ნათელი სარკმელი – ამ სამყაროში
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Tu bavSvebisTvis wer leqsebsa da zRaprebs da isinic siyvaruliT ecnobian, SeiZleba Tavisuflad iTqvas, rom uzenaesis madliT xar mosili. patarebis gulis mogeba ioli rodia, isini xom intuiciurad grZnoben yvelafers, kargsac da cudsac da Seumcdari Semfaseblebi arian. amdenad, sabavSvo poetad saxeldeba Semoqmedisagan, niWTan erTad, did sulier sifaqizesa da siyvaruls moiTxovs. swored am TvisebiT warmoCnda da amitomac Seiyvara mkiTxvelma fiqria CxituniZe, romlis Semoqmedebasac interesiT ecnobian rogorc patara, ise ufrosi asakis mkiTxvelebi. maT saaxalwlod qalbatonma fiqriam mSvenieri nobaTi moumzada – leqsebis wigni `vin dauqsovs Citebs windebs~. maRalpoligrafiul doneze, SesaniSnavad ilustrirebuli wigni namdvilad naTeli sarkmelia am samyaroSi, romlis gaRebis Semdeg, irwmuneb, saswauli namdvilad arsebobs. mTavaria, SeZlo bavSvis TvaliT Sexedo samyaros, Seiyvaro yvela da yvelaferi, ndoba da patieba iswavlo. am suliskveTebiTaa nasazrdoebi mTeli misi Semoqmedeba da TviT es interviuc. fiqria CxituniZe Cveni gazeTis stumaria.
– qalbatono fiqria, bavSvebs Tqveni leqsebiT eferebiT. romeli leqsebi miiRes siyvaruliT?
– neba momeciT, madlierebiT daviwyo. uRrmesi madloba Tqvens gazeTs yuradRebisaTvis. warmatebebsa da bevr mkiTxvels gisurvebT. bavSvebs gansakuTrebiT moswonT Soba-axali wlis dResaswaulTan dakavSirebuli leqsebi, aseve, leqsebi cxovelTa da frinvelTa samyaroze. CemTvis gansakuTrebulad sasiamovnoa patara mkiTxvelebis ukukavSiri, maTi madlierebiT savse baraTebi. aseT dros vfiqrob, rom marTlac mniSvnelovan saqmes vakeTeb da vbednierdebi. gamovarCevdi leqsebs – `Sobis varskvlavi~, `yurcqvitebis nana~, `buebis bebia~, `daTvma dudum daibara~. . . maT gansakuTrebuli siyvaruli da mowoneba daimsaxures patara mkiTxvelisgan. – am cota xnis winaT SesaniSnavad ilustrirebuli leqsebis krebulic gamoeciT. mogviTxreT mis Sesaxeb. . .
– karga xania, Cemi mkiTxveli leqsebis krebuls mTxovs. samwuxarod, Cvens realobaSi es arcTu mcire TanxebTanaa dakavSirebuli. Cemi universiteteli megobrebi magulianebdnen, erTma Sesabamis instanciaSic miSuamdgomla, rom krebuli ufasod dabeWdiliyo, magram araferi gamovida. bolos gadavwyviteT, Semoqmedi adamianebi erTmaneTs davxmarebodiT wignis gamocemaSi. ase daibada Cemi pirveli saavtoro krebuli. gansakuTrebiT minda aRvniSno uniWieresi ilustratoris – zaqro gogatiSvilis wvlili Cemi krebulis agrerigad galamazebaSi. davsZen, rom wignSi Cemi leqsebis meaTedic ki araa Sesuli. tiraJic mcirea – 100 cali, magram dasawyisisTvis mainc kmayofili var da imeds vitoveb, rom sxva krebulebis gamocemasac SevZleb.
– ratom urCevT patarebs mis wakiTxvas, didebs ki ras etyodiT, ras SeaxsenebdiT da urCevdiT?
– krebulis mTeli koncefcia saTaurSia – `vin dauqsovs Citebs windebs?~ ra Tqma unda, is, vinc siyvaruliTa da sikeTiT savsea, vinc icis Tanadgomisa da TanagrZnobis fasi, is, visac sibraluli SeuZlia. ai, amaze gvesaubreba Cemi krebuli. cdilobs, gauRvivos empaTiis grZnoba patarebs, radgan swored maT unda aSenon samyaros xvalindeli dRe. didebs ki Sevaxsenebdi, rom sulis kunWulSi mudam Semoinaxon bavSvoba, rogorc maradiuli bednierebisa da silaRis uSreti wyaro, rogorc adgili, sadac, yofiTi problemebisgan Tavis garidebas SeZleben, suls moiTqvamen.
– saaxalwlod rogor SeexmianebodiT bavSvebs?
– mikvirs im mSoblebis, didmniSvnelovnad rom acxadeben, bavSvebs tyuilSi ver vacxovrebT, rom TiTqos Tovlis babua arsebobs… me amas tyuils ver davarqmevdi. Tovlis babua xom sxva araferia, Tu ara rwmena uangaro sikeTisa. es aris erTi naTeli sarkmeli am samyaroSi. nu dauxSobT am sarkmels bavSvebs. SemTxveviTi ar mgonia, rom swored axali wlis Rames davibade. dResac patara bavSviviT miyvars da mixaria axali weli. SesaZlebloba rom mqondes, Tavad viqnebodi Tovlis bebo, yvela bavSvs gavaxarebdi da gavabednierebdi. ras vetyodi bavSvebs? roca mudmivad kargis molodinSi xar, samyaros sxva gzas ar utoveb. saswauli namdvilad arsebobs, oRond mxolod maTTvis, visac misi dajereba SeuZlia.
– roca ganvlil gzas gascqeriT, ras igonebT sixaruliT, tkiviliT?
– bunebiT optimisti adamiani var da vcdilob, cudze arasodes vifiqro. rasakvirvelia, Cems cxovrebaSic iyo imedgacruebebi, magram raRacnairad vaxerxeb, yoveldRiur sazrunav-sawuxarze avmaRlde, Cemi goneba mxolod pozitiuri fiqriT iyos moculi, magram tkivils versad daemalebi. Zalian adre gardamecvala deda, sul axlaxan davkarge mama, romelmac Cems cxovrebaSi orive mSoblis roli itvirTa. ra Tqma unda, mtkiva es sicariele. mas verafriT amoavseb, Tumca arasodes vwuwuneb. vcdilob, yvelaze negatiurSic vipovo dadebiTi.
– Tqveni ojaxi Tqveni warmatebis safuZvelia. gaacaniT mkiTxvels igi. . .
– ubednieresi bavSvoba mqonda. yvela sikeTis marcvali Cemi siyrmis wlebidan momyveba. amitomac vaniWeb udides mniSvnelobas mcire asakis bavSvebSi sabaziso Rirebulebebis myarad Camoyalibebas. diax, Cemi ojaxi Cemi warmatebis safuZvelia. myavs filologi meuRle – malxaz gogatiSvili, romelic mudam mxars miWers. ori vaJis deda var, ufrosi-muxran gogatiSvili iuristia, umcrosi – maxare – agroteqnologi, ekologi. vamayob Cemi vaJebiT, radgan maT ician sityvis fasi da arasodes ikadreben imas, rac maT Rirsebas Crdils miayenebs. myavs 4 wlis SviliSvili – sofio gogatiSvili, romelic Cemi leqsebis onavari muzaa da romelsac Cemi pirveli sabavSvo krebuli mivuZRveni.
– cxovrebas Tavidan rom iwyebdeT, ra gzas airCevdiT?
– gmadlobT am kiTxvisTvis. visargebleb SemTxveviT da gulistkivils gagiziarebT. universitetis damTavrebis Semdeg, didxans amaod veZebdi samsaxurs. mogvianebiT kompetenciis dadasturebam – gamocdis warmatebiT Cabarebamac ver miSvela. oficialuri samsaxuri arasodes mqonia. vici, bevr bavSvs davakldi. mec Zalian damakldnen isini. Tavs mxolod imiT vinugeSebdi, rom SvilebTan meti drois gatarebis SesaZlebloba momeca. mixaria, rom socialurma qselma viTareba radikalurad Secvala – saSualeba momca, Sinidan gausvlelad vekontaqto patarebs, bavSvebamde mivitano Cemi fiqri da sityva. Secdomebs yvela vuSvebT da raRacas Cems cxovrebaSi, albaT, mec Sevcvlidi, Tumca principebisTvis arasodes miRalatia. meore SesaZlebloba rom momeces, rasakvirvelia, kvlav bavSvebTan urTierTobas avirCevdi.
– `Cven, yvelani Cveni bavSvobidan movdivarT~ – es aqsiomaa, magram. . . bevr ojaxSi mainc ar aqvT es gacnobierebuli. roca amaze fiqrobT? . .
– bevrjer mifiqria-kargi iqneboda, arsebobdes mSoblebis skola da mxolod am skolis gavlis Semdeg aZlevdnen wyvilebs daqorwinebis nebas. bavSvis suli brolis sifrifana WurWeliviT faqizia. am patara adamianebTan urTierToba martivicaa da rTulic. yovel sityvas didi sifrTxiliT unda SerCeva. dauSvebelia simkacre da sisastike. me maqvs zRapari `jadosnuri sarke~. vurCev, waikiTxon ufrosebma, visac bavSvebTan urTierToba uWirs da ar gamosdis. unda SegeZlos, bavSvis TvaliT Sexedo samyaros. es unari arasodes unda mokla SenSi. ai, maSin naxav, rogor gaqreba sadRac RvarZli da rogor iyvavilebs sikeTe.
– sami jadosnuri sityva. . .
– Cemi mSoblebi pedagogebi iyvnen. bavSvobaSi Tu urigo sityva wamogvcdeboda, deda xumrobiT pirs wyliT gamogvarecxinebda xolme. . . mama gvaswavlida, rom sityvam uamravjer SeiZleba Seicvalos Sinaarsi intonaciis mixedviT. amitom, mudam did mniSvnelobas vaniWeb ara marto imas, Tu ras vambob, aramed imasac, rogor vambob. yvela sityvas pativs vcem, magram miyvars maradiulad manaTobeli sityvebi – siyvaruli, ndoba, patieba. es sami sityva SesaniSnavad agvarebs urTierTobebs.
– erTi Tqveni leqsi, romlis wakiTxvas saaxalwlo naZvis xesTan urCevdiT bavSvebs. . .
– `Sobis varskvlavi~
ra varskvlavia, cis TaRze rom laRad anTia?
es patarebis ocnebaTa misamarTia!
ras CauTqvamen Sobis Rames, netav, guliTa?
rom savse iyos maTi kera siyvaruliTa!
rom am siyvaruls dahyvebodnen, rogorc lamparsa,
rom es samyaro daemsgavsos keTil zRaparsa!
rom aRar iyos boroteba, aRarc omebi,
rom dedamiwas ganagebdnen brZeni gnomebi.
ulukmapurod ar darCeso bavSvi arcerTi
yvela pawias ekuTvniso Soba aseTi!
yvela patara uflis tkbili sefewulia,
Tavad ufalic – martooden siyvarulia!

