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gasuli wlis miwuruls saqarTvelos parlamentis wevri eka beselia parlamentis iuridiul sakiTxTa komitetis Tavmjdomaris postidan gadadga. amis Sesaxeb gancxadeba man sagangebo brifingze gaakeTa. beseliasTan erTad Tanamdeboba datova iuridiuli komitetis Tavmjdomaris moadgilem vano zardiaSvilmac.
– dRes miviRe gancxadeba vano zardiaSilis gadadgomis Taobaze. iuridiuli komitetis Tavmjdomaris movaleobis Sesrulebas me ver davutovebdi am adamians. es gancxadeba miviRe dRes da amis Semdeg vakeTeb gancxadebas gadadgomis Taobaze. vitoveb imeds, rom iuridiuli komiteti, romelic Zalian mniSvnelovani komitetia, SearCevs da Semdeg parlamenti miiRebs gadawyvetilebas iseT kandidatze, romelic Tavmjdomare iqneba am komitetis, aseve daicavs principebs. iqneba Seuvali, samarTliani da faseulobebis damcveli, – ganacxada eka beseliam.
deputatma Tanamdebobis datovebis mizezad uzenaes sasamarTloSi im mosamarTleTa uvadod gamwesebis mcdeloba daasaxela, romlebic saakaSvilis xelisuflebis dros gaxmaurebul, maT Soris misi Svilisa da Zmis saqmeebSi figurirebdnen. rac Seexeba vano zardiaSvils, mas opozicia sasamarTloze ganxorcielebul zewolaSi adanaSaulebs. saTqmelia isic, rom saprezidento arCevnebis pirveli turis Sedegebis gamocxadebisTanave `qarTul ocnebaSi~ sakadro politikis gadaxedvaze alaparakdnen. ufro metic, iTqva, rom eka beselia parlamentis Tavmjdomares irakli kobaxiZes Caanacvlebda, magram movlenebi, faqtia, sxvagvarad ganviTarda. sxvaTa Soris, eka beseliam Tanamdebobis datovebisTanave daaanonsa, rom Tu saWiro gaxdeboda, bevr rames saaSkaraoze gamoitanda, magram am etapze deputati saqarTveloSi ar aris da Sesabamisad, arc dumils arRvevs… eka beselias Semcvlelad ki anri oxanaSvili saxeldeba.
3 ianvars parlamentis fraqcia `qarTuli ocnebis~ biuros sxdoma gaimarTa, romelzec iuridiul sakiTxTa komitetidan gedevan fofxaZe gaiwvies. komitetSi ori axali wevri Seva – mamuka mdinaraZe da goga gulordava.
– fraqciis dRevandel sxdomaze Cemi saTqmeli vTqvi. partiis Tavmjdomaremac da fraqciis Tavmjdomaremac momces imis saSualeba, rom Cemi yvela argumenti gamomeTqva. dawyebuli konceptualuri sakiTxebidan, damTavrebuli proceduruli sakiTxebiT, Cemi saTqmeli vTqvi, Tumca am SemTxvevaSi `Seayare kedels cercvis~ mdgomareobaSi Camayenes. me Cemsas vlaparakobdi da iq kobaxiZe xmebs iTvlida, rom komitetidan Cemi gawveva uzrunveleyoT. ar mgonia, rom an kolegialurobis elferi hqondes an qveynis xvalindel dReze zrunvis elementebs Seicavdes es yvelaferi, – acxadebs gedevan fofxaZe da dasZens, – arCevnebis meore turSi Cven xalxs vTxoveT ndobis Zalian didi mandati, lamis davuCoqeT da vuTxariT, rom gvapatieT, xalxo, rac SegveSala, icodeT, rom axla am yvelafers wertili esmeba. amis mere xalxs CinCalaZe da es sia `SevteneT~. mgonia, rom aq politikuri pasuxismgebloba yvelasia. gedi fofxaZes gamoiwvev Tu ar gamoiwvev, vis Caabareb iuridiul komitets, eka beseliasTan rogor moiqcevi – es kidev politikuri niuansebia, romelic meore planze SeiZleba iyos gadasatani. mTavari aris qarTuli marTlmsajuleba ar CauvardeT uRirs adamianebs xelSi…
eka beselias da gedevan fofxaZis Tanamdebobebidan wasvlas parlamentis Tavmjdomare irakli kobaxiZe mosamarTleebis uvado gamwesebis sakiTxs ar ukavSirebs da acxadebs, rom msgavsi gancxadebebi aris an informaciis arqonis Sedegi, an politikuri spekulacia. misive TqmiT, gedevan fofxaZis iuridiuli komitetidan gawvevas ori mizezi hqonda: `erTi iyo reglamentis uxeSi darRveva da yvela kvalificiuri iuristi Tanxmdeba imaze, rom reglamentis uxeSi darRveviT iyo igi arCeuli komitetis Tavmjdomaris pirveli moadgilis postze. meore sakiTxi aris gunduroba. gundSi iyo gansaxilveli es sakiTxi. am ori mizeziT miviReT gadawyvetileba. reglamentis Tanaxmad, ar arsebobs instancia, romelic daadgens komitetSi Tavmjdomaris pirveli moadgilis arCevis legitimurobas, aqedan gamomdinare, es xarvezi unda gamoesworebina fraqcias~.
umravlesobis pozicias ar iziarebs mmarTveli gundis wevri levan gogiCaiSvili.
– ar vfiqrob, rom gedevan fofxaZis sakiTxi iyo proceduris darRveva. es ukavSirdeba imas, rom Cven ar gvsurs, saakaSvil-adeiSvilis mosamarTleebi vixiloT uvadod uzenaes sasamarTloSi. es gadawyvetileba aris wyalgamyofi im adamianebs Soris, visac undaT, rom murusiZe, CinCalaZe, adeiSvil-saakaSvilis jalaTebi ixilon mosamarTleebad da visac ar undaT, rom es adamianebi iq ixilon. ase dgas sakiTxi. axla Cven rac unda vityuoT Tavi da rac unda viZaxoT, rom es procedurebis darRveviT moxda – ar moxda, – ganacxada gogiCaiSvilma. misive TqmiT, cxadi iyo, rom iuridiuli komiteti aRniSnuli mosamarTleebis sakiTxs Caagdebda.
– Tqven icodiT, rom iuridiuli komiteti am sakiTxs Caagdebda da Sesabamisad, iuridiulma komitetma parlamenti ar daayena uxerxulobis winaSe. rac unda gadaadgilebebi gaakeToT, am parlamentSi, me Rrmad var darwmunebuli, saakaSvilis da adeiSvilis jalaTi mosamarTleebi uzenaesi sasamarTlos mosamarTleebi ver gaxdebian. CinCalaZes, murusiZes, jalaT mosamarTleebs, romlebmac uamravi adamianis cxovreba daRupes, es parlamenti ver airCevs. es parlamenti aris 2012 wlis pirveli oqtombris memkvidreoba. am parlamentSi es sia ar unda gavides. rodesac dadgindeba kriteriumebi, am kriteriumebma unda imoqmedos saapelacio sasamarTlozec, – ganacxada gogiCaiSvilma.
SegaxsenebT, fraqciis sxdoma `qarTuli ocnebis~ ofisSi Catarda da mas partiis lideri biZina ivaniSvilic eswreboda.
`evropuli saqarTvelos~ wevrma oTar kaxiZem `qarTul ocnebaSi~ mimdinare procesebi Sida klanur dapirispirebad Seafasa.
– ori sakiTxia CvenTvis sruliad naTeli. erTi – mosamarTleTa sia SeTanxmebuli iyo ivaniSvilTan. Sesabamisad, uzenaes sasamarTloSi CinCalaZis uvadod gamweseba aris ivaniSvilis survili da Tu vinmes umravlesobidan amasTan dakavSirebiT rame protesti aqvs, es protesti biZina ivaniSvilis misamarTiT unda daafiqsiros. Tumca ver bedaven imitom, rom realurad maT es Tema ar aRelvebT. maT aRelvebT Sida klanuri urTierTobebis garkveva. rac Seexeba qalbaton beselias, igi ivaniSvilis surviliT gauSves Tanamdebobidan. sazogadoebas SemogvasaRes, TiTqos raRac principuli poziciebis gamo datova man Tanamdeboba. es ase ar aris, – acxadebs oTar kaxiZe.
rogor ganviTardeba movlenebi mmarTvel gundSi, uaxloes momavalSi gavigebT. dRes ki eka beselias gadadgomisa da gedevan fofxaZis komitetidan gamowvevis Taobaze Cvens SekiTxvebs politologi aslan lorTqifaniZe pasuxobs.
– batono aslan, saprezidento arCevnebis pirveli turis Semdeg kuluarebidan informacia gamovida, rom `qarTul ocnebaSi~ wmenda daiwyeboda, rac partiis lidermac daadastura mogvianebiT. ras unda mivaweroT eka beselias komitetis Tavmjdomaris postidan gadadgoma? beseliaTi daiwyes `ocnebaSi~ daanonsebuli wmenda?
– politikur partiaSi sakadro cvlilebebTan dakavSirebiT mmarTveli partiis Tavmjdomaris winasaarCevno dapireba ar ukavSirdeba eka beselias komitetis Tavmjdomareobidan wasvlas. parlamentis Tavmjdomarem agvistoSi mas vice-spikerad gadasvla SesTavaza, rac savaraudod SeTanxmebuli iyo biZina ivaniSvilTan, magram uari miiRo. eka beselia `ocnebis~ e.w. Zveli gvardiis gamorCeuli wevri, mebrZoli adamiania. mas didi wvlili miuZRvis avtoritaruli reJimis damarcxebaSi. eka politikosia da misi Tanamdebobidan wasvla mosamarTleebis saqmes daukavSira. es bma politikosisTvis momgebiani politikuri svla iyo. `mosamarTleebis TemasTan~ dakavSirebiT sazogadoebis umravlesobis azri beselias mosazrebebs emTxveva.
— `evropuli saqarTvelos~ wevri oTar kaxiZe acxadebs, rom `qarTul ocnebaSi~ ar ainteresebT mosamarTleTa daniSvnis sakiTxi da sinamdvileSi, es aris Sida klanuri dapirispireba. ramdenad realuria opoziciis warmomadgenlis es mosazreba?
– samwuxarod, mmarTvel partiaSi xSiria uTanxmoebebi, dapirispirebebi, romelic scildeba gansxvavebuli mosazrebebis farglebs, rac azianebs qveyanas. misi gamomwvevi mizezi gaxlavT is, rom politikuri partia ver Camoyalibda rogorc saerTo ideologiaze dafuZnebuli politikosebis erToba. mmarTveli partia ver iqca aRmasrulebeli da sakanonmdeblo organoebis kadrebis samWedlod (piriqiT ufroa). saparlamento sia partiam registraciamde ramdenime dRiT adre, forsmaJorul reJimSi Seadgina. ramdenime maJoritari ki gamocxadebis Semdeg Secvala. amgvarma midgomam gamoiwvia is, rom saparlamento umravlesoba ideologiurad gansxvavebuli adamianebisgan Sedgeba. 50-mde iseTi deputatia, romlis saparlamento saqmianoba xelis awev-daweviT Semoifargleba da maT ara marto kanonproeqtis inicirebis kompetencia ar aqvT da ar SeswevT unari oponentebTan polemikis, aramed ubralod, sworad metyvelebis unaric ki ar gaaCniaT. mosamarTleebis daniSvnis sakiTxi umravlesobis wevrebis uTanxmoebas aRrmavebs. am siis mxardaWera nebismieri politikosisTvis `politikuri suicidis~ tolfasi qmedeba iqneba, oRond ara umravlesobis im wevrebis nawilisTvis, romelTa funqcia parlamentSi mxolod Rilakis miTiTebebis Sesabamisad gamoyenebaa da ar arian politikosebi.
– iyo Tu ara mosamarTleebis sia biZina ivaniSvilTan SeTanxmebuli? da kidev, ratom ver eleva xelisufleba saakaSvilis droindel mosamarTleebs?
– ar maqvs informacia, iyo Tu ara ivaniSvilTan es sia SeTanxmebuli, Tumca iusticiis sabWo parlamentSi sias mxolod sakuTari iniciativiT ar waradgenda da mas hyavs sayrdeni saparlamento umravlesobis nawilSi. CinCalaZe-miqautaZe-murusiZis e.w. mosamarTleTa korpusi, romelic saakaSvil-adeiSvilis represiuli manqanis nawilia da asrulebda prokuraturis notariusis funqciebs, rogorc minimum, unda iyos daTxovnili sasamarTlo sistemidan, maTi nawili ki gasamarTlebuli. ar maqvs pasuxi kiTxvaze, Tu ra naxes am moralisgan daclil adamianebSi iseTi, rom ver elevian. rogorc Cans, maT Zalas da resurss sasamarTlo xelisuflebaSi angariSs uweven. isini is mosamarTleebi iqnebian, romlebic xelisuflebis cvlilebis Semdeg moqmedi xelisuflebis wevrebis nawils ganaCenebs gamoutanen. es maT unda icodnen.
– eka beseliam posti, ase vTqvaT, gedevan fofxaZes gadaabara, Tumca es ukanaskneli umravlesobisTvis miuRebeli aRmoCnda… ratom?
– gedevan fofxaZe komitetis Tavmjdomaris pirvel moadgiled SearCies komitetis wevrebma, xmebis umravlesobiT. Tumca am sakadro gadawyvetilebasTan dakavSirebiT saparlamento umravlesobas gadawyvetileba ar miuRia, ris gamoc mmarTvelma fraqciam gaiwvia iuridiul sakiTxTa komitetidan. fraqcias amis ufleba hqonda.
– levan gogiCaiSvilis TqmiT, gedevan fofxaZis gamowvevis sakiTxi ukavSirdeba imas, rom maT ar surT saakaSvil-adeiSvilis mosamarTleebi ixilon uzenaes sasamarTloSi uvadod. ratom ar aris erTi pozicia umravlesobaSi mosamarTleebis TemasTan dakavSirebiT?
– gogiCaiSvilic am sakiTxs ukavSirebs mosamarTleebis Temas. parlamentma misi ganxilva fofxaZis arCevamde SeaCera, rac iyo swori politikuri nabiji. winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi, es gamoiwvevda saparlamento umravlesobis rRvevas. am sakiTxze azrTa sxvadasxvaoba umravlesobaSi ukavSirdeba am ukanasknelTa ekleqtikuri xasiaTis erTobas. saparlamento umravlesoba SeiZleba 2 kategoriis adamianebadac davyoT: isini, vinc ebrZodnen saakaSvilis avtoritarul politikur reJims da am brZolaSi xSirad sicocxlesac ki debdnen sasworze da meore kategoria deputatebis, romelTa nawili `nacmoZraobidan~ `ocnebaSi~ daportirda, nawilma ki – 2012 wlis Semdeg, mzamzareulad, brZolis gareSe miiRo sadeputato mandati. umravlesobis am or Semadgenlobas Soris winaaRmdegoba ukavSirdeba saakaSvilis reJimis droindeli kadrebis mimarT gansxvavebul damokidebulebebs.
– parlamentis Tavmjdomare reglamentis uxeS darRvevasa da gundurobaze akeTebs aqcents. e.w. Zvelebs axlebiT Caanacvlebs ivaniSvili?
– saerTo ideologiis matarebeli kadrebi partiaSi `jadosnuri joxis dakvriT~ ver gaCndebian. isini unda `moixarSon~ partiuli muSaobis procesSi. Tu ase ar moxdeba, rogori rotaciac ar unda ganxorcieldes, Sedegi msgavsi iqneba.
Pპ.ს gavrcelebuli informaciiT, eka beselias korufciul garigebebSic adanaSauleben. amboben imasac, rom deputats daawinaureben. ise, politikaSi gamoricxuli araferia…