“მადლი, რომელსაც გულით გავცემთ, უფალთან გვაახლოებს”
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mariam kozmaniSvils kargad icnoben saqarTveloSi. ukve mravali welia `feisbuqze~ aqveynebs Tavis leqsebs, romlebsac asobiT mkiTxveli hyavs. qalbatoni mariami oTxi poeturi krebulis avtoria, amasTan, saintereso qandakebebs qmnis, mis xelSi Cveulebrivi qva cocxldeba da mimzidvel personaJebad gardaiqmneba. xelovnebis motrfiale qalbatonis umSvenieresi kar-midamoc misi niWisa da rudunebis dasturia. qalbatonma mariamma wlebis manZilze Tavdauzogavi SromiTa da siyvaruliT gamoZerwa sakuTari Tavi. Tu rogor, pasuxs interviuSi SeityobT.
– pirveli leqsi. . . ra iyo inspiraciis wyaro da Semdeg rogor warimarTa Tqveni cxovreba?
– pirveli leqsi TerTmeti wlisam davwere. Cemi saxlis fanjridan zafxulis Takara mzisferSi molivlive sivrces gavyurebdi da bavSvurma muzam samSoblos silamazeze da siyvarulze leqsi damawerina. mas male meore mohyva, dedisadmi miZRvnili. maxsovs, deda daeWvda, namdvilad me Tu davwere da protestis niSnad davxie. miuxedavad Cemi arcTu dalxenili bavSvobis wlebisa, leqsis weris survili arasdros gamnelebia. skolis damTavrebamde periodulad ibeWdeboda imdroindel Jurnal-gazeTebSi. mecxre klasSi viyavi, roca saqarTvelos televiziis pirvel arxze, gadacema `sapovnelaSi~ movxvdi sxva bavSvebTan erTad.
– Tqveni leqsebi yuradRebas ipyrobs, socqselebSi mravali mexotbe gyavT. . . `mxolod sakuTar Tavs minda vgavde~ – werT erTgan. SeZeliT TviTrealizacia ise, rogorc gsurdaT?
– 2011-12 wlebidan gavxdi socqselis binadari. . . frTxilad, gaubedavad varCevdi adamianebs, visi aqtiurobac Cems yuradRebas ipyrobda. erT-erTi aseTi saintereso adamiani gaxldaT roland xojanaSvili, romelic friad aqtiuri, xalisiani da CemTvis misaRebi `postebiT~ gamoirCeoda. . . gavbede da vTxove, waekiTxa Cemi ramdenime leqsi. sul male rolandma Tavis `kedelze~ gaaziara Cemi `baraTi dedas~, rasac saocari gamoxmaureba mohyva. erTbaSad gamravlda da gaizarda Cemi `feissamegobro~… amas mohyva leqsi – `karTan mze davde~, romelsac axali saxeli, `mzemariami~, mohyva nobaTad. marTlac, bevri mkiTxveli hyavs Cems poezias, uflis wyalobiT. . . adamiani mudmivad eZebs sakuTari arsis, qveynad mosvlis mizezs da saidumlos. sakuTari Tavis povna ar aris martivi. arc TviTrealizacia modis advilad. am asakis gadmosaxedidan, vfiqrob, ase Tu ise mainc movaxerxe mepovna adgili sazogadoebaSi.
– STabeWdilebebi, romlebic gasazrdoebT?
– Cemnairi, mgrZnobiare adamianisTvis STabeWdilebebi metad mniSvnelovani da faseulia. is, rac sxvas SesaZloa, saerTod ar ainteresebdes, CemTvis mZafri SegrZnebebis wyaro xdeba. . . xSirad scdeba pirovneba da misi Semoqmedeba erTmaneTs. xSirad micruvdeba imedi. mwydeba guli, roca aRmovaCen, rom kargi leqsis miRma ampartavani, sakuTar Tavze Seyvarebuli cinikosi dgas. . . sikeTes, Tavmdablobas, gulwrfelobas moaqvs CemTvis waruSlelad mSvenieri STabeWdileba, romelic samomavlo gzaze siarulis Zalad mexideba. . .
– Tqveni ezo-midamo walkots daamgvaneT. . .
– davibade da gavizarde kaxeTSi. Cemi mSobliuri sofeli uaRresad didi istoriuli mniSvnelobis matarebelia. mas Zvelad `qristes saflavis miwad~ moixseniebdnen. arcTu vrcel teritoriaze 80-mde eklesia da saydaria mimofantuli. . . amave soflis mkvidri gaxda Cemi momavali cxovrebis Tanamgzavri. moxda ise, rom 90-ian wlebSi mogviwia soflidan qalaq TelavSi gadasvla sacxovreblad, ukve sam SvilTan erTad. 30 weli vicxovreT korpusis binaSi da mTeli am xnis ganmavlobaSi menatreboda sakuTari saxli da ezo. . . 2020 wels moxda saswauli da davubrundiT sakuTar fesvebs. saxli, romelic SeviZineT, yofili mflobelis mkveTrad Seryeuli janmrTelobis gamo mouvleli, ezo gaudaburebuli gaxldaT. dRes, Cemi da Cemi meuRlis wyalobiT damSvenda, gasufTavda. . .
baRSi arsebul nargavebs, uamravi axali xe da yvavili Seemata da gamvlel-gamomvlelTa, momsvlel-wamsvlelTa aRtacebis obieqtad iqca.
– umTavresi, Cvens adamianobas rom gansazRvravs. . .
– ramdenime wlis win, rodesac jer kidev kargad ar vicnobdi Cems feismegobrebs, damWirda Tanxa uaRresad mniSvnelovani saqmisTvis. an sabanko momsaxurebiT unda mesargebla, rac im dros umZimes tvirTad meqceoda, an sxva gza unda momeZebna. . .
vinaidan CemSi maradiuli meocnebe maradiulad saxlobs, socialuri sivrcis meSveobiT gavugzavne survili samyaros. oriode wuTSi wavSale Cemi gulubryvilo gzavnili da hoi, saocrebav! gaixsna Cemi `mesenjeri~ da ucnobma qalbatonma daxmareba SemomTavaza! oriode dReSi saWiro Tanxa bankis meSveobiT gadmomiricxa gaognebuls. kiTxvaze, `rogor mendo me, misTvis ucxos?~, mipasuxa: `Tqven iseT leqsebs werT, tyuils arasdros ikadrebT~. es uangaro da gulwrfeli sikeTe CemTvis adamianobis ganmsazRvreli, udidesi gakveTili gaxldaT. madli, romelsac guliT gavcemT, ufalTan gvaaxloebs. . .
– natvra da ocneba, romelic mudam Tan gdevT. . .
– urTules droSi gviwevs cxovreba. . . politikurma vnebaTaRelvam gagvyo, gagvTiSa da dagvapirispira ara marto ucxo da Soreuli adamianebi, aramed ojaxis wevrebic. . . kamaTi, wyevla, gineba, cinizmi samarcxvino realobad iqca. saocari xalxi varT. erTdroulad keTilnic da borotnic. . . sixarulSi, bednierebaSi, qveynis siyvarulSi gaerTianebuli, gamTlianebuli, gasuldidebul, Rirseul ersa da berze vocnebob.
– `dro, dro aRniSne~ – Tqveni reaqcia am frazaze.
– dro, romelSic vimyofebiT, vqmniT, vaSenebT, metad mniSvnelovania. viCxrikebiT warsulSi, viZiebT momavlis idumalebas, magram viRwviT axla da aq, sadac vimyofebiT konkretul mdgomareobaSi. leqss, musikas, naxats. . . yvelafers, rasac Cveni goneba da TiTebi qmnis, TariRi ar unda davukargoT. `xvale~ Tavisas moitans. dRes naRvawi swored xvales rCeba gansasjelad.
– ras SecvlidiT Cvens wes-CveulebebSi da romel tradicias unda vuerTguloT?
– bevri saukeTeso wes-Cveuleba gvaqvs SemorCenili qarTvelebs, rac Cvens identobas usvams xazs. wes-Cveuleba da kultura ganasxvavebs erebs erTmaneTisgan. Sevclidi, rom SemeZlos, `qelexis mravalstumrian sufris Cveulebas~. ufro metad ganvamtkicebdi ufrosisadmi (mSoblisadmi, bebia-papebisadmi) pativiscemas da mowiwebas. yvela gonier adamians SeuZlia, uaryos cudi da uerTgulos Zvirfas tradiciebs.
– rogor fiqrobT, rogori mkiTxvelebi varT umetesoba da
Tavad Tqven?
– ufro gulmodgine da kargi mkiTxveli gaxldiT wlebis win, roca ar iyo interneti. dRes da Rames vasworebdi wignis kiTxvaSi. axla mec, iseve rogorc bevri Cvens droSi, wignis sakiTxavad `veRar vicli~. . . Tumca aq, socsivrceSi gamoqveynebul sakiTxavs Tvals ver varideb. did sulier kmayofilebas viReb kargi avtorebis, kargi nawarmoebebis kiTxvisas. Mmgoni, kargad varCev Rirebuls mdaresgan . . . samwuxarod, sust da uRimRamo leqsebsac hyavs Tavisi momwonebeli da xotbisSemsxmeli, magram es kategoria, rogorc mkiTxveli, moikoWlebs. . . miuxedavad yvelafrisa, gonieri mkiTxveli yovelTvis iyo da aris. madloba maT, visac ZaluZs iyos gulwrfeli da miukerZoebeli Semfasebeli!
– wigni, romelic gamorCeulad giyvarT?
– bevri wigni miyvars. bevris kiTxvas davbrunebivar ganmeorebiT. amitom Tavs Sevikaveb erTis dasaxelebisgan,
– rogor warmogidgeniaT momavali, sadac cxovreba mouwevT Tqvens SviliSvilebs?
– avsa da daulagebel droSi uwevT cxovreba Cvens Svilebs da SviliSvilebs. maT (patarebis) umwifar gonebas uWirs garkveva cudsa da kargs Soris. Cveni bavSvebi iZulebulni arian, CaerTon politikur vnebaTaRelvaSi da ufrosebis wabaZviT akeTon maTi asakisa da gonebisaTvis Seuferebeli gancxadebebi. samwuxarod, uwevT uyuron quCebsa Tu teleekranebze uRirsi adamianebis samarcxvino qcevebs. . . meocnebeba maTTvis Rirseul, samarTlian, zneobrivad amaRlebul sazogadoebaSi cxovreba, sadac srulad gamoavlenen sakuTar codnas da sadac Sesabamisad daafaseben. minda Cveni momavali Taoba qveynis keTildReobasa da sikeTeze iyos orientirebuli.
– roca istoriis samanebSi mogzaurobT, vis gacocxlebas isurvebdiT?
– saukeTeso winaprebi gvyavda qarTvelebs, saukeTeso istoriuli gmirebi. dRevandeli samwuxaro realobidan gamomdinare, daviT aRmaSenebels gavacocxlebdi.
– ras urCevdiT axalgazrdebs, rogor daakvalianebdiT maT?
– momwons da miyvars is sijiute, gulanTebuloba da damoukidebloba, rac axasiaTebs dRevandel axalgazrdobas. albaT rCevebs aqeT unda viRebdeT maTgan da mainc, visurvebdi, hqondeT meti ganaTleba, inteleqti, rom advilad ar moeqcnen sxvaTa gavlenis tyveobaSi da sworad, Rirseulad gadadgan nabijebi.
– Tavad ras hkiTxavT sakuTar Tavs da sxvebsac?
– sakuTar Tavs – rodemde unda iaro ase, dakarguliviT Cumad da kentad? sxvebs – rodis iqnebiT erTianni, erTmaneTis Tanamdgomni da samarTlianebi?
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