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maiko turabeliZe qarTul literaturasa da JurnalistikaSi sapatio adgils imkvidrebs. igi italielebis rZalia. SarSan aWaris mTianeTs gaecno. uzomodaa Seyvarebuli saqarTvelosa da mis TiToeul kuTxeze, rac saubarSic gamoCnda.
_ qalbatono maiko, yvela Tavisi bedis mWedelia, magram mainc. . . quTaisidan siciliaSi rogor aRmoCndiT?
_ ar vfiqrob, rom adamians bedis gamoWedva SeuZlia. absoluturad veTanxmebi gamoTqmas: `sadac aris bedi Seni, iq migiyvans fexi Seni~. italiaSi gaTxoveba arasodes mifiqria, miT umetes, siciliaSi. es verc ki warmomedgina. vinmes rom eTqva, am nabijs gadadgamo, albaT, gulianad gavicinebdi, magram. . . gadavdgi, TiTqos raRac zebunebrivi Zalis manipulirebiT. momavali meuRle quTaisSi gavicani. is aq avtoqarxanaSi samuSaod iyo Camosuli, me italiur enas vaswavlidi agronomiul institutSi. Ees ena bavSvobidan miyvarda. universiteti rogorc ki davamTavre, misi Seswavla daviwye da saocreba _ 12 gakveTilis Semdeg sufTad daviwye saubari.Yyvelafers miaRwev, roca mondomebuli da Sromismoyvare xar. Cemi cxovrebis yvela etapi erTmaneTidan gamomdinareobs da, ra Tqma unda, sakuTari bedis mWedelic ver iqnebi, roca asea. italiuri enis mcodneebi 90-ian wlebSi Zalian cotani iyvnen, amitom Cemi da momavali meuRlis gzebic erTmaneTs sul male Seeyara. rogorc giTxariT, verc ki warmovidgendi, rom colad ucxoels gavyvebodi, radgan samSobloze suliT xorcamde Seyvarebuli adamiani var (erovnuli moZraobis aqtiuri wevri, dRemde Cemi qveynis msaxuri), magram erTmaneTi Segviyvarda da davqorwindiT. igi Zalian kargi adamiania – keTilSobili, yuradRebiT savse, ganaTlebuli, Cemi damfasebeli da ratom ar unda Semyvareboda?! jvari quTaisis wminda petre-pavles eklesiaSi mama giorgim (gabuniam) dagvwera. meuRle im dRes marTlmadidebladac moinaTla. quTaisSi unda gvecxovra. saqme ise wavida, rom italiaSi gadavediT, Tumca saqarTveloSi xSirad CamovdivarT da garkveul periodsac vatarebT aq.
_ xom ar cdilobT, sicilieli meuRle saqarTveloSi cxovrebaze daiyolioT?
_ amis droc dadgeba. ramdenime weliwadSi vapirebT saqarTveloSi gadmosvlas. Tu dRemde iqidan CamovdiodiT, male aqedan CavalT _ meuRlis dapirebaa aseTi. vnaxoT. . .
_ Svilebis damokidebuleba saqarTvelosadmi?
_ maT saqarTvelo Zalian uyvarT. isini Tavisuflad weren, kiTxuloben da saubroben qarTulad. orive quTaisis wminda nikolozis eklesiaSia monaTluli. siamovnebiT Camodian aq da monawileoben qarTul cxovrebaSi.
_ didi aRiareba mogitanaT italiuri nawarmoebebis Targmnam. . .
_ vTargmni italiur literaturas rogorc didebisTvis, ise patarebisTvis da vTanamSromlob qarTul literaturul Jurnal-gazeTebTan (`dila~, `pepela~, `axali saunje~. . .). Jurnal `ciskris~ redkolegiis wevri gaxlavarT da `sabavSvo karuselTan~ xelSekuleba maqvs dadebuli. aqtiurad vTanamSromlob sagamomcemlo saxl `sagasTan~, romlis direqtoria araCveulebrivi qalbatoni Tamar naWyebia. masTan erTad gamoveci Cemi oTxi Targmani: mxatvruli literaturidan _ daCa marainis moTxrobebis krebuli `Cemi qmari~, vitaliano brankatis romani `lamazi antonio~, aleqsandre hmines romani `gasaRebi rZeSi~ da samecniero literaturidan _ mario vales friad mniSvnelovani wigni `montesoris pedagogika da axali teqnologiebi~. mxatvruli literaturidan aRsaniSnavia `lamazi antonio~ _ me vityodi, italiuri literaturis Sedevri, romlis mixedviT filmic aris gadaRebuli klaudia kardinalesa da marCelo mastroianis monawileobiT. wigni sxvadasxva Temas moicavs: fsiqologiurs, religiurs, politikurs. . . yvelas vurCev mis wakiTxvas. wignis Targmani daafinansa italiis sagareo saqmeTa saministrom da, aseve, daCa marainis moTxrobaTa krebuli – `Cemi qmari~, xolo aleqsandre hmines romani `gasaRebi rZeSi~ Sveicariis sagareo saqmeTa saministrom. aqve vityvi, rom arc erTi es mwerali saqarTveloSi cnobili ar iyo. maTi Semoqmedeba pirvelad me Semovitane.
_ rogorc pedagogi, rogor afasebT axal wigns `montesoris pedagogika da axali teqnologiebi~?
– Zalian kargi wignia, mniSvnelovani momavali `cifruli TaobisTvis~. misi wardgena male gaimarTeba quTaisis sajaro biblioTekasa da goris saxelmwifo universitetSi. wignSi saubaria montesoris pedagogikis mixedviT, rogori mimarTuleba SeiZleba mivceT axal teqnologiebs, xazgasmulia maTi sworad gamoyenebis mniSvneloba. misi gamocema daafinansa evropis samecniero publikaciebis samdivnom, igi yuradsaRebi iqneba pedagogiuri fakultetebisTvis, saerTod, pedagogebisTvis. mixaria, rom wilad mxvda iseTi wignis Targmna, romelic daafiqrebs da gaaerTianebs pedagogebs (Tu, ra Tqma unda, ganaTlebis sistema amas moindomebs).
_ SarSan SuaxevSi dafuZnebuli saerTaSoriso literaturuli festivalis `ze-karTan~ monawile iyaviT. es festivali da aWaraSi mcxovrebi adamianebi ra adgils daiWeren Tqvens SemoqmedebaSi?
_ am festivalma didi da waruSleli STabeWdileba damitova. uamravi kargi adamiani gavicani, davmegobrdi da mTiani aWaris eniT auwereli bunebiTac movixible. rom ara es festivali, am SesaniSnav adgilebs ver vnaxavdi. qeds vixri misi organizatoris, baton vaxtang beriZis winaSe _ iSviaTi adamiania, patrioti, Tavis kuTxeSi literaturisa da, saerTod, ganaTlebis ganviTarebisTvis ase rom ibrZvis. gavecani baton tariel futkaraZis ojaxs, davaTvaliere misi saxl-muzeumi. mokled, moxibluli var da madloba minda gadavuxado mTian aWaras SesaniSnavi stumarTmoyvareobisTvis.
_ sabavSvo JurnalebSi dabeWdili zRaprebi da moTxrobebi Tqveni ilustrirebulia. rodis daiwyeT es saqmianoba?
_ simarTle giTxraT, wera da ilustrireba Cemi pedagogiuri saqmianobidan gamomdinare, sul miwevda da miyvarda, magram axla sxva saxe da mimarTuleba mieca am yvelafers. maSin skolaSi vmuSaobdi, axla Jurnal-gazeTebTan vTanamSromlob.
_ pirovnebebi, romlebmac Tqveni Semoqmedebis gzaze Rirseuli kvali datoves. . .
_ aseTi araerTia: ojaxis wevrebidan dawyebuli, pedagogebiTa da kolegebiT damTavrebuli.
_ sayvareli fraza an gamoTqma.
_ sayvarelze metad, gasaTvaliswinebeli fraza: `arasodes Tqva arasodes~.
_ sxvis saqmeSi Tu ereviT?
_ Tu es Careva sikeTes moutans adamians, ratomac ara? kidevac Cavreulvar da. . . arc Cavreulvar, SemTxvevis mixedviT. . .
_ Worebs Tu usmenT?
_ Worsa da borot adamianebs ar vusmen, yuradRebis gareSe vtoveb. Mme Cems saqmes vakeTeb, maTTvis ar mcalia, arc arasodes mecala. SromiT dakavebuli mivuyvebodi yovelTvis Cems gzas.
_ tyuili Tu giTqvamT?
_ tyuilis Tqma saerTod ar miyvars, magram zogjer dgeba momenti, roca raRac unda moityuo, vinmes guli rom ar atkino. keTil tyuils veZaxi amas. arian adamianebi, romlebic tyuilebiT cxovroben, me maTTan urTierTobac ar SemiZlia, kavSirs vwyvet.
_ ramdenjer naxeT siciliaze vulkanis amofrqveva?
_ araerTxel. siciliaze gvaqvs evropis yvelaze maRali aqtiuri vulkani etna, romelmac Cemi didi interesi gamoiwvia da wignic ki davwere ymawvilebisTvis. esaa SemecnebiTi xasiaTis nawarmoebi, romelic male gamova. sxvaTa Soris, saqarTveloSi Camovitane vulkanis qvebi, romelic TvalsaCinoebisTvis quTaisis akaki wereTlis saxelmwifo universitetis muzeums, Suaxevis saxelovnebo skolas, sajaro skolebsa da kerZo pirebs gadaveci.
_ kraterSi Tu CasulxarT da. . . SiSi ufro mogZalebiaT Tu cnobismoyvareoba?
_ bevrjer, da araviTari SiSi ar mqonia. cnobismoyvareoba mklavda, ise mindoda yvelaferi Cemi TvaliT menaxa da Sevxebodi. miuxedavad imisa, rom araerTxel Cavedi Camqral kraterSi, kidev Cavidodi, kidev amovitandi gaciebul lavasa da wamoviRebdi Cems qveyanaSi. Zalian STambeWdavi da sainteresoa, iSviaTi gancdaa.
_ ra aqvT saerTo italielebsa da imerel qarTvelebs?
_ bevri ram. xasiaTiTa da garegnobiT Zalian hgvanan erTmaneTs. zogjer mereva kidec _ is kaci saqarTveloSi myavs nanaxi Tu italiaSi-meTqi? qcevebiTac didi msgavsebaa. saerTod, adamianuri Tvisebebi yvelagan erTnairia, miT umetes, italielebsa da qarTvelebs Soris.
_ Svilebis arCevanSi ramdenad ereviT?
_ Svilebi TviTon airCeven, roca dro dadgeba da Tavad iqnebian pasuximgebelni. me isini gavzarde, aRvzarde, rac SemeZlo, gavakeTe, danarCeni maTzea damokidebuli. me Cemsas vetyvi, ra Tqma unda, vurCev, magram saboloo gadawyvetilebas isini miiReben.
_ Cveni interviu gazafxulis dResaswaulebis win Sedga. rogoria maiko turabeliZis, rogorc dedis roli cxovrebaSi?
_ dedis roli, iseve rogorc meuRlisa da Svilis, CemTvis erT-erTi mTavari Sesasrulebelia. arasodes amiridebia Tavi misTvis, ar miRalatia, piriqiT, Cemi piradi cxovreba gverdze gadamidvia da mTeli dro da energia damiTmia ojaxisTvis.