თუ პოლიტიკური სიტუაცია არ დასტაბილურდა. . .
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saqarTvelos politikur arenaze siaxlea. saarCevno kolegiam qveynis meeqvse prezidentad mixeil yavelaSvili airCia, romlis kanonierebas opozicia ar aRiarebs. amasTan, oqtombris saparlamento arCevnebsa da mis legitimaciasTan dakavSirebuli saprotesto aqciebi kvlav mimdinareobs. sazogadoebaSi grZeldeba urTierTdapirispireba da polarizeba. procesebis rogori ganviTarebaa mosalodneli? am da sxva sakiTxebze vesaubreT `koalicia cvlilebisTvis~ aWaris organizaciis erT-erT lider levan gorgilaZes.
– saubari uaxlesi ambiT daviwyoT: mmarTveli partiis kandidatura xmosnebma prezidentad airCies, yofili prezidenti salome zurabiSvili, aseve, opozicia, arsebul xelisuflebas ar aRiareben. Tqveni azri amis Sesaxeb?
– airCies? es cota gadaWarbebulad naTqvamia. samwuxarod, vemsgavsebiT ruseTs, belaruss, sadac demokratia ar arsebobs. Tu es statuskvo SeinarCuna am xelisuflebam, Cven namdvilad davemsgavsebiT xsenebul diqtatorul qveynebs. ra simboluria, prezidenti airCies im adamianebma, romlebmac saRamos saaxalwlo naZvis xis ganaTebac ki ver gabedes. Cven xelisufleba ar gvyavs, amitomac veZaxiT mas e w. xelisuflebas.
– eqspertebi acxadeben, rom Tu ar moxdeba arCevnebis legimitacia dasavleTis mier, qveyana izolaciaSi moeqceva. ras fiqrobT?
– diax, izolaciaSi eqceva xelisufleba da es logikuria. is, rom legitimacia dasavleTis mxridan mmarTvel gunds am arCevnebTan dakavSirebiT ar eqneba, cxadia. am SemTxvevaSi, izolacia niSnavs imas, rom `qarTuli ocneba~ iqneba yvelaferze pasuxismgebeli. swored am izolaciis, am ukusvlis pirobebSi mouwevT maT ukan daxeva. ra viTareba gvaqvs dRes qveyanaSi? 23 qalaqSia protesti gaCaRebuli, Tumca mTlianobaSi, mainc dedaqalaqSi wydeba mTavari saqme. qveynis bedi da arsebuli mTavrobis araRiareba dasavleTis mxridan, ra Tqma unda, SenarCundeba. dasavlel partniorebs kargad avuxseniT, Tu rogor Catarda arCevnebi saqarTveloSi, ra mdgomareoba iyo qveyanaSi arCevnebis dRes. amitom es yvelaferi mogvcems imas, rom araRiareba SenarCundeba, protesti gagrZeldeba da mmarTvel gunds mouwevs ukan daxeva.
– sxvaTa Soris, mmarTveli gundis wevrebi acxadeben, rom aSS-is axal administraciasTan dalagdeba urTierToba. . .
– es kidev calke paradoqsia. trampis arCevnebSi gamarjvebis Semdeg aRfrTovanebuli mmarTveli gundis wevrebi rom vixileT, me piradad mxolod da mxolod Rimili momgvara aman. jer erTi, aSS aris demokratiuli qveyana, iq ician demokratiis fasi. vinc ar unda iyos amerikis prezidenti, is demokratiuli faseulobebis upirvelesi damcveli da gamtarebelia da meore: simarTle aris erTaderTi – `ocnebam~ saqarTveloSi demokratia mokla, qarTvel xalxs arCevnebis ufleba waarTva, amitom verc trampi da verc baideni aRiarebs am arCevnebs. guSindelma gancxadebamac daadastura es – jo uilsonma, romelic tramps warmoadgens kongresSi, ganacxada, rom saqarTveloSi legitimur prezidentad salome zurabiSvili rCeba da misive TqmiT, unda CainiSnos axali arCevnebi. sagulisxmoa isic, rom uilsoni trampis administraciaSi maRal Tanamdebobas daikavebs. ase rom, SeiZleba CavTvaloT, am SemTxvevaSi trampi gvesaubreba jo uilsonis saxeliT da es sisruleSi mova. amitom, mmarTveli gundis msgavsi gancxadeba, rom trampi maT Seumsubuqebs mdgomareobas, cxadia, aradamajerebelia.
– vxedavT, rom qveyanaSi protesti ar wydeba, procesebis rogor ganviTarebas elodebiT?
– qveyana moicva udidesma protestma, sxvadasxva qalaqSi imarTeba aqciebi, aRar darCa uwyeba, sadac protesti ar gamoeTqvaT. amis sapirwoned dasavleTidan araRiareba narCundeba da es gvaZlevs SesaZleblobas, vivaraudoT, rom mmarTvel Zalas resursi maqsimalurad ewureba. represiebic maTi mxridan amiTaa ganpirobebuli, ra moimoqmedon aRar ician, amitom maqsimalur daSinebaze arian gadasuli, Tumca Cven vxedavT, ramdenjerac iZalades adamianebze, miT ufro gaizarda saprotesto muxti, miT meti adamiani gamovida quCaSi. diax, es politikuri duRilis procesia Cveni mxridanac da maTi mxridanac. Cans, rom mmarTveli gundi ufro male daiRleba, radgan rRvevis niSnebi Tavs iCens, kerZod, zogi samarTaldamcavi da sxva uwyebebis warmomadgenlebi cdiloben, gaecalon am protests, mravali gancxadeba daiwera samsaxuris datovebis Sesaxeb. zogi daakmayofiles, zogi – ara, Tumca vxedavT, rom procesi uwyvetia. amitom axla mTavaria gamZleoba. Cven vacnobierebT, ra riskis winaSe vdgavarT da danebebas ar vapirebT.
– mmarTveli partiis wevrebi imasac amboben, rom opoziciis mizania mTavrobis damxoba, Tqveni azri amis Sesaxeb. . .
– Cveni koaliciis erT-erTi slogania – `cvlileba~ da `Canacvleba~. kargad viTavisebT imas, rom araTu skamze mjdomi adamiani unda CavanacvloT, aramed realuri cvlileba unda moxdes. realuri cvlileba niSnavs imas, rom sasamarTlo reforma unda gatardes, saarCevno reforma unda ganxorcieldes, sasamarTloSi Sesul adamians ar unda darCes usamarTlobis gancda. saarCevno reforma imisTvisaa saWiro, TiToeulma adamianma igrZnos, rom misi erTi xma gadamwyvetia. mokled, mravalmxrivi reformaa gasatarebeli. mmarTvel partias sxva araferi darCenia saTqmelad garda imisa, rom dagvabralos qveynis saziano qmedebebi, arada, Cveni mizani aris realuri cvlileba qveyanaSi, Cven vibrZviT, rom Cveni momavali iyos evropuli.
– opozicia ar apirebs parlamentSi saqmianobas, mmarTvel gunds gamoeyo `xalxis Zala~. maTi TqmiT, es partia konstruqciuli opozicia iqneba. . .
– `xalxis Zala~ erTxel `gamoeyo~ mmarTvel partias. Semdeg, roca dasWirda, gaerTiandnen. mokled, rogorc sWirdebaT, ise Wrian da keraven. axla dasWirdaT da Seqmnes fsevdoopozicia `xalxis Zalis~ saxiT, moCvenebiTi prezidenti hyavT yavelaSvilis saxiT. es didxans ver gagrZeldeba, Cven vxedavT im risks, ris winaSec vdgavarT. ase xalxis abuCad agdebis uflebas ver mivcemT am xelisuflebas, amitomac vibrZviT maT winaaRmdeg.
– analitikosebi acxadeben, rom lideri, romelsac SeuZlia aiRos pasuxismgebloba, opoziciaSi ar Cans, ramdenad mosalodnelia, salome zurabiSvili am protestis lideri gaxdes?
– salome zurabiSvili aris ukve am protestis lideri. man bevri gaakeTa imisTvis, rom emxilebina mmarTveli partia, romelic ruseTisken mimaval gzas daadga. saerTod, yvela adamiani, vinc rusTavelze iyo da sxvadasxva qalaqSi aprotestebda mmarTveli partiis qmedebebs, am protestebis lideria, gansakuTrebiT – axalgazrdebi. saTqmelia isic, rom politikosebisadmi miuRebloba gaqra, Cven yvela varT am protestis liderebi, erTad unda mivaRwioT gamarjvebas, aqedanve unda miveCvioT koaliciur reJimSi TanamSromlobas, anu erToblivad muSaobas da ukve xelisuflebaSi mosvlis Semdeg kidev ufro gagviadvildeba TanamSromloba.
– protestis mizezi, garkveulwilad, xelisuflebis gancxadeba gaxda evrokavSirSi gawevrianebis molaparakebebis gaxsnis gadadebis Taobaze, Tumca mmarTveli partia ambobs, rom realurad procesi evrokavSirma SeaCera. . .
– evrokavSirma ki ar SeaCera saqarTvelosTan urTierToba, aramed evrokavSirma gviTxra, rom Tqven gyavT xelisufleba, romelmac wagarTvaT arCevnebis ufleba, gadauxvia demokratiis gzas, aseve, gviTxra, rom ruseT-ukrainis omis msvlelobis dros es xelisufleba ruseTs uWers mxars da ase pozicionirebs. . . mmarTveli partia araTu amis gamosworebas Seecada, aramed piriqiT – gadaxveuli gzidan kidev ufro gadauxvia – premier-ministrma irakli kobaxiZem evrokavSirs mimarTa saqarTvelos sawinaaRmdego gancxadebiT. amas mohyva logikuri protesti imitom, rom Tu gvinda ukeTesi momavali, evropul gzas unda davadgeT da ara rusuls, rasac `qarTuli ocneba~ akeTebs.
– uyuradRebod ver davtovebT `mTavar arxze~ mimdinare procesebs. . .
– SegaxsenebT, rom `mTavari arxi~ cxramet dReSi gaixsna. iq muSaoben gansakuTrebiT patrioti adamianebi. warmatebas vusurveb maT, imedi maqvs, am krizissac daZleven. zaza oquaSvili, rogorc aRmoCnda, yvelaze gadamwyvet momentSi qveynis istoriaSi cdilobs gavides TamaSidan. Cemi azriT, amaSi biZina ivaniSvilis xeli urevia, magram imeds vitoveb, rom am arxze momuSave adamianebi yvelafers gaakeTeben, raTa maTi xma qarTveli xalxis sasikeTod ismodes.
– dabolos, Tu politikuri situacia ar mogvarda, ra uaryofiTi gavlena eqneba amas saqarTvelos saxelmwifoebriobis ganviTarebis TvalsazrisiT?
– darwmunebuli var, politikuri krizisi aRmoifxvreba, radgan Cveni mosaxleoba ar Seegueba usamarTlobas. aravin apirebs defaqto xelisuflebasTan TanamSromlobas, Tanac dasavleTic Cven gverdiTaa. ukve amoqmedda sanqciebi. kerZod, baltiispireTis qveynebma xelisuflebis mimarT sanqciebi SemoiRes. . . cxadia, Tu politikuri krizisi ar daiZleva da es xelisufleba SeinarCunebs Zalauflebas, maSin Cveni qveyana arasaxarbielo mdgomareobaSi aRmoCndeba rogorc politikuri, ise ekonomikuri TvalsazrisiT. aRmovCndebiT ruseTis orbitaSi, rac saqarTvelos daaSorebs evropul gzas da amis daSveba arafriT SeiZleba, Tumca es aris yvelaze cudi albaToba. mjera, rom iseTi adamianebi arian gareT, imxela mxardaWera gvaqvs mosaxleobisgan da plus dasavleTisgan araRiareba arCevnebTan dakavSirebiT, rom movlenebi ukeTesobisken warimarTeba da Tavs gavarTmevT am urTules, mwvave viTarebas.

