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anzor kudbas – cnobil mweralsa da sazogado moRvawes, sapatio baTumels, mkiTxvelis winaSe gansakuTrebuli wardgena ar sWirdeba. misi Semoqmedeba da cxovreba, sazogadoebrivi Rvawli TvalsaCinoa da mudam mkiTxvelTa interess iwvevs. am interesis gamoxatulebaa es interviuc.
– Semodgoma bevri SemoqmedisTvis STagonebis wyaroa, TqvenTvis? fiqrebi da gancdebi, Semodgomaze rom giCndebaT. . .
– Semodgoma – oqrocurvili dro, romelsac zamTri mohyveba – wlis dasasruli da aRiZrebi Senc, rom wlis dasawyisSive Cafiqrebuli idea ganaxorcielo. fiqri aq weliwdeulis umaRles safexurze Semdgara da cad amaRlebas cdilobs, ukanac unda miixedo da erTi Tvalis gadavlebiT Seafaso Sen mier ganvlili gza da Tan gadaafaso. . .…Semodgoma xom daSvebuli Secdomebis gamosworebis xanaa, cdomilebis Zlevis dro. . . rom dros CamorCenilma fexs auCqaro, sulsac ki gauswro da wlevandeli Seni vali da valdebuleba dauyovnebliv aRasrulo. fiqri Semodgomiseli: yvelasa da yvelafrisgan gansxvavebuli. . . aRzevebuli buneba: kaci Tavis naamagars imkis, WirnaxuliT damZimebuli dReebi, beRlebi gadatvirTuli da galaRebuli kaci! gixaria, rom adamiani xar!
kacis fiqri am dros: ra gagikeTebia? ris gakeTeba moaswari?
asea moaqJamomamde, gamomafxizlebs mec, rogorc yvelas moaxloebuli dro, SeviZrebi, dros rom ar CamovrCe-meTqi da me rom megona, TiTqos yovlisSemZle viyavi, Turme sruliadac ar yofila ase: mec wamiforxilebia sadRac odesRac, dro damikargavs da avCqarebulvar, rom wamovweodi win gaWril dros. xom gaxsovT moaruli naTqvami – `dro ar icdiso~ da SurduliviT gavWrilvar win, wamovweodi dros da fexi amewyo misTvis da aRar amovvardniliyavi cxovrebiseuli ritmidan Turme, rogorc yvelas, verc me mivlia TanaaCqarebulad, muyaiT kacs rom Sehferis. SevZeli ki wlis dasawyisSi ganzraxuli gegmis ganxorcieleba? albaT, vera da amitomac vCqarob, radgan Semodgoma xom yvelaze swrafi droa droTa Soris?! gaixedav da zamTari mogvdgomia kars! miixed-moixedav da xelSi ar Cagdgomia mocemuli dro? imis naxevaric ver gagikeTebia, ris gakeTebac givaldebulebia.
– Tqveni dabadebis dRe axlovdeba, rogor fiqrobT, wels iqneba is TqvenTvis gamorCeuli?
– diax, 21 dekembers davbadebulvar, aTi dRe rCeba axali wlis dadgomamde da SiSi Semipyrobs erTgvari, vaiTu, ise ver ganvvle me es weliwadi, Cafiqrebuli rom mqonda?
Semodgomaa. . . foTolcvena – yvelaze lamazi sanaxaoba! da am dros mekiTxebiT, iqneba Tu ara wels igi gamorCeuli TqvenTviso. aba, miixed-moixedeT irgvliv. ras xedavT? sruli qaosi. . . swored Semodgomas, galaxul Semodgomas magonebs Cveni dRevandeli yofa.adamiani ibrZvis ukeTesi momavlisTvis, ibrZvis, rom miaRwios sawadels, magram vin aZlevs amis SesaZleblobas? da aseT dros, am yofaSi rogor iqneba es weliwadi gamorCeuli CemTvis. me xom am qveynis Svili var da mtkiva misi tkivili, maxarebs misi sixaruli da gamixardeba misi aRdgoma da cad amaRleba!
– axla, roca Tqvens cxovrebas, ganvlil gzas Tvals avlebT. . .
– imis dro namdvilad maqvs, rom Cem mier ganvlil gzas Sevavlo Tvali (mTeli weli xom amaze vfiqrob). oTxomcs kai xania gadavcdi, magram oTxmocs zeviT wlebs aRar viTvli.
ufalma didi dRe momca da bevris Seqmnac damavala Tu damakisra. rogor vasruleb mis davalebas? rogorc adamianebs gvCvevia, mec vflangavdi dros, rac igivea, kargavde mas.
vera! ver amovwure Tavi. . . axla rom viwyebde cxovrebas, vfiqrob, sxvanairad daviwyebdi, magram. . . albaT aseT dReSi aRmovCndebodi da. . . iwyeba drois srbola! aCqareba, aCqareba gvmarTebs adamianebs, radgan dakargul dros verafriT avinazRaurebT.
– Tqveni wignebidan gansakuTrebiT romels gamoarCevT mkiTxvelTan xelaxali SexvedrisTvis da ratom?
– romani `apokalifsiT~ Semovdgi fexi mwerlobaSi. maSinac areuli dro iyo, xalxs Tavisi RvTisnieri gza dahkargoda, mxedvelobidan amoSanToda da. . . momavals ver xedavda. iyo ZmaTa mkvleli omi, iyo sisxlisRvra (RmerTma gvaSoros dRes).
– modiT, axla Tqvens rCeul, gaxmaurebul romanze `fiqris savarZelze~ visaubroT, sulieri gadarCenis gzad amJamad ra gesaxebaT, roca TviTCaRrmavebuli da mofiqrali noes tipaJi am realobam daamcro?
– me gansakuTrebiT romanis saxelwodeba momwons – misi wakiTxvisTanave SegipyrobT fiqri sakuTar Tavze. diax,
`fiqris savarZeli~ romanis yvela gverdze gvxvdeba, ki ar devs, moZraobs TiTqos da igi mxolod erTi adamianisTvisaa gankuTvnili. masSi Cajdoma ara da Casveneba mxolod erT adamians egebis. romanis mTavari moqmedi piri (ara, gmiri araa igi) noe did ZmaTamkvlel omSi monawileobs. . . iqidan dabrunebuli sulierad mkvdaria, misTvis momavali aRar arsebobs, igi sulierad daavadebulia. ho, Caesveneba am Tavis zRaprul savarZelSi da fiqric maSinve qoriviT daacxreba Tavs. igi im omze fiqrobs, romelmac cxovreba gauukuRmarTa rogorc erT, ise meore mxares – afxazebsac da qarTvelebsac. . .
– Tqveni nawarmoebis gmirebi, metwilad, araordinaruli adamianebi arian, es metaforuli saxe-tipebi ras migvaniSneben?
– Tqven kargad SeniSneT: `Tqveni gmirebi, metwilad araordinaruli adamianebi arian~. axla rom vufiqrdebi, momavlis adamianebs vxatav, axal saxeebs vqmni da vcdilob, gamovixsna isini sulieri tyveobidan, rom gaeqan-gamoeqanon da Semowolili es uxiagi fiqrebi gaiziaron. da erTic kidev: Cemi gmirebi dRevandel adamianebze uguloni arian. dRevandeli tragediis mTavari rolis Semsruleblebi arian. kidev erTxel rwmundebian, rom Cvenze metad scodaven da amitomac TviTonve uwodeben TavianT Tavs droidan amovardnilebs! monaniebas maTTvis azric ar aqvs. mec mosesaviT ganvicdi, mec misebr mikvdeba guli, micarieldeba suli da kiTxva mebadeba erTaderTi: saiTken, saiTken gagiwevia, adamiano?!
da ra viRonoT am dros? vaSoroT momaval Taobas Cveneuli avi zraxvani, Cveni codva Cvenve vzidoT da imas nu gadavabarebT saTrevad, imas nu avkidebT codvis fuTasaviT. da mainc, miiRweva ki da rogor miiRweva ese yoveli? ra Tqma unda, miiRweva: Cven Cveni codvebi vzidoT, ar vcodoT da Cveni dangreuli qveyana Cvenve avaSenoT.
– ar SemiZlia, ar gkiTxoT im adamianebze, Tqvensa da ara mxolod Tqvens gulsa da gonebas naTeli rom mohfines. . . zviad gamsaxurdias, lado seidiSvils rogor moigonebdiT, axla rogor dagakvalianebdnen?
– jer – zviad gamsaxurdiaze: upirvelesad, igi cnobili mwerlis konstantine gamsaxurdias Svilia da meore: baton zviads Tavisi cxovreba hqonda, bavSvobidanve samSoblos siyvarulze, mis ganTavisuflebaze ocnebobda. mas am gzidan arasodes gadauxvevia, man aRasrula Tavisi vali: misi wyalobiTaa, rom saqarTvelo Tavis ufalia da dResac ibrZvis TavisuflebisTvis. rogor damakvalianebda? gaxsovdes, rom xeli movawereT saqarTvelos damoukideblobis aRdgenis aqts! mzad iyav mis dasacavad! lado seidiSvili? Cemi ufrosi sulieri megobari, naTeli suli. mxolod ase Tu movixsenieb mis saxels. ager, win midevs misi rCeuli: leqsebi, sonetebi, poemebi, piesa, eseebi – sibrZnis wigni! es wigni ar vici, rogor gaqra Cemi biblioTekidan. bolos mainc Sevbede, Tqveni wigni damekarga-meTqi. ewyina, Sevatyve, magram ar magrZnobina, ewyina da me ufro mewyina, ase rom vawyenine Cvens lados.
meore dRes momitana wigni aseTi warweriT: `anzor kudbas (Cveni sameulis erT-erT warmomadgenels), keTili survilebiT, avtorisagan (imedia, amas ar dakargav)~. . . im sameulSi vigulisxmebiT arCil totoCava – cnobili mTargmneli, stilisti da gamoCinebuli meqarTule, TviTon lado seidiSvili da me. . . lado – WeSmariti poeti da mgznebare mamuliSvili, didi adamiani, romelsac ukan rCeba `kvali ganaTlebuli~. batoni lados umaRlesi miRwevaa sonetebis gvirgvini `kentavrebis marula~. moazrovnec didia lado seidiSvili. yvelaze metad, rogorc moazrovnem, Tavis eseebSi gamoavlina Tavi. . . Cven geniosis gverdiT viyaviT da ar vicodiT.
axla ras metyoda? `arasodes Sewyvito sityvasTan brZola~.
da kidev: `amas nu dakargav!~ xom xedavT, rogor gavSinaurebulvar ladosTan? es wigni misiaa misi naazrevi, diadi suli!
– mkiTxvels ras sTavazobT? amJamad ras werT?
– sul vapirebdi uCveulo nawarmoebis daweras, romelic suls auforiaqebda mkiTxvels, saTauri windawin mqonda gaazrebuli: `roca iSleba napirni sulTa~. sul axlaxan davasrule es wigni – mcire romani, SeiZleba, ubralod, ambavi iyos. igi nabokovis `lolitas~ wakiTxvisTanave Cavifiqre. xom didi nawarmoebia – didi mwerlis didi romani, magram ratomRac ar momwons, TviTon `lolitas~ tipaJi ar momdis TvalSi. CemTvis miuRebelia is, Tu rogor moeqcnen TviTon lolitas. . .
Cemi azriT, araa adamianuri wigni! aq uneblieT, gamielvebs: `ara uwyian, rasa iqmnen~.
da kidev: es bolo ramdenime welia, rac vwer Cemi sulis istorias. . . da imedia, verasodes davasruleb. suli xom maradiulia, ukvdavi? ukvdaveba ki – adamianis fiqris ukanaskneli sagani.
am Cemi e.w. dRiuris paralelurad vwerdi erTi gvaris istorias, `JamTaRmwerelia~ misi saxelwodeba. wigni ori wignisgan Sedgeba: 1. `erTferovani mravalferovneba~ da 2. `mravalferovani erTferovneba~. es wigni Cemi cxovrebis gamarTlebaa, an imedgacrueba. arsi am wignis: minda xarki gadavuxado im Cvens, ukve Cavlil, meoce saukunes (dasakargad mainc ver gamimetebia) da swored amitomac: minda gavdo drois xidi warsul saukunesa da axal, ocdameerTe saukunes Soris, romelic arasodes unda Cagitydes. am xidze Semdgars SeeZleba ukan miixedos, waikiTxos im dros daSvebuli Secdomebi da cdomilebebi da samomavlod gaiTvaliswinos: wina saukuneSi daSvebuli Secdomebi ar ganumeordes.
ise ki, Zalian vcdilob, fexi avuwyo axal saukunes, misi ritmidan ar amovvarde da meoredac ar momikvdes suli.
– cifruli xana. . . teqnikis saswauli, xelovnuri inteleqti gamovida asparezze, am konteqstSi, mwerlobis momavals rogor uyurebT?
– teqnikis saswauli. . . magram sadac teqnikaa, iq sulma rogorRa gaZlos? amas rom vambob, ratom ar gamecineba Cems Tavze: samyaros e.w. winsvlisa veraferi gagigia, ganze gadeqi: dros ver SeaCereb Sen! da am dros wignis furclebis Sriali momafxizlebs, bolo gverdze vkiTxulob: me epoqebi gamoviare da yovelTvis vaxldebi! ganvaxldebi amjeradac. SeuZlebelia Cemi dasasruli. . . mec xom samyarosaviT var usasrulobaSi gajerebuli! adamiani qmnis am saswauls da wignsac xom adamiani wers, axal samyaros qmnis, Cveni samyaros paralelur samyaros.
– mwerlobis misia da daniSnuleba. . . dRevandelobaze ras fiqrobT?
– `RmerTma misTvis gamomgzavna, rom warvuZRve wina
ersa!!~ mwerlis movaleobaa, eris, adamianis suli waikiTxos, dainaxos misi WeSmariti yofa: ra uWirs da ra gauWirdeba momavalSi. dauamos daTrgunuli suli, sulieri sazrdo miawodos da Seumsubuqos cxovreba. isev vimeoreb: wigni Seucvlelia! teqnika TavisTvis – teqnikasac veraferi Secvlis. teqnikac xom adamianis tvinis gamonaJuria? magram saiTken, saiTken mivdivarT? es gza taZramde migviyvans? dRevandelobaze ras vfiqrob? roca qveyana ase areulia. . . saqarTveloSi qaosi sufevs, rogorc ityvian, ZaRli patrons veRar cnobs. . . swored am dros unda aRimaRlos xma mweralma, mwerlobam, ganawyenebuli da gabrazebuli xalxis gulSi Caixedos da simarTlisa da Tavisuflebis gzaze Seayenos. win miuZRodes da mis droSaze unda kiafobdes: `xma RvTisa da xma erisa~. virwmunoT Cvenc RvTiuri xma, romelic gveubneba: `ara kac hkla!~
– Taoba, romelic modis. . . rogor xedavT maT da rogor daakvalianebdiT?
– yvela Taobas (ase yofila) Tavisi daniSnuleba aqvs: upirvelesad wina Taobis mier daSvebuli Secdomebi gamoasworos, Tan Tavisi sityvac Tqvas. amave dros momavali Taoba Cven mier daSvebul Secdomebze swavlobs, Tan am dros SesaZloa, TviTonac cdebodes, rac misi momavali Taobis gamosasworebeli rCeba. amitom: ar unda vcodoT, gvaxsovdes, Cven win Cveni momavali Taobaa, Cveni Svilebisa da SviliSvilebis Taobaa da pativiT unda movekidoT maT, sicocxle ar gavumwaroT!
– Tqven, Cveni gazeTis rCeul avtorsa da megobars, uZveles mkiTxvels saTqmelic geqnebaT CvenTvis. . .
– me Tqveni didi xnis gulwrfeli megobari da mkiTxveli var! erTad movabijeT cxovrebis gza, gadavlaxeT zRvari da ocdameerTe saukuneSi SevabijeT, cifrul xanaSi amovyaviT Tavi. ukan saukune dagvrCa Tavisi problemebiT, fiqriTa da ocnebiT savse, ukan mogvZaxis da gvibiZgebs win, aRar davrCeT masSi, gavTavisufldeT da momavals SeverkinoT.
– axla erTi sasurveli da aucilebeli SekiTxva Tavad dausviT sakuTar Tavs. . .
– aseTi kiTxva mravalia, erTi maT Soris ki marTlac gamorCeuli da sasurvelia CemTvis: grCeba ki ukan `kvali ganaTlebuli?!~
– sityva, fraza, romelic gsurT gasZaxoT samyaros. . .
– gemaxsovrebaT moaruli naTqvami: `wamo, sdeq!~ ase xom gaiyine wamo?! daiZar adgilidan, imoZrave, rameTu moZraobaSia sicocxle!
