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aWaris umaRlesi sabWos adamianis uflebaTa dacvis sakiTxTa komitetis Tavmjdomare cotne ananiZe gmobs Zaladobas saprotesto aqciebze da acxadebs, rom darbevebze pasuxismgebloba orive mxares, gansakuTrebiT ki opozicias ekisreba imdenad, ramdenadac piroteqnikis da molotovis koqteilebis gamoyenebiT sasicocxlo safrTxes uqmnidnen samarTaldamcvelebs. am da sxva sakiTxebze deputatma `aWarasTan~ interviuSi isaubra.
– rogor SeafasebT bolo dros ganviTarebul movlenebs?
– 28 noembris Semdeg ganviTarebul movlenebze araerTxel gavakeTe komentari, magram viTareba isev daZabulia da vfiqrob, ar iqneba zedmeti, kvlav ganvixiloT, ra moxda da ras unda velodoT am kuTxiT. evrokavSiris gancxadebis Semdeg, rom 2030 wlamde ar apirebs arcerTi qveynis wevrobis ganxilvas, am kuTxiT aqtivoba Cven veraviTar Sedegs integraciis nawilSi ver mogvcemda, am integraciis generaluri xazi gadis asocirebis xelSekrulebis, Rrma da yovlismomcveli savaWro xelSekrulebis Sesrulebaze. swored es iyo premieris ganacxadi, romlis sxvadasxvagvari interpretaciis Sedegad Cveni oponentebis mxridan miviReT saprotesto aqciebis sakmaod mozrdili talRa. xazgasmiT vacxadeb, rom arcerTi fraza, arcerTi sityva ar Tqmula, arcerTi qmedeba ar ganxorcielebula, romelic saqarTvelos evrokavSirSi integracias Seaferxebda, arc irakli kobaxiZis da mTavrobis an sakanonmdeblo organoebis warmomadgenlebis mxridan. aqve isic gaixseneT, rom swored `qarTuli ocnebis~ xelisuflebis dros moxda evrokavSirTan Tvisobrivi da faqtobrivi daaxloeba, vgulisxmob asocirebis da savaWro xelSekrulebebis dadebas, vizaliberalizacias da kandidatis statusis miRebas. radgan es vaxsene, minda ganvavrco Tema da ganvacxado, rom kandidatis statusi usamarTlod dagvigvianes, radgan ukrainasa da moldovasTan SedarebiT, TvalsaCinoa Cveni qveynis progresi. amitom vTvli, rom absoluturad daumsaxureblad gadavadda am statusis miniWeba, magram sabolood esec miviReT. axlac iseTive sajildao qva iqneba molaparakebebis gaxsna, rogorc iyo 2023 wlis dekembramde. . . arCevnebidan 28 noembramde opoziciis mxridan iyo politikuri protestis imitacia. dRes euTo/odiris daskvniT damtkicda, rom araviTari gayalbeba ar yofila, miT umetes – 300 aTasi xmis. am daskvnam yvelasTvis cxadi gaxada Cveni partiis umwikvlo reputacia. am patara qveyanaSi yvela yvelas icnobs, samezoblo, sanaTesao, samegobro, xalxi isea erTmaneTSi gadajaWvuli, rom ar arsebobs, vinmes rame ar wamocdes. aqedan gamomdinare, warmoudgenelia, gaayalbo 300 aTasi xma ise, rom aravin gaigos, ar dainaxos. nonsensia, daatrialo e.w. karuselebi, roca saqme gaqvs xmis damTvlel eleqtronul teqnikasTan.
– opozicia Tvlis, rom Tqven maTi xmebis didi nawili swored am gzebiT miitaceT. . .
– Tu saTanado xmebi ver miiRes, sakuTar Tavs daabralon da ara Cven. kargad vxedavdiT me, zaal miqelaZe da gia Wyonia, rodesac sofel-sofel davdiodiT mosaxleobasTan winasaarCevno Sexvedrebze, opoziciuri partiebi iq namyofic ar iyvnen da rogorc Semdeg gavarkvieT, arc apirebdnen Casvlas. gadaxedeT im periodis maT socialur qselebs, teqstebis da mimarTvebis werac ar surdaT sakuTari amomrCevlebisaTvis. risi imedi hqondaT, mainc ver gavige. miiRes is Sedegi, rac daTeses. axla ras gvabraleben da ra undaT? Zalian martivad aqvT saqme awyobili – rogorc ki ver aagroveben maTTvis saWiro xmebis raodenobas, Semokraven gangaSis zars da gahkivian, mogvatyues, xmebi mogvpareso. `qarTulma ocnebam~ awarmoa sakmaod Zlieri winasaarCevno kampania, yvela vmuSaobdiT, davdiodiT mosaxleobaSi, 24/7-ze Sexvedrebi gvqonda da vikvlevdiT maT saWiroebebs, vecnobodiT problemebs, xolo Cveni gzavnilebi absoluturad Seesabameboda saqarTvelos irgvliv Seqmnil omis dawyebis realur safrTxes da amomrCevlis dakveTebs. dRes sxva Sefasebis gakeTebac aris SesaZlebeli, alen berses vizitis Semdeg, sul sxvanairad warmoCnda yvelaferi. sruli sami dRe imyofeboda evrosabWos generaluri mdivani saqarTveloSi. manamde mouTmenlad eloda mis Camosvlas opozicia, Tumca rogorc ki dainaxes, rom es adamiani marTla apirebda gaerkvia, sad iyo simarTle, maSinve gadgnen gverdze. opoziciis nawili Tavidanve, Segnebulad, ar Sexvda, gamoucxada boikoti berses, xolo rogorc ki generalurma mdivanma preskonferencia gamarTa da erTgvari politikur-samarTlebrivi mokvlevis safuZvelze gaaJRera sakuTari azri yvela im sakiTxTan dakavSirebiT, rasac opozicia ayenebda dRis wesrigSi, im wuTSive daiwyo sastiki bulingi mis mimarT. moawyves radikalizmis da antievropulobis lustrireba, risi mowmec gavxdiT mTeli sazogadoeba.
– eoTo/odiris mimarT ar aqvT protesti, piriqiT, mxars uWeren mis daskvnas da iTxoven vadamdel arCevnebs.
– es jer arian am etapze, radgan CaeWidnen SeniSvnebs da rekomendaciebs, romlebic am daskvnaSia gawerili, miaCniaT, rom mxolod es aris sakmarisi vadamdeli arCevnebis dasaniSnad. saerTod ki, ar arsebobs msgavsi daskvnebi SeniSvnebis (maT Soris mwvave) gareSe. arcerT qveyanaSi ar tardeba umwikvlo arCevnebi, yvelgan aris raRac tipis darRvevebi. Cvenze mZime SeniSvnebi misca aSS-is arCevnebs euTo/odirma. sxva qveynebSic igivea. mTavari am daskvnaSi aris is, imoqmedebs Tu ara daSvebuli xarvezebi arCevnebis saboloo bedze, aq euTo/odirma gadawyvita, rom arCevnebi Catarda, `qarTuli ocneba~ umravlesobiT movida parlamentsa da umaRles sabWoSi Tavisufali arCevnebis gziT, anu legitimacia aRiarebulia. opozicias sxva gza ar darCenia, eWideba am xarvezebs, TiTqos es Secvlis Catarebuli arCevnebis anatomias.
– opoziciurad ganwyobili deputatebi, romlebic euTo/odiris daskvnas elodnen, rogor fiqrobT, Semovlen sakanonmdeblo organoebSi?
– rodesac vnaxe zurabiSvilis interviu sazogadoebriv mauwyebelTan, mivxvdi, rom euTo/odiris daskvna ar daasxamda maT wisqvilze wyals, radgan salomem ganacxada, rom am daskvnas maTTvis ar eqneboda mniSvneloba. kargad icodnen, rom euTo/odiri ver ityoda imaze mets, vidre realurad iyo, amitom ver SeZlebdnen axali cecxlis danTebas.
– magram axla amboben, rom euTo/odirma es arCevnebi negatiurad Seafasa. . .
– sxva ra darCeniaT, procesebis forsirebas axdenen, CaeWidnen im SeniSvnebs da rekomendaciebs, romlebic, rogorc ukve aRvniSne, sxva qveynebis arCevnebis Semdegac didi raodenobiT iwereba. rac Seexeba sakanonmdeblo organoebSi Semosvlas, iseTi mocemulobaa, rom vfiqrob, movlenebi ganviTardeba 2020 wlis analogiurad. . . Tu ufro radikaluri gza ar airCia opoziciam. `axlebis~ erT-erTi lideris, nika gvaramias, gancxadebac aris sayuradRebo am mxriv, man Tqva, rom axali Sarl miSeli ar iqneba am etapze. aq ufro antievropuli ganwyoba SeiniSneba, Tu daakvirdebiT.
– ar SemiZlia ar gkiTxoT, ra damokidebuleba gaqvT saprotesto aqciebis monawileTa darbevasTan dakavSirebiT, rogorc yofili Jurnalisti, ras fiqrobT mediis warmomadgenelTa saqmianobis SezRudvebis Sesaxeb?
– cxadia, vgmob yvelanair darbevas. calsaxaa, rom es aris danaSauli, Zaladoba. ar unda davuSvaT Jurnalisturi saqmianobis SezRudva da xelis SeSla. samwuxarod, aseTi bevri faqti dafiqsirda, razec gamoZiebaa dawyebuli da sagamoZiebo samsaxurma da Sinagan saqmeTa saministrom yvelaferi unda gaakeTon, raTa damnaSaveTa identificireba da maTi kanonis sruli dacviT dasja moxdes. pirvel rigSi, es Cvens, `qarTuli ocnebis~, interesebSi Sedis. xSirad mqonda am Temaze saubaric da interviuebic. paralelebs avlebdnen 7 noemberTan. maSin aqciis ara daSlis, aramed darbevis Semdeg politikuri elita gamovida da mosaxleobas xmamaRla ganucxada: `suls amogxdiT~, xolo kobaxiZem – vgmobT Zaladobas da yvelafers gavakeTebT damnaSaveTa identificirebisa da dasjisTviso. amavdroulad, iciT, rom winasaaxalwlo periodSi dgeba piroteqnikis arasworad gamoyenebis safrTxis sakiTxi. naxeT nebismieri wlis 1-2 ianvris gadacemebi, yvelgan aris aRniSnuli, ramdeni dazianda seriozulad maSxalebis arasworad gamoyenebis gamo. bevri adamiani dasaxiCrda, rodesac xelSi aufeTqda piroteqnika. axla Tavad warmoidgineT, rodesac maSxalas specialurad umizneb adamians da esvri, rodesac molotovis koqteils miasxam da dawvav, raRaze unda ilaparako, am koqteilebiT faSistebs ebrZodnen partizanebi, anu sakmaod Zlieri iaraRia. nebismieri iuristi ityvis, rom piroteqnikis srola aris sxeulis da janmrTelobis ganzrax dazianebis mcdeloba. amas emateba qvebis srola. Sesabamisad, es aqciebi ver CaiTvleba mSvidobianad.
– aqciis monawileebi acxadebdnen, rom isini amiT Tavs icavdnen darbevisgan. . .
– modiT, nu avyvebiT intrigas, aravin aravis exeboda fizikurad, sanam benzins da navTs ar miasxamdnen da cecxls ar aukidebdnen, SeiZleba es sityvierad Tqvan, magram ver daamtkiceben, imitom, rom msgavsi araferi yofila. samarTaldamcvelebi ar reagirebdnen im uwmawur sityvebze, rasac xmamaRla uyvirodnen aqciis monawileebi swored maTi wyobidan gamoyvanis mizniT. yvelam viciT, ra gineba da wyevla-krulva ismoda aqciebze. . . simarTle vTqvaT, nu viqnebiT mikerZoebulebi. kidev erTxel vimeoreb, piradad me yvelanairi Zaladobis winaaRmdegi var, magram mimaCnia, rom seriozuli gamoZieba daadgens, vin, ratom, ra mizniT da ras akeTebda. . . bevri aqcia gamoviareT, Tumca arasodes SuSac ki ar Cagvimtvrevia, ar SeiZleba, radikalizacia CaiTvalos normaluri, kanonmorCili moqalaqeebis mSvidobian saprotesto Sekrebad.
– Tuki opozicia ar Seva sakanonmdeblo organoebSi, erTpartiuli parlamenti da umaRlesi sabWo gveqneba?
– Tu aseTi ram moxda, es iqneba maTive amomrCevlis upativcemuloba, radgan calsaxaa, rom am xalxs sakuTarma amomrCevelma xma misca sakanonmdeblo da warmomadgenlobiT organoebSi maTi interesebis gasatareblad. sxva ra datvirTva aqvs parlaments da ratom irCeven sxvadasxva partiis warmomadgenlebs? Semovlen Tu ar Semovlen, maTi gadasawyvetia. rac Seexeba Cvens pozicias – arCevnebis Sedegebidan, samarTlebrivi aspeqtebidan, mandatebis gadanawilebidan da sakonstitucio sasamarTlos poziciidan gamomdinare, `qarTul ocnebas~ aqvs umravlesoba rogorc parlamentSi, ise umaRles sabWoSi da rogorc centralur, ise regionis doneze sakuTar uflebamosilebas warmatebiT ganaxorcielebs.
– saaxalwlo survilebi?
– minda vusurvo mSvidoba mTel msoflios, yvela cxeli wertilis Caqroba da damSvideba. . . Cvens qveyanas vusurveb stabilurobas, ekonomikur ganviTarebas da teritoriuli mTlianobis aRdgenas. yvela qarTvelis ocnebaa, davuyveT zRvis sanapiros da Seuferxeblad CavideT biWvinTaSi. . . bednieri axali weli gqonodes, saqarTvelo!!!

