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arasamTavrobo organizacia ,,mSvidobis qartiis“ xelmZRvaneli badri paqsaZe ara mxolod saukeTeso uflebadamcvelia, aramed poeturi niWiTac aris damokidebuli, uyvars xelovneba, literatura. mwerali adamianis uflebebis upirvelesi damcvelia – ase swams baton badris, romelsac asobiT adamiani samarTlianobis erTgul mcvelad miiCnevs da afasebs, Tavad ki maT Tavisi saqmiTa da sityviT, leqsebiT eqomageba da satkivars uamebs. leqsebs internetsivrceSi aqveynebs da mkiTxvelic sakmaod hyavs. gTavazobT intervius badri paqsaZesTan.

– Cveni gazeTis stumari araerTxel iyaviT, gulaxdiladac gvisaubria, axla ras etyviT Cvens mkiTxvels?

– saTqmels ra gamolevs. minda erT sakiTxze gavamaxvilo Tqveni yuradReba. Zalze mtkivneulia is, rac xdeba Ramis klubebSi, ra ganukiTxaobacaa. Znelia, roca xedav, rogor iRupebian Cveni qveynis axalgazrdebi (maT Soris arasrulwlovnebi), nebsiT Tu uneblieT xdebian damokidebulebi da eZalebian narkotikul saSualebebs. aravin akontrolebs Ramis klubebSi ra fsiqotropul nivTierebebs iReben, ras ewevian, ras ikeTeben, rasac zogjer fataluri Sedegi mosdevs. Cveni mosaxleobis didi nawili CaTreulia da Caflulia onlainTamaSebis WaobSi, bolo TeTramde ageben fuls, Zarcvaven sakuTar ojaxebs. aravis ainteresebs, sabolood vis jibeebSi ileqeba es uzarmazari Tanxebi. vfiqrob, swored xelisufleba unda zrunavdes am mtkivneuli sakiTxebis samarTlianad gadawyvetaze.

– internetsivrceSi popularuli xarT. es giZlierebT SemoqmedebiT muxts?

– roca vwer, CemSi mTeli samyaro Semodis, irealur xmebs Cems xmas vuerTeb da Cemeburad vambob, mgoni, vmReri ufro, es gulis simReraa, romelic macocxlebs… poezia CemTvis Sinagani, sulieri moTxovnilebaa. jer kidev 13-14 wlis asakSi daviwye leqsebis wera. popularobisa ra mogaxsenoT, Sefaseba mkiTxvelisTvis mimindia. dRemde arcerTi leqsi ar damiweria Tavis gamoCenis an SeqebisTvis, es Cemi Sinagani samyaroa, saTqmeli, romelic unda vTqva, gamovxato. vcdilob, cudi arasodes davimaxsovro, mimtevebeli da gulwrfeli var. yovelive es da internetsivrceSi dadebiTi gamoxmaurebebi miZlierebs SemoqmedebiT muxts.

– rogorc vici, poetebis saerTaSoriso asociaciis aWaris regionul organizacias xelmZRvanelobdiT. . . amJamad ra siaxlea am kuTxiT?

– amJamadac vxelmZRvanelob. simarTle is aris, rom subieqturi Tu obieqturi mizezebis gamo, Seferxebuli iyo saqarTvelos poetebis saerTaSoriso asociaciis aWaris respublikuri organizaciis saqmianoba, Tumca ukve gvaqvs siaxleebi. minda madloba gadavuxado TanadgomisTvis, erTgulebisTvis cnobil poets, saqarTvelos poetebis saerTaSoriso asociaciis Tavmjdomares, baton levan fanCviZes, romelsac udidesi wvlili Seaqvs Tanamedrove qarTul poeziaSi.

– mwerali – adamianis upirvelesi damcveli. es Tqveni slogania. rogor mogyavT moqmedebaSi rogorc samarTaldamcavs?

– diax, ase mwams, es aris kacobis sazomi, sxvagvarad arc mesmis. upirveles yovlisa, Rirseuli adamianis cxovrebis kredos unda warmoadgendes samarTlianoba… Rrmad mwams, rom mwerali unda iyos Tavisi drois WeSmariti mesityve – adamianis sulieri aRmzrdeli da samarTliani damcveli. unda icavdes yoveli adamianis interess, SeZlebisdagvarad xels uwvdides gaWirvebuls, unda iyos samagaliTo, warmoadgendes Rirsebisa da patiosnebis etalons. roca dazaralebulis an gaWirvebulis interesebs vicav, momyavs Cemi slogani moqmedebaSi. simarTle da samarTlianoba upirveles yovlisa.

– axlaxan internetSi ganTavsebul Tqvens leqsebs mravali dadebiTi gamoxmaureba mohyva. imeds gviRviZebso, werdnen komentarebSi. am imedebze esaubreT Cvens mkiTxvels.

– Tqveni gazeTiT minda gadavuxado guliTadi madloba yvela im megobars, vinc internetsivrceSi aqtiurobs, miwonebs da mifasebs leqsebs. populisti namdvilad ar var, vinc micnobs, es yvelam icis, Tumca mkiTxvelTa aseTi siTbo, mxardaWera Zalze maxarebs. risi imedi unda gvqondes? mokled getyviT – saqarTvelos ukeTesi momavlis.

– rodis gstumroben muzebi?

– rogorc giTxariT, leqsebis wera 13-14 wlis asakSi daviwye. Cemi sulieri mdgomareoba Cemi STagonebaa. xSirad axali leqsis dabadebas, daweras garkveuli mizez-garemoeba Tan axlavs, gansazRvravs, magaliTad, SegrZneba sikeTis, silamazis, siyvarulis Tu usamarTlobasTan Widili, anu ra dros ra mdgomareobaSi SeiZleba aRmoCnde. es aris emociebi, romlebic mere leqsebad gardaiqmneba. yovelive es maZlevs saSualebas, vicocxlo, vibrZolo da viSromo.
– wigni, romelmac wakiTxvis Semdeg gauqrobi sevda dagitovaT da axla ras kiTxulobT?

– minda ufro sxvagvarad gipasuxoT, wignebis kiTxva Cemi hobia. uwignuri hgavs ufrTo Cits, romelsac surs caSi afrena, magram ar SeuZlia. yoveli wigni, romani, moTxroba, Canaweri Tu narkvevi, poezia Tu proza da a. S. Tavisebur gavlenas axdens Cems Sexedulebebsa Tu emociebze, Tumca amaTgan minda gamovyo wminda RvTiuri wigni, romelic arasodes Zveldeba, romelsac yavli arasodes gaudis, romelic iZleva yoveldRiur sulier sazrdos, akeTilSobilebs da moZRvravs adamianebs da mivyavarT swori, samarTliani, WeSmariti gziT. es aris CemTvis Seucvleli, yoveldRiurad sakiTxavi wigni.

– romeli mimarTulebis mxatvroba da musika mogwonT?

– gamovyofdi ramdenime mimarTulebas, magaliTad, barokos stils, romelic iyenebda mZafr da wminda adgilad aRsaqmel detalebs dramis, simZafris grandiozulobis gadmosacemad skulpturaSi, ferweraSi, literaturaSi. mainteresebs eqspresionizmi, romelmac mniSvnelovani roli Seasrula mxatvrobis, literaturis, Teatris, kinos, arqiteqturis ganviTarebaSi. rac Seexeba musikas, gana aris iseTi adamiani, didi Tu patara, vinc ar usmens musikas? momwons klasika, qarTuli mravalxmianoba, vusmen fanoRs, ucxour simRerebs. . .

– roca bunebaSi xarT. . . peizaJebi, Tqvens aRtacebas rom iwveven. . .

– bednieri var bunebaSi yofnisas. aisis Tu daisis, dRis Tu Ramis yvela peizaJi mitacebs, Rameuli cac iwvevs kacs saocnebod. . . Cemi leqsebidan davimowmeb striqonebs:

Suqs aTovda mTvare cidan,

saocari idga Rame,

cad varskvlavi wilsa hyrida.
maxsendeba im adamianTa gaoceba, vinc pirvelad naxa Cveni buneba da aRtacebas ver malavda. diax, bunebaSi ubralo gaseirnebac ki grZnobebs afaqizebs. saqarTvelos buneba unikaluria. aq mTas Taviseburi xibli aqvs, bars kidev – Taviseburi. erTmaneTTanaa Serwymuli da Seni vTebuli, romlis msgavsi sxvagan arsad moiZebna. guldasawyvetia, rom ar SegviZlia misi saTanadod danaxva da Sefaseba. gasuli saukunis 90-ian wlebSi gaCexes da gaanadgures tyeebi, iavarqmnes bunebis silamaze da simdidre. samwuxarod, arc dResaa am mxriv saqme ukeTesad. diax, ver viswavleT bunebis wignis kiTxva.
– ra aris Tqveni yvelaze didi safiqrali?

– qveynis awmyo da momavali. saqarTvelo, isev da isev, istoriis gzagasayarzea. am dros aucilebelia erovnuli konsolidaciis ideis wina planze wamoweva, erovnuli Tanxmoba da erToba, umravlesobis azris gaTvaliswineba da pativiscema, rac ugulebelyofilia.

aTeuli wlebis ganmavlobaSi xelovnurad mimdinareobs saqarTvelos mosaxleobis daxleCa-danawevreba.

saqarTvelo upirveles yovlisa!.. ar arsebobs amaze ukeTesi cneba. Cven unda vicavdeT samSoblos. yoveli WeSmariti qarTveli, yoveli WeSmariti saqarTvelos moqalaqe unda idges sakuTari samSoblos sadarajoze. Cemi samSoblos siamaye erovnul da sulier TavisuflebaSia, es aris Cveni: mamuli, ena, sarwmunoeba.

– roca daCagrul adamians xvdebiT da usmenT. . .

– Zalian bevri adamianis satkivari momismenia, arasodes gavurbivar aseT adamianebs, piriqiT, mTeli gulisyuriT vusmen, Tanac vfiqrob, rogor SevZleb misi tkivilis Semsubuqebas, daxmarebas. yvela adamianis tkivils sakuTar tkivilad aRviqvam. yvelaze cudi is aris, roca xedav, adamiani camde marTalia da usamarTlobiT iCagreba. saxelmwifo mudmivad unda idges Tavisi mowodebis simaRleze, aucilebelia kanonis uzenaesoba, igi yvelasTvis erTnairi unda iyos da ara – SerCeviTi. saxelmwifo unda icavdes Tavisi moqalaqeebis interesebs, aseve, saxelmwifos valdebulebaa, gaWirvebuli, usaxlkaro ojaxebis Seswavla-dadgena da sacxovrebeli farTiT dakmayofileba.

– winaprebi, romlebTanac sulier erTobas grZnobT. . .

– yvelaferi, rac qarTvelebs mogvyveba dRemde, Tavisi tradiciebiT da wes-CveulebebiT, Cveni diadi mefeebis da winaprebis damsaxurebaa. maT danatovars TvalisCiniviT unda dacva da gafrTxileba. Cveni saxelmwifoebrivi sidiade, erovnuli siamaye erovnul fesvebSia. am fesvebTan vgrZnob siaxloves da sulier erTobas, rac Cems cxovrebas asazrdoebs.

– `romelman Seqmna samyaro~ – roca amaze fiqrobT.

– samyaros Semoqmedi erTi RmerTia. yovel Cvengans gvakisria sakuTari pasuxismgebloba da piradi valdebuleba RmerTis, eris, qveynis winaSe… RmerTis winaSe unda iyo pirnaTeli, gauZlo gamocdas, ra formiTac unda iyos igi movlenili, SegeZlos moTmena da iyo mimtevebeli, xels uwvdide gaWirvebuls, iyo samarTliani, pativs scemde yvelas, akeTo sikeTe. . . `giyvardes moyvasi Seni, viTarca Tavi Seni~ – esaa Cemi mrwamsi.

– yvelaze metad ra gaxarebT, risi gakeTeba gsurT?

– ra Tqma unda, yovelTvis maxarebs: mSvidoba, qveynis siZliere, moqalaqeebis keTildReoba. maqvs da momavalSic meqneba survili, vakeTo is, rac karg, samarTlian saqmed mimaCnia, rasac qarTuli, erovnuli, tradiciuli hqvia.

– cifrul transformacias rogor SeewyveT?

– cifruli transformacia Tanamedroveobis mowodeba da moTxovnaa. swored man Secvala msoflios saxe imdenad, rom mTeli msoflio gamovida yovelgvari rkinis fardebidan, dRes araferi rCeba miuwvdomeli. cifrulma teqnologiebma daaaxlova sxvadasxva eri da xalxi, sruliad damoukidebeli da erTiani gaxada saqmian sferoebSi. es aris cifruli transformaciis mTavari damsaxureba. warmoudgenelia dRes gzis gakvalva, Tu teqnologias ar flob. ase rom, mec gadavewyve, rogorc ityvian, cifrulad.

– Tqven da ojaxi. rogori meojaxe xarT?

– maxarebs Cemi ojaxi – saukeTeso meuRle, ori Svili, aRzrdili qarTul wes-Cveulebebs da tradiciebze. arc me var cudi meojaxe.

– Tqven da baTumi, rogor gesaxebaT igi momavalSi?

– baTumi Cemi qalaqia, qaTqaTa, ulamazesi xedebiT, zRvis sanapiroTi. baTumi siyvarulis qalaqia, stumarTmoyvareobiT gamorCeuli. baTumelebis momRimari saxeebi yvela stumars ganawyobs keTilmosurned, magram aqve minda vTqva, rom qalaqis ganaSenianebaSi Secdomebia, aris ubnebi garkveuli Seusabamo dagegmarebiT, quCebSi ar arsebobs safexmavlo bilikebi, amave dros, mravalsarTulian sacxovrebel binebs saerTod ar gaaCniaT saparkinge teritoria da a. S., rac diskomforts uqmnis mosaxleobas,

Tumca qalaqs aqvs udidesi SesaZlebloba, ganviTardes msoflio Tanamedrove standartebis Sesabamisad.
– dabolos kiTxva, romelic xSirad giCndebaT?

– roca axalgazrda ambobs: `Cemi samSoblo evropaa~, aseTi adamianis ar mesmis da miCndeba kiTxva – ratom? namdvili patrioti sakuTari qveynis despani unda iyos yvelgan da yovelTvis. samSoblos moyvaruli adamiani unda idges mis sadarajoze, icavdes qveynis interesebs, Tavis qarTvelobas, winaparTa tradicias da wes-Cveulebebs, yoveli patrioti qarTveli valdebulia, saWiroebis SemTxvevaSi, sakuTari sxeuliT da sisxliT daicvas mamuli, ena, sarwmunoeba…