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`tkivilis miuxedavad, survili imisa, rom gzis bolos gelis raRac Zalian mniSvnelovani, yvelaze Zlier tkivilsac ki gadagataninebs~ – es 29 wlis mweral ana barTaSvilis sityvebia. bevr tkivils gauZlo. miuxedavad imisa, rom igi SSm piria, cxovrebam ar gaaborota, mizani daisaxa, ibrZola da miaRwia kidec. ukve ori wignis avtoria da amayobs, rom misi cxovrebis mniSvnelovan dros sakuTari niWis warmoCenasa da saintereso saqmeebis keTebaSi xarjavs. sjera, rom yvelafris miuxedavad, cxovreba mSvenieria. bednieria sakuTari TaviT da sxvebsac stimuls aZlevs gamZleobiTa da keTilSobilebiT.
– rodis igrZeniT SemoqmedebiTi aRmafrena?
– rodesac raRac imaleba CvenSi, amas an bednierebisas vpoulobT an piriqiT, tkivilis dros. 17 wlisam im tkiviliT, rom raRac davkarge da amas ver da ar veguebodi (dRemde asea), gadavwyvite, swored is gamexada ukvdavi da misi istoria davwere. amiT aRmovaCine, rom SemiZlia, raRac saocrebis gakeTeba da es xalxsac unda gavuziaro.
– Tqveni cxovreba wignebamde da wignebis Semdeg. . .
– wignebamde iyo martooba. mxolod saxli da fiqrebi. . . mec mindoda skolaSi siaruli. Cemi moswavleobis periodSi skola ar iyo adaptirebuli, amitom sul saxlSi miwevda yofna. roca wignebi gamoCnda Cems cxovrebaSi, pirveli ki `hari poteri~ iyo, imdenad CamiTria misma istoriam, imdenad gavuge haris, rom aRfrTovanebas ver vmalavdi. swored, `hari poterma~ Semayvara kiTxva da 14 welia, Cemi cxovreba da wignebi erTi mTlianobaa. cudi is aris, rom bevri kargi wigni imdenad Zviria, ver vyidulob da xSirad miwevs uaris Tqma am bednierebaze. minda movuwodo mwerlebs, rom wignebi yvelasTvis xelmisawvdomi gaxadon, raTa ufro met mkiTxvels mianiWon siamovneba.
– Tqveni nawarmoebebis mTavari gmiri Tavad xarT Tu gamogonili personaJebia?
– rTuli saTqmelia, Cemi wignis gmirebidan vin aris namdvili da vin – gamogonili.
– vin aris Tqveni pirveli Semfasebeli?
– yovelTvis, roca romans an Canaxats bolo wertils davusvam, upirveles yovlisa, me vkiTxulob Tavidan bolomde, yvelaze gulwrfeli da obieqturi Semfasebeli ki Cemi Zmaa. SeqebasTan erTad, misi kritikac ki stimulis momcemia.
– ra aris wera TqvenTvis – realobidan gaqceva Tu ubralod, komfortis zona?
– CemTvis wera sulis harmonia da sakuTar mesTan dialogia. realobas ar gavurbivar, piriqiT, Cems bolo wignSi (`igrZeni, rom varsebob~) imdenad mwared miweria simarTle, rom mec ki gavocdi. rac Seexeba komfortis zonas, vfiqrob, ubralod, bednieri var weris dros. SeiZleba, viRacisTvis es aris komfortis zona, CemTvis ki cxovreba da sulieri simSvidea.
– xSirad axsenebT, rom brZola giyvarT da ar geSiniaT. cxovrebaSi bevri `omi~ gadaitaneT?
– Cemi yoveldRiuri cxovreba brZolaa. RonisZiebaze, treningze, koncertze, fexburTze moxvedrac ki brZolis fasad mixdeba, radgan dRemde ar aris adaptirebuli transporti, garemo. . .
– Tqveni pirveli wigni `siyvarulis zRapari~, protestia imaze, Tu ratom ar SeiZleba SeuyvardeT gansxvavebuli SesaZleblobebis mqone qali. . .
– Cemi pirveli romani bevrisTvis saintereso aRmoCnda. giyvardes odnav gansxvavebuli adamiani, miT umetes, maSin, roca saqarTveloSi amaze Zalian cota adamiani saubrobda, namdvilad iyo gasaocari ara marto mkiTxvelisTvis, aramed bevri Cemi axloblisTvisac. dResac uWirT imis aRqma, rom SSm pirebsac iseve gviyvardeba, rogorc yvelas. vTvli, rom yvela adamiani aris raRaciT gansxvavebuli. janmrTeli adamianebi Tu qmnian ojaxebs da hyavT Svilebi, ratom ar SeiZleba etliT mosargeble gogonasac hyavdes ojaxi, meuRle, Svilebi?
am kiTxvas isev mkiTxvels vusvam.
– `martod darCenis tkivili mklavda~- es Tqveni sityvebia. xSirad grZnobT Tavs martosulad?
– vfiqrob, martooba yvela adamianis sasjelia. swored rom sasjelia, rodesac ver naxulob megobrebs, axlo naTesavebs imitom, rom garemo ar giwyobs xels. Tavs xSirad vgrZnob marto, Tumca, xandaxan esec kargia, radgan maSin vxvdebi, vin aris namdvili megobari, Cemi namdvili gulSematkivari.
– `me var patara qali am did brZolaSi. Cems iaraRad kalami avirCie da vxvdebi, rom male melanic gamiTavdeba~. . . ras gulisxmobT amaSi?
– rogorc mwerals, mWirdeba ganviTareba, siaruli poeziisa da nebismier literaturul saRamoze, magram swored zemoT aRniSnuli mizezebis da kidev bevri sxva dabrkolebis gamo, am yvelafers ver vaxerxeb. sulieri melnis naklebobas vgrZnob.
– ra Seavsebs am danakliss?
– pasuxi martivia – mwerlebma unda gaiTvaliswinon, rom nebismieri SSm piri, romelic leqsebs an romanebs wers, maTi Tanasworia. organizaciebi da maRaziebi, romlebic iwveven mwerals sxvadasxva saRamoze, garemos ar aqceven yuradRebas. SeiZleba me gavigo konkretuli RonisZiebis Sesaxeb, mivide, magram SenobaSi ver Sevide. mivmarTav imaT, romlebic kulturul RonisZiebebs gegmaven – SeqmeniT yvelasTvis xelmisawvdomi garemo.
– xSirad axsenebT, rom etliT mosargeble pirebisTvis ar aris adaptirebuli garemo, rac problemebs giqmniT. rogor gesaxebaT am problemis mogvarebis gzebi?
– adaptirebuli garemosTvis SSm pirebi da Cveni mSoblebi didi xania vibrZviT, magram am brZolaSi Cven gverdiT aravin dgas. teqnologiurad ganviTarebul pirobebSi gamosavlis povna Zalian martivia, oRond yvela adamianma unda gamoTqvas protesti socialuri qselebis meSveobiT da gamogvicxados solidaroba. dRes es yvelaze ioli gzaa, aseve, sakuTari pozicia daafiqsiron sazogadoebriv Sekrebebze, rom mivides xma daniSnulebis adgilamde. amgvari qmedeba bevr rames Secvlis SSm pirebisTvis.
– ambobT, rom TqvenTvis gulwrfeli urTierToba mniSvnelovania. ramdenad xedavT amas sxvebis mxridan?
– gulwrfeloba nebismieri urTierTobis sayrdenia. me mxolod gulwrfel yuradRebas, zrunvasa da saubars viTxov. samwuxarod, Cems cxovrebaSi iseTi adamiani, romelTanac gulwrfeli urTierToba maqvs, Zalian cotaa.
– ra gwyinT da ra gaxarebT?
– mwyins, roca vgrZnob, rom vinmes vecodebi. bolo dros, am Secodebas axlobel adamianebSic vxedav, rac gulsatkenia. sixaruls gulwrfeli Caxuteba, erTi xelis Cakideba, an erTi yvavilis Cuqeba mgvris, oRond es ar unda iyos valdebulebis da sibralulis gamoxatuleba.
– ras etyodiT im adamianebs, romlebic ar arian Tqvennairad sulierad Zlierni da uWirT problemebTan gamklaveba?
– cxovreba aravisTvis aris ioli, arc vardebiTaa mofenili is gzebi, romelic win eliT, magram ar unda danebdnen. bevrjer wavqceulvar, bevrjer mtkenia, magram arasdros davnebebulvar. yovelTvis eZebeT gza, rom gamoxatoT Tqveni azri.
– ras unda elodos Tqvengan mkiTxveli uaxloes momavalSi?
– mkiTxvels vumzadeb kidev erT romans, romlis wakiTxvis drosac gaocdebian da nostalgiasac igrZnoben. vfiqrob, Rirs lodini.