, ar maqvs es gancda, rom romelime CemTan unda iyos samudamod.
– apirebT Tu ara gamofenis mowyobas?
– personaluri gamofena SarSan Semodgomaze mqonda. Tu davagrove namuSevrebis sakmarisi raodenoba, kvlav vapireb. namuSevrebidan bevri meyideba da mere miWirs im raodenobis Sekreba, rac gamofenisTvis aucilebelia.
– Tqveni namuSevrebis umetesobas emigrantebi yiduloben, rogor fiqrobT, ratom?
– diax, sakuTari ojaxisTvis yiduloben. socialuri qseliT mikavSirdebian da ise iZenen. amerikis garda, Cemi sakmaod bevri namuSevari italiaSi, germaniasa da ruseTSicaa. me es faqti Zalian meamayeba, radgan Cemi namuSevrebiT TiTqos saqarTvelos raRac nawils vatan da maTTan rCeba samudamod.
– Tqveni ocneba. . .
– vocnebob, rom saqarTveloSi Cemi Seqmnili erTi qandakeba mainc daidgas.
