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zaira miqataZe Tsu-is Jurnalistikis fakultetis damTavrebis Semdeg sxvadasxva centralur presaSi muSaobda, maT Soris, sakmaod did xans `rezonansSi~, aseve, satelevizio arx `obieqtivze~ mihyavda `veteranis saaTi~, azerbaijanul skolaSi aswavlida qarTul enasa da literaturas. profesiis dauflebis sawyis etapze, gazeT `Tbilisis~ mivlinebiT wavida afxazeTis omSi, mimagrebuli iyo erT-erT batalions da Semdgom miiRo am omis monawilis statusi. Ggarda amisa, xuTdRiani mivlinebiT imyofeboda avRaneTSi, ramac udidesi kvali datova mis cxovrebaze. ruseT-ukrainis omis dawyebidan maleve gaemgzavra ukrainaSic da reportaJebs gadmoscemda cxeli wertilebidan. Aaqvs samxedro Jurnalistis kvalifikacia, rac miiRo saTanado sertificirebuli swavlebebis gavlis Sedegad. dRemde samxedro cxovrebiT cxovrobs da muSaobs veteranebis saqmeTa saxelmwifo samsaxurSi.
– zaira, Tqveni biografia marTlac STambeWdavia. rogorc gamocdili samxedro reportiori, rogor SeafasebT saqarTveloSi mimdinare saprotesto aqciebs?
– es aris wminda wylis antisaxelmwifoebrivi procesebi. opoziciurad ganwyobili mxare xSirad madanaSaulebs xelisuflebis mxardaWeraSi, magram minda xmamaRla ganvacxado, rom mTavrobas ki ara, qveynis saxelmwifoebriobas vuWer mxars, anu ar minda CamoiSalos Cveni saxelmwifo.
– opoziciac igives amtkicebs. . .
– ara, rasac momitingeebi iTxoven, im gare Zalebis nakarnaxevia, visac xels aZlevs saqarTveloSi areuloba da surs, gaxsnas CvenTan meore fronti. amas vacxadeb xmamaRla da veraviTari Zala sapirispiroSi ver damarwmunebs, radgan ukrainaSi omis dawyebis pirveli dRidanve surdaT saqarTveloSi omis wamowyeba. gaxsovT, rogor cdilobdnen amas. . . es sakiTxi arc axlaa moxsnili dRis wesrigidan. imedi maqvs, aSS-is arCeuli prezidentis donald trampis inauguraciis Semdeg Sewydeba omebi da TavisTavad daasruleben Cvens `laCrobaze~ saubars, am etapze ki im mocemulobaSi varT, rasac Tavadac xedavT – Cveni axalgazrdebi daabrmaves fsevdopatriotuli lozungebiT da isinic Tavdauzogavad CaerTnen im brZolaSi, romelic mxolod da mxolod daRupvas uqadis Cvens qveyanas. sxvanair axsnas ver vuZebni, es procesebi im Zalebis mieraa marTuli, romlebsac surT saqarTvelos omSi CaTreva. Ees rusuli Zalebia, inglisuri Tu franguli, ar vici. SesaZloa yvela erTad iyos. amis gancxadebis safuZvels maZlevs afxazeTis omis analizi, romlis wamowyebasac mxolod ruseTs vukavSirebdiT, magram rogorc Semdeg gairkva, iq evropeli da amerikeli instruqtorebic moqmedebdnen. . . anu, kidev erTxel vityvi, rom mTavroba arafer SuaSia, mas uWiravs CvenTvis erTaderTi gamarTlebuli sagareo politikis kursi. nebismieri gadaxra am gzaze Cvens damoukideblobas uqmnis realur safrTxes. me mxolod da mxolod amis gamo vdgavar dRes maT gverdiT da, am etapze, ar varkvev, vin sad da ramdeni iSova, ramdeni saxli Tu agaraki aiSena da sxv. amJamad mxolod da mxolod Cveni saxelmwifoebrivi gadarCenis problema mawuxebs da darwmunebuli var sakuTar simarTleSi.
– rogorc sami omis monawile da samxedro Jurnalisti, cxadia, mxolod filmebiT da dokumenturi kadrebiT ar SemoifarglebiT omis Sesaxeb saubrisas. bevri Cveni Tanamemamule acxadebs, rom `laCrebi ar varT da Tu ruseTi dagvemuqreba, iaraRiT xelSi unda gavceT pasuxi~. modiT, mokled vTqvaT, ra asociaciebs iwvevs TqvenSi msgavsi gancxadebebi da ra aris omi realobaSi?
– Tqven marTali xarT, ase amboben da marTla ar ician, ra aris omi, omi omobana hgoniaT, piroteqnikas rom esvrian rusTavelze mwkrivSi ganlagebul patruls . . . omi aris uamravi Seni axloblis sikvdili, CaSavebuli ojaxebi, ZmaTa sasaflaoebi. . . tkivili, sibinZure, autaneli suni, Tavis gadarCenis instinqtiT Cadenili uamravi mkvleloba da dausrulebeli tkivili, SimSili, sicive, uZiloba, gadaRliloba, megobrebisTvis xeldaxel gaTxrili samarxebi gaqvavebul miwaSi. . . sisxli, talaxi da rogorc sakuTari, ise gverdiT myofi adamianebis sicocxlis dakargvis SiSi. . . Sen Tvalwin iSleba adamianis urTulesi buneba martiv mamravlebad, winaswar veravin ityvis, vin iqneba gmiri da vin – dezertiri an moRalate, omi yvela instinqts mourideblad aSiSvlebs da rCebi mxolod sakuTari Tavis amara. yvelafer amas sityvebiT ver aRwer, es ar unda gamoscados 21-e saukunis azizad aRzrdilma adamianma, ar unda gamoscadon im axalgazrdebma, dRes omaxianad rom aJRereben ucxo qveynebis samsaxurebis mier SemuSavebul uazro lozungebs. isic minda giTxraT, rom Tuki omSi Sexvedi, veRar gamoxval, mTeli cxovreba ixseneb daRupul megobrebs, gadixar maT saflavebze da yoveli gasvla xelaxla aRviZebs tkivils da iarebs. . . omidan dabrunebul biWebs posttravmebi aReniSnebaT da maTi umravlesoba ver axerxebs sazogadoebaSi integracias, umetesobas fsiqika samudamod rCeba dangreuli. . . es ar aris litoni sityvebi, 32 weli gavida, Tu meti, da dResac gavdivarT afxazeTSi daRupuli TanamebrZolebis saflavebze, maTi erTaderTi Wirisuflebi varT, radgan maTi ded-mama cocxlebi aRar arian. . .
– saqarTvelo ar aris mzad saomari moqmedebebis warmoebisTvis?
– Cven aranairad ar varT mzad omisTvis, arc fizikurad, arc moralurad Tu fsiqologiurad. oms saqarTvelo ver gauZlebs. aqedanve cxadia, rom iqidan damarcxebulebi, ganadgurebulebi gamovalT. saTiTaod atomi rom gveWiros xelSi, mainc ver gavumklavdebiT amxela Zalas. xom xedavT, mTeli msoflio ebrZvis ruseTs da verafers gaxda. Tavidan rom gvegona, imarjvebda ukraina, axla kapitulaciis umZimes pirobebzec Tanaxmaa.
– gviambeT, ra xdeboda ukrainaSi, rodesac Tqven iq iyaviT?
– rac iq vnaxe, ar damiweria, moveride ukrainuli da msoflio sazogadoebis demoralizacias. Cven xom ukrainis oms rogorc sakuTars, ise ganvicdidiT da ganvicdiT. . . magram iqidan Camovedi ganadgurebuli. tyuili aRmoCnda miTi daJangul, gaubedurebul tankebsa da uxeiro, umaqnis jariskacebze. rogor, am `uvargisma jarma~ SeZlo zelenskis kapitulaciamde miyvana?!
– jer xom msgavsi araferi gamocxadebula?
– kapitulaciaa, aba, ra aris, rodesac zelenski acxadebs, ruseTs droebiT davuTmobT okupirebul teritoriebs, oRond, darCenili teritoriebiT migviRon natoSio. . . trampic mouwodebs ruseTs omis Sewyvetisken, Tan iTxovs im mocemulobiT Sewyvetas, rogori mocemulobac am etapzea, xolo ra etapzea, yvelam viciT – ruseTma sami imdeni teritoria daimata garda imisa, rac hqonda ukve mitacebuli. . . Cven ras vizamT? modi da, ebrZole amxela Zalas. . . maSin patara gogo viyavi da mjeroda, rom gulanTebulebi, mamacebi saswaulebs CavidendiT da ruseTs movereodiT. Tu gaxsovT, tamiSSi rusebma gadmosxes desanti da me aRmovCndi maT winaaRmdeg brZolaSi, romelic Cveni gamarjvebiT dasrulda. Semdeg TbilisSi, maSindeli erovnuli moZraobis lider gia Wanturias mitings daveswari. erTaderTi SekiTxva davusvi: axla ki movigerieT rusuli desanti, magram Semdeg ufro met jariskacs gadmoisvrian da romeli ZalebiT SevebrZolebiT-meTqi. . . maxsovs, Zalian cudad, uxeSad mipasuxa, ruseTs aucileblad davamarcxebTo. axlac mikvirs, gia ar iyo dabali rangis politikosi, risi imedi hqonda, ver mivxvdi. . . mokled, amis Semdeg ruseTma marTlac gamogzavna jari da or kviraSi dagvisrules omi ganaxlebuli brZolebiT, rasac win uZRoda ruseTis monawileobiT mxareebs Soris molaparakebebi. 27 ivliss soWis xelSekrulebas moewera xeli, romelic afxazurma mxarem calmxrivad daarRvia. 1993 wlis 1-20 agvisto: qarTulma mxarem mTlianad Seasrula SeTanxmeba – mdinare gumisTis monakveTze datova mxolod ori sameTvalyureo punqti, daiwyo batalionebis daSla, foTis mimarTulebiT gaiyvana mZime teqnika. 1993 wlis 16 seqtembers ruseTis mier mxardaWerilma separatistebma daarRvies soWis SeTanxmeba da ruseTis samxedro nawilebis daxmarebiT daiwyes masobrivi Sturmi praqtikulad ganiaraRebul soxumze. ieriSi, ZiriTadad, xorcieldeboda soxumis mSvidobian mosaxleobaze. 1993 wlis 27 seqtembers ruseTis SeiaraRebuli Zalebis, CrdiloeT kavkasiis konfederantebisa da daqiravebuli `boevikebis~ meSveobiT, afxazma separatistebma aiRes soxumi. Cven SevasruleT piroba, afxazebma – ara, maT ruseTi daexmara da morCa. . . isini mainc gaimarjvebdnen, araferi gviSvelida, radgan Cvens jars rogorc teqnikurad, ise moralurad da fsiqologiurad aranairi resursi aRar gaaCnda, 4 aTasi biWi daiRupa, danarCeni xeibari darCa, viRas unda ebrZola? axlac asea, vinRa SegvrCa, gvyavs cocxali Zala erT bewo saqarTvelos?
– radgan afxazeTis Temas SevexeT, isic vTqvaT, ra mdgomareobaa axla soxumSi? rogor fiqrobT, ratom moaqcia ruseTma CixSi soxumi?
– esec msoflios gadanawilebis sqemis erT-erTi rgoli mgonia, Tavis droze ruseTma cno samaCablos da afxazeTis damoukidebloba, magram ar miierTa. albaT, imTaviTve daitova es ori regioni savaWrod. . . iqneb dagvibrunos, magram ris fasad?! . aravin icis, rogor Seicvleba msoflio politikuri ruka uaxloes wlebSi. aqtorebi jer ar amJRavneben Canafiqrs. aq aqciebze gamosuli axalgazrdebis Tu opoziciis lozungebi da Sexla-Semoxla arafers wyvets, Cveni momavali sul sxva ganzomilebaSi analizdeba, sadac mxolod msxvili moTamaSeebi daiSvebian da sadac CvenisTana patara qveynebis beds desertebad ufro ganixilaven. . . mxolod abreSumis gzis amoqmedeba da xelsayreli geografiul-politikuri mdebareoba gvaqvs kart-blanSad, amitomacaa aucilebeli sakuTar moedanze darCena da sakuTari TamaSis wesebis SeTavazeba maTTvis, vinc interess gamoiCens Cveni misamarTiT. dRes unda gaverTiandeT, rogorc arasodes da saqarTvelos bedis ucxo qveynebis mier damaxinjebul prizmaSi gatarebis ufleba aravis mivceT.
– trampis gaprezidentebas opoziciac da poziciac erTnairi imedebiT xvdeba. . .
– ara, ra imedi, opozicias ise hyavs trampi naginebi, rom mikvirs, Aaxla rogor axseneben mis gvars. saakaSvili mas putinists eZaxda da ivaniSvilma moisyidao, ambobda. es yvelaferi arqivSia. Cven gvindoda trampis gamarjveba imitom, rom konservatoria da pativs scems ojaxur faseulobebs. . . Tan omis dasrulebas apirebs, rac Cveni saSveli iqneba. aRar mogvTxoven meore frontis gaxsnas, zewolac moixsneba da es xalxic damSviddeba, saerTaSoriso izolacias gadavrCebiT, magram 20 ianvramde unda moviTminoT. am dros xom unda gadagoreba. . . raRacnairad unda gadavrCeT. . .
– mitingebis darbevaze ras ityviT?
– Tu vinmes xels ar aZlevs areuloba, es aris mTavroba. rom undodes, sakuTar momxreebs mouwodebda da gadaiWedeboda saqarTvelos yvela qalaqi, arsad gamgzavreba ar mogviwevda, ubralod iq davdgebodiT, sadac vcxovrobT da davanaxebdiT msoflios, ra arCevani gakeTda 26 oqtombers. . . Cven nervebs vTokavT, Tavs vikavebT, radgan xelisufleba mogviwodebs simSvidisken da gonivruli molodinisken, ar awyobs samoqalaqo dapirispireba. ra hgoniaT, rusTavelze gasuli ramdenime aTasi kacia saqarTvelo? ar aris tyuili, msxverpls rom iTxoven, es cema-tyepa kamerebis win maTi meSveobiT xdeba. ra hgoniaT, 9 aprili kvlav iqneba?! maSin xalxi ideisTvis ibrZoda da ara piradi miznebisTvis. xdeba Zalis gadametebac, rac arafriT unda dauSvan. meore mxriv – rodesac parlamentze SturmiT midixar, SegiSveben? kapitoliumze rom miitanes ieriSi, cecxli gauxsna policiam momitingebs, msxverpli iyo. . . aq ki 48 oTaxi gamoSignes da daamtvries, Zalas gamoiyenebda patruli, aba, ras izamda. . . parlamentSi SeWris uflebas opozicias vin miscemda? magram mainc meti sifrTxile gvmarTebs orive mxares, radgan Zalian patara qveynis Svilebi varT. . . mTavaria, ar CavikargoT siZulvilSi, ukadriss nu vakadrebT erTmaneTs, tyviaze uaresia cudi sityva. . . saqarTvelos gadarCenis gzebi iqneb sxvadasxvanairad warmogvidgenia, magram amis gamo siZulvils nu davTesavT, uaxloes megobrebs nu davkargavT, ojaxebs nu davSliT. Tu erTmaneTis siyvaruls da pativiscemas davkargavT, ginda evropaSi vyofilvarT da ginda ar vyofilvarT saerTod. movusminoT, pativi vceT erTmaneTis azrs da iqneb erTad SevunarCunoT saqarTvelo Cvens momaval Taobebs.

