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saqarTveloSi mravalmxriv saintereso viTarebaa _ Cveni qveyana saparlamento modelze gadadis. axlovdeba TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebi. konstituciaSi cvlilebebis Setana ki dResac sakamaToa, mosaxleobis didi nawili mxars ar uWers maJoritaruli sistemis gauqmebas,
prezidentis arapirdapir arCevas, am da sxva sakiTxebze
sakuTari xedva gagviziara aWaris avtonomiuri
respublikis umaRlesi sabWos maJoritarma deputatma,
profesiuli kavSirebis aWaris respublikuri gaerTianebis Tavmjdomarem ilia verZaZem
_ batono ilia, kars mogvadga TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebi, ganxilvis stadiaSia konstituciaSi cvlilebebi. mainc romelia sadavo sakiTxi Tqveni TvalsazrisiT?
_ Zalian didi madloba am SekiTxvisTvis, marTlac mniSvnelovani sakiTxia dRes saqarTvelos konstitucia, masSi Sesatani cvlilebebis proeqti, romlis sajaro ganxilvac mimdinareobs. samwuxaroa, rom Cveni oponentebi mimarTaven araswor meTodebs da maTi mTavari mizania mosaxleobis SecdomaSi Seyvana. visurvebdi, Sesabamisi yofiliyo oponentebis pozicia da, pirvel rigSi, vgulisxmob imas, rom saqarTvelos uaxloes istoriaSi pirvelad xdeba, roca xelisufleba garantirebul mandatebs Tmobs da damerwmuneT, maJoritaruli wesiT arCeuli deputati, – es aris garantirebuli mandati nebismieri xelisuflebisTvis, radgan maJoritarul olqSi arCevnebis mogeba, praqtikulad, SeuZlebelia xelisuflebisadmi inerciiT Tu bunebrivad dadebiTad ganwyobili adamianebis aqtiurobis gareSe. amaze uaris Tqma ver gabeda da ver daTmo es xibli verc erTma wina xelisuflebam.
minda kargad gaigos mkiTxvelma: roca garantirebuli parlamentis naxevars Tmob, rac imas niSnavs, rom mas zeviT xuTi procentic ki sakmarisia imisaTvis, jamSi umravlesoba gqondes, amas danaxva, Rirseuli, konstruqciuli oponireba unda sxva sakiTxebTan dakavSirebiT. roca raRac Temaze msjelobas viwyebT, Cemi TvalsazrisiT, prioriteti unda iyos qveynisadmi, sakiTxisadmi interesi, masze unda iyos orientirebuli paeqroba da ara imaze, rom raRac populizmis gziT mosaxleoba SecdomaSi SeviyvanoT.
_ ras gulisxmobT?
_ mosaxleobisTvis imis Tqma, rom sxva partiisaTvis micemuli xma sxva partias eZleva, es cudi sicruea, metad araswori formulireba, radgan msoflios nebismier qveyanaSi aris faqti da amis gareSe arCevnebi ar arsebobs, rom sxva partiisTvis micemuli xma, Tu es xma im kanonis, im qveynis regulaciis mixedviT xvdeba raRac zRvars qvemoT, cxadia, midis sxva partiasTan da amaze aqcentireba im mizniT, rom mosaxleobaSi gamoiwvio SenTvis sasurveli negativi, rbilad rom vTqvaT, arakoreqtuli nabijia. swored amas vgulisxmob, pirvel rigSi.
vTqvaT, ar aris barieri. roca barieri kanoniT ar dgindeba, iq bunebrivi barieris Tema muSaobs.
_ ras niSnavs – bunebrivi barieri?
_ pirobiTad, Tu sakanonmdeblo organoSi aris asi mandati, maSin bunebrivi barieri niSnavs erT procents anu yvela erTi procenti erTi mandatis fasia. vTqvaT, amomrCevelTa raodenoba aTi milionia, maSin aTi milioni rom gavyoT Sesabamis procentze, miviRebT raRac raodenobis xmebs (100 aTasi xma), rac, savaraudod, unda akmayofilebdes im asi mandatidan erTi mandatisTvis saWiro xmaTa raodenobas.
_ anu ambobT, rom sul rom ar davadginoT procentuli barieri, bunebrivi barieri mainc moicavs ramdenime xmas?
_ Tu partia ver daagrovebs xmaTa saWiro raodenobas, misTvis micemuli xmebi gadava sxva partiis sasargeblod imitom, rom amas iTvaliswinebs, zemoTac vTqvi, nebismieri demokratiuli saxelmwifos nebismieri kanoni. aq ukve midis saubari, Semdeg etapze rogori SeiZleba iyos es zRvari – bunebrivi, Tu dawesebuli barieri. Tu xelisuflebaSi myofi pirovnebebi irCeven raRac konkretuls, es maTi arCevania, isini arian xelisuflebaSi, am SemTxvevaSi Cveni politikuri gundi Cvens winadadebas vdebT, amas vasabuTebT, Tan es ar aris iseTi winadadeba, romelic TiTqos saswaulia da arsad arsebobdes.
_ razec Tqveni oponentebi amaxvileben yuradRebas, ara?
_ diax, ar minda Tanamdebobis pirebi da gvarebi CamovTvalo, zogadad, oponentebi, ase vityvi, laparakoben, sxvisTvis micemuli xmao… ai, es formulireba aris Zalian cudi, arakoreqtuli, amis axsnas Sevecade, es gaxlavT Cveulebrivi momenti.
_ batono ilia, mosaxleobis didi nawili mxars ar uWers parlamentisa da aWaris avtonomiuri respublikis umaRlesi sabWos arCevnebSi maJoritaruli sistemis gauqmebas…
_ maJoritaruli arCevnebis dros ikargeba xmebis naxevari, rac niSnavs, rom gamarjvebulia adamiani, romelic miiRebs ormocdaaT procents plus erT xmas, realurad, Cven mandats vaZlevT pirovnebas, romelmac miiRo ormocdaaTs plus erTi xma, Tundac samocdaaTi procenti, e.i. warmoidgineT, ramodena tyuilia, SecdomaSi Seyvanis rogori viTarebaa, roca TiTqos panikuri foni iqmneba da raRac isteriulad apelireben sxvisTvis micemul xmebze. es asea, amas ver auvli gverds, ai, amis axsna mindoda, rogor ewinaaRmdegeba maTi poziciebi am or SemTxvevaSi erTmaneTs.
_ axla gadavideT Semdeg etapze, rasac bonusebis sistema hqvia…
_ aqac aris didi tyuili da mosaxleobis SecdomaSi Seyvanis mcdeloba. ras niSnavs bonusebis sistema? imas, rom proporciulad gadanawilebis SemTxvevaSi miviRebdiT raRac proporcias. amis nacvlad gamarjvebuls bonusis saxiT eZleva umciresTaTvis gankuTvnili xmebi. es, aseve, Cveulebrivi normaa da evropis zogierT qveyanaSi es meTodi gamoiyeneba. esec igive politikuri gundis nebaa, romelic xelisuflebaSia. is debs am variants da ambobs: vimsjeloT amaze, ki, batono! gavigebT erTis azrs, meoris, organizaciebis… maincdamainc is oponenti partiebi, visac TviTmiznad aqvT dasaxuli, rom unda gedavon da nebismieri sakiTxi cudad warmouCinon sazogadoebas, yiJinas stexen.
_ Cans, gadasanawilebeli mandatebi, proporciuli gadanawilebiTac ki, umeteswilad, uwevs pirvel adgilze gasul partias, asea?
_ es gaxlavT nebismieri formiT Tu TanmimdevrobiT ganawilebis SemTxvevaSic da proporciulad ganawilebiTac. e. i. bonusi aris ara mTlianad xmebis raodenoba, romelic rCeba, aramed am xmebis raodenobas gamoklebuli proporciulad pirvel adgilze gasuli partiisTvis mikuTvnebuli xmebis raodenoba, rac realurad mokrZalebuli cifria, SeiZleba iyos sami, xuTi, Svidi, maqsimum aTi mandati, daaxloebiT am raodenobazea saubari, rac samocdacamet gauqmebul samaJoritaro olqTan SedarebiT mizeruli cifria. ai, esaa simarTle da ara is, razec sicruis manqana CarTulia da midis xalxis SecdomaSi Seyvana.
_ Semdegi sakvanZo sakiTxi prezidentis arCevaa, arapirdapiri wesiT prezidentis arCeva xom ar iwvevs demokratiis dakninebas?
_ prezidentis Tema Zalian martivi gaxlavT.
_ martivi ra TvalsazrisiT?
_ Cven unda avarCioT da prioriteti ganvsazRvroT – ra qveyana gvinda. am sakiTxze orma xelisuflebam imsjela, xom? es aris 2012 wlamde dawyebuli procesi. mogexsenebaT, iyo wamowyeba saparlamento mowyobis mxriv, Cveni xelisufleba am mimarTulebas eTanxmeba da agrZelebs imas, rac SeiZleboda mainc gakeTebuliyo da ver moeswro. normalur qveyanaSi pasuxismgeblianma xelisuflebam rac unda gaakeTos, isaa, rom unda gamoikveTos saxelmwifoSi realurad vis aqvs uflebebi da vis ra saxis legitimacia unda hqondes.
roca saparlamento qveyana gaqvs, roca legitimacia parlamentzea, roca xalxi irCevs parlaments da parlamentSi gamarjvebuli gundi asaxelebs premiers, romelic pirveli piria qveyanaSi, am SemTxvevaSi prezidenti, romlis funqciebi aseve kanoniTaa gawerili, ar saWiroebs im legitimaciis dasturs, rasac pirdapiri arCevnebi hqvia. es iwvevs damatebiT gaugebrobebs, rac qveynis uaxles istoriaSi, kargad gvaxsovs, gvqonda da did uxerxulobasac qmnida. amitom arapirdapiri gziT prezidentis arCeva aranairad ar akninebs am instituts, misi funqciebis Sesabamisia es arCevnebi. SeiZleba pirdapirac avirCioT, magram im moculobis, im ekonomikis qveynisaTvis, rogoric saqarTveloa, es damatebiTi sirTuleebi saWiro ar aris, miT umetes, roca arafriT knindeba arCevnebis formiT, realurad, im uflebis matarebeli institutis avtoriteti. ai, es aris, Cemi TvalsazrisiT, is mTavari momentebi am proeqtSi, romelSic, rogorc Sevecade amexsna, pirdapiraa CarTuli sicruis meqanizmi da mosaxleobis SecdomaSi Seyvanis mcdeloba.
_ da mainc, ra jobia, sajarod da pirdapir avirCioT prezidenti, Tu – ara?
_ adamians, romelsac arc evaleba profesionali iuristi da konstitucionalisti iyos, pirvelad, logikurad es mosazreba gauCndeba, es bunebrivia da amaze TamaSoben. vityvi, rom Sesabamisobaa dasacavi, realobas ar unda movwydeT da yvelaferSi cudi ar unda davinaxoT.
_ aseve, erT-erTi mniSvnelovani sakiTxia, uflebrivi TvalsazrisiT, ocdameTormete muxli, ras iTvaliswinebs igi?
_ am muxlis meore Tavidan es uflebebi, proeqtis mixedviT, gadatanilia pirvel TavSi. rigi eqspertebi Tvlian, rom es raRacnairad Seasustebs adamianebis poziciebs sakuTari uflebebis dacvis gzaze, Tumca, ase ar aris, zogadad, konstitucia gveubneba, rom Cven yovelTvis SegviZlia sakuTari uflebebis dacva, miT umetes, arsebobs sxva specialuri kanonebi, romlebisTvisac unda vizrunoT, unda davxvewoT da romlebmac unda daareguliros esa Tu is sfero. Canawers Tu davukvirdebiT, socialuri mimarTulebiT, axal redaqciaSi ufro meti garantiebi devs, vidre Zvel CanawerebSi, sadac formulireba zogadia – Seuwyos xeli. Seuwyos xeli niSnavs, rom SemiZlia gamovuSva, vTqvaT, gazeTi, sadac informacias ganvaTavseb, es ukve niSnavs dasaqmebis xelSewyobas. CvenTvis, profkavSirisTvis es ufro sensitiuri Temaa da minda sworad iyos gagebuli.
aseve, oTxmocdameToTxmete muxlzec aris saubari, romelic socialisturi mimarTulebis politikuri organizaciebisTvis mniSvnelovania da, samwuxarod, amazec ar amaxvileben saTanado yuradRebas, magram Cemi xedviT, sworia, rom msgavsi momenti ar iyos konstituciaSi. igi wina xelisuflebam albaT im gaTvliT Cado, rom mewarmeebs damatebiTi berketebi mudmivad hqonodaT xelSi, rac, vfiqrob, arasworia. xelisuflebas unda hqondes saSualeba, sagadasaxado sistemiT areguliros sakuTari qveynis ekonomika, es berketi mas ar unda SevuzRudoT, ai, amas iTvaliswinebs oTxmocdameToTxmete muxli da konstituciaSi ar unda iyos, ase vTqvaT, CaduRabebuli es momenti.
ra Tqma unda, es ar niSnavs, xelaRebiT, yovel wuTSi cvalo sagadasaxado sistema, magram xelisuflebas unda hqondes SesaZlebloba, ekonomikis ganviTarebasTan erTad, moaxerxos sagadasaxado sistemis diferencireba.
