გოდე გორგილაძის ,,საბა” და ამბავი ,,რიო-დე-ჟანეიროს ხელმწიფეზე”
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miaCnia, rom gulwrfelobaa is mTavari „iaraRi“, riTac moipoveb adamianebis, am SemTxvevaSi, mkiTxvelis ndobas. Tvlis, rom yvela warmateba, romelic cxovrebaSi modis, did sixarulTan erTad, pasuxismgeblobac aris da erTgvari tvirTic, romelic unda SeZlo da Rirseulad ataro. gazeT `aWaris~ stumari literaturuli premia `sabas~ mflobeli gode gorgilaZea – baTumeli axalgazrda saintereso xedviTa da miznebiT.
– axlaxan Tqveni wigni `rio-de-Janeiros xelmwife~ literaturuli premiis mflobeli gaxda nominaciaSi -mkiTxvelis `saba~. ra SegrZneba dageuflaT, roca gamarjvebulad gamogacxades?
– roca Jiuris wevrebma Cemi saxeli da gvari gamoacxades, pirveli SegrZneba, rac dameufla, SiSi iyo. ufro konkretulad, SiSi scenaze asvlis da amdeni xalxis winaSe saubris… es, cota xumrobiT. rac Seexeba mTel am ambavs, ubednieresi var. mainteresebs kidec, es sixarulis SegrZneba rodis gamineldeba, an gamineldeba Tu ara saerTod. CemTvis `sabas~ premia didi pativia. rodesac xedav, rom mkiTxvelis Jiuri Sens nawarmoebs asaxelebs saukeTesod, giCndeba garkveuli pasuxismgeblobis gancdac.
– mogviyeviT wignze, mis mTavar saTqmelze…
– rac Seexeba Cems wigns, erTi daskvna gamovitane – Zalian Zneli yofila sakuTar wignze da mis saTqmelze saubari, magram vecdebi, mokled Camovayalibo ZiriTadi xazebi. pirvel rigSi, es aris moTxrobebis krebuli. wigni Svid moTxrobas aerTianebs, romelic dawerilia 2019 wlidan, mas Semdeg, rac studenti gavxdi da TbilisSi gadavedi sacxovreblad. uecrad aRmovCndi saxlisgan, ojaxisgan Sors da Cem winaSe sruliad axali samyaro gadaiSala. swored am axal samyaroSi daviwye ambebis, personaJebis Segroveba da maTze wera. magaliTad, erT-erT moTxrobaSi `nu xmaurobT, Tqve maimunebo!~ mTavari personaJi moxuci qalia, romelic realurad cxovrobda Cemi da Cemi megobrebis binis qveda sarTulze da sruliad umizezod gviCioda xmaurze. rac Seexeba wignis mTavar saTqmels, namdvilad gamiWirdeba amis konkretulad gamoyofa. imis Tqma SemiZlia, rom moTxrobebis personaJebi, ZiriTadad, axalgazrdebi, maT Soris, studentebi arian da maTi yofiTi ambebi Tu yoveldRiuri problemebia gadmocemuli.
– rogor daiwyo da ganviTarda mwerlobasTan Tqveni kavSiri?
– kiTxvis siyvaruliT. maxsovs, bavSvobaSi o’henris moTxrobebi wavikiTxe da imxela STabeWdileba moaxdina Cemze, rom mominda, wera damewyo. raRac periodi, bavSvobaSi sul vwerdi, Tumca am gadmosaxedidan, ra Tqma unda, es bavSvuri, naivuri Canawerebi iyo. pirveli `seriozuli~ Sexeba mwerlobasTan iyo literaturuli konkursebi. 2020 wels monawileoba miviRe studentur literaturul konkursSi `Semodgomis legenda~, sadac Cemma moTxrobam `avtobusi N37~ gaimarjva. Semdeg, 2021 wels, rodesac Tbilisi wignis msoflio dedaqalaqi gaxda, kvlav Catarda studenturi literaturuli konkursi, sadac pirveli adgili moipova Cemma moTxrobam `didi da mcire wre~, aseve, saqarTvelos bankis rCeulic gaxda. literaturul konkursebs aqvs rogorc uaryofiTi, ise dadebiTi mxareebic. Cems SemTxvevaSi, mxolod dadebiTi roli iTamaSa, ufro meti Tavdajereba Semmata. sabolood ki 2022 wels gamomcemloba `inteleqtma~ dabeWda Cemi moTxrobebis krebuli `rio-de-Janeiros xelmwife~ da ukve rogorc wignis avtori, ise aRmovCndi literaturul samyaroSi.
– ra SeiZleba gaxdes werisas TqvenTvis inspiraciis wyaro?
– Zalian bevri ram, SeiZleba, erTi SexedviT umniSvnelo ramec ki. mTavaria, masSi daviWiro raime saintereso, iseTi, rac CemSi emociebs gamoiwvevs. Tumca, inspiracia bevria, dReSi SeiZleba Zalian bevrma ramem miiqcios Cemi yuradReba, magram Semdeg ismis mTavari kiTxva, ra Rirs dasawerad da ra – ara? aq erTgvar filtrs viyeneb, Tuki ambavi, personaJi, momenti Tavs ar manebebs, didi xniT TavSi mitrialebs, vxvdebi, rom unda davwero da erTgvarad ganvTavisuflde…
– weris procesi hgavs…
– erTgvar TamaSs, Zalian azartulia. miyvebi fiqrebs, sityvebs, winadadebebs, qmni personaJebs, raRac momentSi Senc gainteresebs, sadamde migiyvans es yvelaferi. sanam klaviaturamde mival, pirvel rigSi, TavSi vwer… didxans vfiqrob personaJebze, siuJetur xazebze. yvelaze metad siarulis procesSi valageb am yvelafers. Semdeg mivdivar klaviaturasTan da viwyeb weras. weris dros ufro da ufro Sedixar azartSi, Tan erTobi, Tan wvalob, iWedebi, eZeb gamosavals. es procesi Zalian paradoqsulia, rogorc sasiamovno, aseve, damRlelic…
– literaturis miRma…
– 2022 wels davamTavre Tbilisis saxelmwifo universitetis iuridiuli fakulteti. profesiiT iuristi var. amJamad vmuSaob saqarTvelis axalgazrda iuristTa asociaciaSi, adamianis uflebaTa programaSi. minda saerTaSoriso samarTlis Seswavla, aqtiurad veZeb samagistro programebsa da dafinansebebs. msurs, momaval wels evropaSi daviwyo magistraturaSi swavla. iq xarisxiani ganaTlebis miRebis Semdeg ki, albaT, davbrundebi saqarTveloSi da ganvagrZob adamianis uflebebis dacvas Cems qveyanaSi.
– rogoria Tqveni wili baTumi da ra emociebs gaZlevT es qalaqi?
– baTumi CemTvis komfortis zonaa da am kuTxiT ar momwons. rodesac aq var, baTumze ver vwer, magram rogorc ki TbilisSi gadavedi sacxovreblad, Cemi pirveli moTxroba `uSuqoba~ swored baTumis monatrebam damawerina. am moTxrobaSi ori baTumeli studentis ambavia gadmocemuli, romlebsac Suqis fulis gadaxda daaviwydaT da… CauWres. isini cdiloben, baTumis suli gamoiZaxon, sanTliT finjanze miwerili asoebiT, rogorc es 90-ian wlebSi xdeboda xolme. baTumi CemTvis asocirdeba simSvidesTan da zRvis sunTan, aseve, ojaxTan da naTesavebTan, skolasTan. raRacnairi, saxlSi dabrunebis emociebi aqvs baTums CemTvis.
– ra aris TqvenTvis bedniereba?
– pirvel rigSi, rodesac sayvarel adamianebs vxedav janmrTels da bedniers. me raimes movuxerxeb Cems Tavs, momentebSi gavabedniereb kidec, magram amisTvis saWiroa sxvebis ubedurebas ar vxedavde.
– romel wignSi gadaxvidodiT cota xniT sacxovreblad da ratom?
– frenk baumis `ozis saocar jadoqarSi~. marTalia, gvian wavikiTxe, Tumca, am patara zRaparma Zalian kargi emociebi damitova. imitom gadavidodi, rom Zalian martivi da kargi samyaroa ucnauri arsebebiT, cxovelebiT, romlebic saubroben, gexmarebian… borotebas amarcxeb umartivesad da aba, sxva ra unda gindodes kacs cxovrebisgan?
– mkiTxvelis ndoba rom moipovo, saWiroa…
– iyo gulwrfeli. Tuki ecdebi, rom mkiTxveli moatyuo, gaipranWo, wero ise, rogorc ar SegiZlia, mis ndobas verasodes moipoveb. saerTod, ar unda ifiqro weris dros imaze, rom amas waikiTxaven, ar unda gyavdes aravin mxedvelobaSi am dros da iqnebi gulwrfeli. gulwrfeli teqstebi ki mkiTxvelis ndobas namdvilad daimsaxurebs. me ase mjera.
– romeli Janris musikas SeadarebdiT sakuTar Tavs?
– Zalian xSirad mecvleba ganwyoba da xasiaTi, amitom, albaT, yvela Janris musikasTan SemiZlia Tavis Sedareba. Cemi `fleilistic~ qaosuria – xan klasikuri musika, xan roki da xan kidev jazi.
– literaturis roli adamianebis cxovrebaSi…
– literatura adamianebs gveubneba, rom martoebi ar varT, rom SegviZlia davmarcxdeT, Secdomebic davuSvaT… literatura gviziarebs udides cxovrebiseul gamocdilebas da am yvelafers rom Tavi davaneboT, ubralod, gvaZlevs saSualebas, ganvitvirToT, movwydeT yoveldRiurobas da vicxovroT sxvagan, sxva samyaroSi, sxva cxovrebiT…
– niWi, romelic gsurT rom gqondeT?
– simReris niWi. kargad Sesrulebul karg musikas rom vusmen, raRacnairad mSurs am adamianebis, rom aqvT aseTi xma da aseTi emociebis gamowveva SeuZliaT msmenelSi.
– rogor warmogidgeniaT `rio-de-Janeiros xelmwifis~ mogzauroba rio-de-JaneiroSi TqvenTan erTad?
– Cems moTxrobaSi rio-de-Janeiros xelmwifed qristes qandakebas vgulisxmob. amitom, pirvel rigSi, am qandakebasTan mividodi da mis fonze erT karg selfs gadaviRebdi Cems wignTan erTad…
– wlebis Semdeg, minda Cemze Tqvan…
– ar maqvs ambicia, rom wlebis Semdeg Cemze raime Tqvan, mirCevnia, saerTod aravis vaxsovde, vidre uaryofiTad vaxsovde. Tuki maincdamainc raime unda iTqvas, erTi-ori kargi sityva mirCevnia, magaliTad aseTi: kargad werda, an – rogorc iuristi, bevr adamians daexmara.
– baTumSi rodis gaimarTeba Tqveni wignis wardgena da aqve gkiTxavT: rodis velodoT Tqvens axal wigns?
– 4 agvistos baTumSi, eras moedanze, Cemi wignis gayidva moewyo gamomcemloba `inteleqtis~ programis `moizRvave wignebis~ farglebSi. uSualod prezentaciaze jerjerobiT, samwuxarod, ar maqvs informacia. rac Seexeba axal wigns, raRac-raRacebze vmuSaob, vwer, Tumca rodis miecema amas wignis saxe, ar vici.