გია ხუხაშვილი: აქ ოპოზიცია კი არა, ხალხი დაუპირისპირდა ხელისუფლებას და სპონტანურად, სტიქიურად გადმოედინა ქუჩაში
irma cecxlaZe –
rusTavelze ganviTarebuli tragikuli movlenebis normalurad aRqma warmoudgenelia nebismieri saRad moazrovne adamianisTvis. Ppozicia-opozicia erTmaneTs adanaSaulebs im fizikur dapirispirebebSi, rac am bolo dReebis ganmavlobaSi xdeba. gTavazobT am Temaze intervius eqspert gia xuxaSvilTan, romelic Tvlis, rom qarTveli xalxi ar daTmobs da Tavad daicavs sakuTar momavals, romelic mxolod da mxolod evrokavSirSi SesvliT iqneba daculi.
– batono gia, rogor daaxasiaTebT saqarTveloSi mimdinare movlenebs?
– samwuxarod, saokupacio xazma Sida qarTlidan gadmoinacvla TbilisSi, rusTavelze. anu iq ki ar dgas armia, saidanac moZaladeebi saqarTvelos moqalaqeebs itacebdnen da Semdeg gviwevda maTi gamoxsna, aramed aq, qveynis centrSi, sadac ruseTi SemouSves da misi kolaboracionistebis xeliT, Cvens moqalaqeebs itacebs da mZevlebad ahyavs. es aris erTaderTi Sefaseba, rac SeiZleba gavakeTo am viTarebaSi. vinc aq dgas, sxvagvarad ver ityvis, radgan Cven Tvalwin iSleba Zaladobis gorgali, rac am xnis ganmavlobaSi SedarebiT mokrZalebul xasiaTs atarebda. es yvelaferi mohyva premieris saxelmwifo gadatrialebis tolfas gancxadebas 2028 wlamde evrokavSirTan molaparakebebis SeCerebis Taobaze.
– Tu SeiZleba, ufro daakonkretoT fraza – `saxelmwifo gadatrialebis tolfasi~?
– konstituciaSi pirdapir weria, rom evrokavSirSi gasawevrianeblad xelisuflebam yvelaferi unda akeTos uwyvetad. Tuki xelisufleba gava konstituciis wesrigis farglebidan, es niSnavs, rom pirdapir awyobs saxelmwifo gadatrialebas. cxadia, amas aravin apatiebs da xalxi Seecdeba, aRadginos konstituciuri wesrigi. es aris pirdapiri demokratiis aqti, rodesac Sen garTmeven im mandats, romlis gamoc airCie an ar airCie esa Tu is politikuri Zala. am dros xalxs ara mxolod ufleba aqvs, valdebuleba gaaCnia, rom aRadginos konstituciuri wesrigi, kanoniereba qveyanaSi. axla swored es procesebi mimdinareobs. xalxi arTmevs micemul mandats uzurpators, cdilobs, CamoaSoros qveynis mmarTvelobis sadaveebs im SemTxvevaSi, Tu ar dabrundeba konstituciis CarCoebSi.
– arCevnebis Semdeg ase Tu ise damSvidebuli xalxi quCaSi ratom unda gamoeyvana Tavad premiers?
– aravin ar iyo damSvidebuli, protesti arsad wasula, protesti iyo, ubralod, gadainacvla samzareuloSi, anu konsolidirebuli protesti ar iyo, Cven ver vxedavdiT, Tumca kuluarebSi arsebobda, izrdeboda da Zlierdeboda.
– Tu iyo, ratom ar gamodiodnen saprotesto aqciebze?
– imitom, rom lideri ar Canda, romelic am protestis konsolidacias da mis kapitalizacias SeZlebda. axla ki bolo zRvarze gavidnen, wiTeli xazi gadakveTes da xalxma iniciativa sakuTar xelSi aiRo, yovelgvari lideris gareSe. mixvda saqarTvelo, rom sakuTar Tavs Tavad unda uSvelos da yovelgvari politikuri kuTvnileba daiviwya. aq opozicia ki ara, xalxi daupirispirda xelisuflebas da spontanurad, stiqiurad gadmoedina quCaSi. Tu daakvirdebiT, konkretuli liderebi am moZraobas ar hyavs. aq ukve aRar aris saubari, mTavrobaSi vin iqneba Tu ar iqneba, arCevnebi gayalbda Tu ar gayalbda, aq saubaria imaze, rom qveyanas, Cvens Svilebs da SviliSvilebs arTmeven grZelvadian momavals, aqedan gamomdinare, es reaqcia bunebrivia.
– aqamde `qarTuli ocneba~ msgavs dapirispirebebs erideboda. iqneb hqonda kobaxiZes msagavsi gancxadebis seriozuli safuZveli?
– me meCveneba, rom `isini~ veRar akontroleben situacias da direqtivebi pirdapir moskovidan modis. putins aqvs sakuTari dRis wesrigi da `qarTuli ocnebis~ problemebi ukve naklebad aRelvebs. ruseTi Cqarobs, okupaciis procesi rac SeiZleba swrafad daasrulos, raTa molaparakebebis globalur arenaze, ukeTesi pirobebi miiRos. Cveni qveynis da xelisuflebis Tavis tkivili vis ainteresebs. . .
– Tqvenc ambobT, rom moskovi ultimatums uyenebs `ocnebas~. xelisufalTa gancxadebiTac, am nabijebiT, cdiloben ruseTTan SeiaraRebuli konfliqtis aacilos saqarTvelos. Tuki marTla omi daiwyeba, rogor fiqrobT, ra momavali gvelodeba?
– tyuilia es yvelaferi, xelisuflebis propagandaa, am etapze ruseTs ar gaaCnia omis warmoebis aranairi resursi. gaixseneT winasaarCevno lozungebi, maT xom saarCevno kampania pozitiur dapirebebze ar augiaT, mxolod xalxs aSinebdnen – me Tu ar viqnebi, omi daiwyebao… meti xom araferi hqondaT. es iyo SiSze dafuZnebuli xelovnuri argumenti, romelmac sakmaod kargad imuSava. vinc daijera, is SeaSines…
– movlenebis ganviTarebis prognozirebas SeZlebT?
– ara, aseTi viTarebis prognozireba ubralod SeuZlebelia. me imis imedi maqvs, rom xalxi ar gaCerdeba, sistema daiwyebs rRvevas, ris simptomebic ukve gamoCnda, marTalia, sistemuri xasiaTi jer ar miuRia, magram pirveli niSnebi saxezea. ukve daafiqsires sakuTari pozicia profesor-maswavleblebma, iusticiis, Tavdacvis, sagareo saqmeTa saministroebis, meriis TanamSromlebma, diplomatebma da sxv. es procesi, rogorc gamocdili gvaqvs, Tu daiwyo, aRar SeCerdeba, wre gafarTovdeba. aqve gaiTvaliswineT, rom Zalian didi mniSvneloba aqvs dasavleTis pozicias, faqtia, rom unda miiRos saboloo gadawyvetileba, es xelisufleba marto Zalaze reagirebs. misTvis moralis kiTxvas da logikurad saubars azri ar aqvs. vfiqrob, droa, viRacebs etkinoT. . .
– Zalis gamoCenaSi da tkivilis miyenebaSi ras gulisxmobT?
– sanqciebis dawesebas, radgan dasavleTi oms da Tavdasxmebs ar daiwyebs. konkretuli sanqciebi ki yvelas daanaxebs, ratom aris aucilebeli evrokavSiris mfarveloba da masTan erTad kacobriobisTvis ukeTesi momavlis Seneba. am procesis niadagze Sida protestic gaZlierdeba. aqve, isic unda gamoCndes, rom evropa mxars uWers qarTvel xalxs, surs misi demokratiul relsebze dayeneba da es yvelaferi keTdeba mxolod da mxolod Cvens sakeTildReod.
– davuSvaT, gadadga `qarTuli ocneba~. Tqven ambobT, rom lideri ar Cans, warsuli uzurpatorebi aravis unda, vin dadgeba qveynis mmarTvelobis sadaveebTan?
– samwuxarod, lideri, romelsac vendobiT da xalxi konsolidirebulad mxars dauWers, ar aris, magram isic faqtia, rom is gza, riTac xelisuflebas mivyavarT – saqarTvelos daRupavs. mTavaria, katastrofamde ar mivideT da SevaCeroT procesebi, romelic elvis siswrafiT gvabrunebs CrdiloeTSi. . . amitom jgufze, multipartiuli mmarTvelobis sistemaze unda visaubroT. winasaarCevnod swored amis imedi gvqonda.
– am sistemis mware gamocdilebac gvaqvs, romelic sabolood mainc diqtatoruli mmarTvelobis reJimiT Canacvlda, radgan rogorc ki qveynis mmarTvelobis sadaveebTan moxvdnen, partiebis liderebma ver gamoZebnes saerTo ena, Zalauflebas yvela saTavisod eqaCeboda. . .
– ki, ase iyo, magram ra aris, iciT, es kultura unda SeviZinoT, radgan mimdinare procesebs da Zalauflebis uzurpacias mainc jobia. erTpirovnuli mmarTvelobis mxolod negatiuri gamocdileba gvaqvs Cven. saboloo jamSi, yvela xelisufali xdeboda uzurpatori, miSac ase iyo da misi winamorbedebic. multipartiuli mmarTveloba demokratiis Sidapolitikur balansebs mainc aCens.
– ki, Tu mousmines erTmaneTs. . .
– rac Seexeba erTmaneTis mosmenas, Tu surT qveynis marTva, iswavlon mosmena da sxvisi azris gaTvaliswineba.
– ras ityviT prezidentobis axal kandidatze?
– saqarTveloSi pirovnebis kulti damyarda, es xom ar aris mxolod erTpartiuli sistema. Sesabamisad, religiuri aRqmaa am yvelafris. imis gaTvaliswinebiT, rom pirovnebis kultia, misi survili aris kanoni. mas SeuZlia nebismieri mo-sazrebiT, rac SeiZleba yvelasTvis gaugebari iyos, raRac nabijebi gadadgas. rac Seexeba yavelaSvils, masze seriozulad ver visaubreb.
– rogor fiqrobT, opoziciis mxridan, maTi deputatebis mandatebis Caxsnis procesi rodis daiwyeba, aqamde Tavs ratom ikavebdnen?
– imisaTvis, rom es procesi, anu xelisuflebis delegitima-ciis moTxovna warmatebiT dasrulebuliyo, aucileblad gvWirdeboda dasavleTis mxridan Sesabamisi daskvnebis gamotana. manamde amas azri ar hqonda. imasac iTvaliswinebdnen, dasavleTs ar moeca axali arCevnebis Catarebis rekomendacia da mxolod kritikulad Seexeda xelisuflebisTvis anu iribad mainc eRiarebina arCevnebi da `ocnebasTan~ eTanamSromla. am SemTxvevaSi, protestis grZnoba darCeboda, magram opozicionerebi mTavari partnioris gareSe darCebodnen. mandatebis CaxsniT ra praqtikul Sedegs miiRebdnen? – verafers.
axla, dasavleTma miiRo gadawyvetileba da ganacxada – es ar¬Cevnebi ar SeiZleba CaiTvalos arCevnebad, rom darRvevebi iseT xasiaTs atarebda, ramac Sedegebi arsebiTad Secvala. Tu dasavleli partniorebi am saboloo Sefasebis Semdeg im meqanizmebs CarTaven, rac daanonsebuli aqvT, vfiqrob, es aris yvelaze adekvaturi momenti, rom opoziciis deputatebis mandatebis Caxsna moxdes. amasTan, moxdes arsebuli xelisuflebis sruli saSinao da sagareo delegitimacia.
– SeerTebulma Statebmac gawyvita saqarTvelosTan strategiuli TanamSromloba. . .
– es mosalodnelic iyo, radgan SeerTebuli Statebis gareSe evrokavSiri moqmedebas ar daiwyebda. isini sinqronulad moqmedeben. amden xans, SeerTebul StatebSi garkveuli pauza iyo iqidan gamomdinare, rom misi xelisufleba gardamaval etapzea. vicodiT, rom ama Tu im qveyanasTan mimarTebiT, strategiuli gadawyvetilebebisTvis maincdamainc ar ecala, Tumca, rogorc vxedavT, moicala da mainc daafiqsira sakuTari pozicia Cveni xelisuflebis mimarT. vnaxoT, ra moxdeba. paralelurad, vfiqrob, rom protesti ar unda ganeldes. Tu dRes xelisuflebas vinme legitimacias miscems, es iqneba politikuri suicidis tolfasi.

