“ახალი, სამართლიანი პოლიტიკური დღის წესრიგი სჭირდება ამ ქვეყანას”
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gza evrokavSirsa da natosken rom warmatebuli qveynis xvedria, baltiispireTis qveynebis magaliTmac cxadyo. es saxelmwifoebi demokratiasa da ekonomikur keTildReobas ganasaxiereben, adamianis uflebebs zedmiwevniT icaven da stabiluri politikuri garemoTi gamoirCevian. swored amgvar Sedegebs iTxovs dasavleTi saqarTvelosgan. evrokavSiris 9 daTqmis Sesruleba am mxrivaa sayuradRebo. rogorc cnobilia, opozicia da mmarTveli partia zemoaRniSnul dasavlur moTxovnebTan dakavSirebiT gansxvavebul mosazrebebs axmovaneben. opoziciis TqmiT, xelisufleba arCevnebis gayalbebisTvis emzadeba, Tavis mxriv, mmarTveli gundi aRniSnavs, rom arCevnebi civilurad warimarTeba. Cndeba kiTxvebi – ramdenad angariSgasawevi Zala iqneba opozicia, mosalodnelia Tu ara koaliciuri mTavrobis Seqmna, ratom aprotestebs opoziciuri speqtri kanonproeqts `ucxouri gavlenis gamWvirvalobis Sesaxeb~? am sakiTxebze gvesaubreba politikuri partia `axalis~ aWaris organizaciis erT-erTi lideri giorgi kirTaZe.
– vidre qveyanaSi ganviTarebul movlenebze visaubrebdeT, Tqveni partiis Seqmnis mizans SevexoT. . .
– uaxloes momavalSi gaimarTeba partiis yriloba. rogorc mogexsenebaT, Cvens partias hqvia `axali~, romlis saarCevno nomeria 4. arCevnebamde didi xniT adre saarCevno nomris miReba mniSvnelovania. partiaSi arian gamocdili adamianebi, romlebic, adre da axlac, politikur procesebSi aqtiurad arian CarTulni. aseve, partiaSi gawevrianebulia mravali axalgazrda, axali saxe, warmatebuli adamianebi, romlebic xedaven aucileblobas, rom politikur procesebSi iyvnen CarTulni. sazogadoebam icis, rom `nacionalur moZraobaSi~ aRmoCndnen adamianebi, romlebic ara mxolod `qarTul ocnebaSi~, aramed sakuTar partiaSic ar eguebian korufcias da araswori gadawyvetilebebis miRebas. samwuxarod, zemoaRniSnul partiaSi mxolod viwro jgufi iRebs gadawyvetilebebs, gansxvavebuli azri idevneba, amis bevri magaliTi iyo, maT Soris – baTumis sakrebulos siebidan xalxis amoyra da a. S. amitom gviwevs principuli poziciis dafiqsireba. mixaria, rom politikur saqmianobas vagrZeleb im adamianebTan erTad, visTvisac principebia mTavari.
– prezentaciaze iTqva, rom partia axal ideebs SesTavazebs mosaxleobas. . .
– axali, samarTliani politikuri dRis wesrigi sWirdeba am qveyanas. evropa aris Cveni usafrTxoebis da keTildReobis garanti. oRond kargad unda gvesmodes – ra aris es, anu ras vgulisxmobT samarTlian, axal politikur dRis wesrigSi? amaSi igulisxmeba samarTliani marTlmsajuleba. CemTvis Zalian mniSvnelovani Temaa decentralizacia, anu mmarTvelobaSi moqalaqeTa aqtiuri CarTuloba, sxvagvarad rom vTqvaT, mosaxleobis azri gauTvaliswinebelia, metic, adgilobrivi TviTmmarTveloba katastroful donezea. gaxsovT, 2021 wlis adgilobriv arCevnebze, roca premier-ministri gamodioda da ambobda, rom im qalaqebs, sadac airCeven opoziciur mers, ar eqnebodaT biujeti?! aseTi midgoma unda damTavrdes!
– dReisaTvis saqarTvelos masStabiT ramdeni adamiania gawevrianebuli am partiaSi?
– partia `axalSi~ rom uamravi adamiania gaerTianebuli, amas yvelani vxedavT. realurad, es aris partia, romelsac hyavs gamorCeuli liderebi, romlebic patriotizmTan erTad kompetenciiTac gamoirCevian. aseve, aRsaniSnavia, rom am partias ukve hyavs Tavisi warmomadgenloba saqarTvelos yvela qalaqSi, raionsa da sofelSi.
– mogexsenebaT, qveyanaSi mravali partiaa, rogor Sexvdnen isini, maT Soris `nacmoZraoba~, Tqveni partiis Seqmnas?
– `nacmoZraobisTvis~ da aseve, `qarTuli ocnebisTvis~ Cveni partiis Seqmna arasaxarbielo iyo. es Cans maT gancxadebebSi. rac Seexeba sxva politikur partiebs, marTalia, aris konkurencia, Tumca mgonia, prodasavlur partiebSi iazreben imas, rom axla swored erTobis droa, Cven unda SevZloT mniSvnelovan sakiTxebSi swori koordinacia da Sedegis miRweva. amis naTeli magaliTi iyo baTumSi 2021 wlis arCevnebze, roca opoziciam SeZlo swori koordinacia. `qarTuli ocneba~ damarcxda am arCevnebSi, sxva ambavia, rom amis SenarCuneba Cven ver SevZeliT. . .
– mmarTveli partiis wevrebi acxadeben, rom partia `axali~ `nacmoZraobis~ danamatia da xmas arCevnebSi maT waarTmevso, ras fiqrobT?
– Cven aviRebT arCevnebSi im adamianebis xmebs, vinc Tvlis, rom politikuri korufcia miuRebelia, qveyanaSi samarTliani politikuri dRis wesrigi gvWirdeba. aseve, aucilebelia marTlmsajulebis reforma, decentralizacia, anu gadawyvetilebebis miRebaSi moqalaqeTa CarTulobis uzrunvelyofa.
– am ramdenime xnis winaT mixeil saakaSvilma ganacxada, rom `nacmoZraobis~ klonireba uSedego iqneba. . .
– mixeil saakaSvili aris adamiani, romelmac Zalian bevri sikeTe gaakeTa am qveynisTvis – instituciebi Camoayaliba, rom qveyana dasavlur gzaze damdgariyo. istoria, Cemi azriT, ukve afasebs mis moRvaweobas dadebiTad. is calsaxad aris politikuri patimari da Cveni brZolis mTavari mizania, rom politikuri marTlmsajuleba dasruldes am qveyanaSi.
– axla, zogadad, saqarTveloSi ganviTarebul movlenebze visaubroT, Tqven ra aspeqtebs gamoyofdiT?
– xelisufleba rusuli kanonis miRebas apirebs, am mxriv Zalian martivadaa saqme. Cven bolo periodSi, maT Soris ukraineli xalxis brZolis xarjze (ra Tqma unda, warsulSi da axlac qarTvelTa Tavdadebis Sedegad), davuaxlovdiT evropas. rogorc Cans, aman Zalian gaaRiziana kremlSi ivaniSvilis kuratorebi da gadawyvitileba miiRes, rom saqarTvelo daSordes evropul ojaxs, anu kedeli aRimarTos saqarTvelosa da evrokavSirs Soris.
– mmarTveli partiis wevrebi acxadeben, rom opozicia dezinformacias avrcelebs zemoaRniSnul kanonTan mimarTebiT. . .
– axla isini milionobiT ganmartebas gaakeTeben. . . aSS-is saxelmwifo departamenti pirdapir ambobs, rom es aris rusuli kanoni da misi miReba did problemas Seuqmnis qveyanas evrointegraciis gzaze. pirdapir gveubnebian, rom am kanonis miRebis SemTxvevaSi ver gavwevriandebiT evrokavSirSi. sxvaTa Soris, imasac SegaxsenebT, rom irakli kobaxiZe da Salva papuaSvili swored dasavleTidan dafinansebul organizaciebSi muSaobdnen. gaumWvirvale Cveni mTavroba da meriaa, sadac informaciis aRebac Wirs, nebismieri arasamTavrobo organizacia deklaracias avsebs da yvelaferi sajaroa.
– mamuka mdinaraZem isic aRniSna, rom isini ar ebrZvian arasamTavroboebs, ubralod, moiTxoven, maTi saqmianoba iyos gamWvirvale. . .
– iqneb miTxran, ra ar aris gamWvirvale? `tv 25~ grants Tu aiRebs, Sesabamisad deklaracia ivseba da bardeba Sesatyvis uwyebebs. yvelaferi aris Zalian gamWvirvale.
– rogor mimdinareobs, Tqveni azriT, saarCevno procesi?
– umZimesad. biZina ivaniSvili yvelafers akeTebs, rom arCevnebic ki ar Catardes normalurad. misi mizania, qveyana moswyvitos dasavlur orbitas. amitom mniSvnelovania qarTveli xalxis konsolidacia, raTa daicvas qveynis prodasavluri kursi.
– SeZlebs Tu ara Tqveni partia, gaxdes mesame Zala?
– Tu arCevnebi normalur pirobebSi Catardeba, darwmunebuli var, rom mTavari opoziciuri Zala Cveni partia iqneba.
– rogor apirebT miumxrobeli amomrCevlis mimxrobas?
– cxadia, mniSvnelovania miumxrobeli amomrCevlis moyvana arCevnebze, gulwrfeloba aris mTavari, aseve – profesionalizmi da patriotizmi, mgonia, rom aseTi xalxis erToba aris Cvens partiaSi.
– sxva opoziciur partiebTan Tu apirebT saarCevno platformis Seqmnas?
– gamoricxuli araferia, SesaZlebelia kidev ufro gavfarTovdeT. jerjerobiT es aris nika melias da nika gvaramias gundebis erToba, Tumca Zalian bevr saintereso adamians unda CvenTan gaerTianeba, gakeTda Ria SeTavazeba…
– axla xSirad saubroben imaze, rom ucxoeTSi mcxovrebma qarTvelebma masobrivad unda miiRon arCevnebSi monawileoba. . .
– Zalian mniSvnelovani sakiTxia. saqarTvelos hyavs asiaTasobiT emigranti, magram maTi mcire nawili monawileobs arCevnebSi. amas bevri mizezi aqvs, mTavari problema aris xelmisawvdomobis anu saarCevno ubnebis arqona sxva qalaqebSi, amitom saarCevno ubnebis gaxsna mniSvnelovania. rTulia, emigrantma aseulobiT kilometri gaiaros arCevnebSi monawileobisTvis. am emigrantebis aqtivoba iqneba damRupveli mmarTveli gundisTvis. isini amas kargad xvdebian. . . yvela kargad xvdeba, rom amerikasa da evropaSi mcxovrebi qarTvelebi naklebad eqvemdebarebian zewolas mmarTveli partiisgan, rac imas niSnavs, rom `qarTuli ocneba~ damarcxdeba. Tu gadavxedavT arCevnebis Sedegebs, emigrantebis xmebis umravlesoba opoziciuria.
– premier-ministrma irakli kobaxiZem ganacxada, rom arCevnebSi mmarTveli partia xmebis 60 procents aiRebs. . .
– mgonia, mmarTveli partia mxolod Tavisi amomrCevlis SegulienebisTvis axmovanebs msgavs gancxadebebs. marTla hgonia kobaxiZes, rom quCaSi myofi aTi adamianidan 6 uWers mxars? rom davakvirdeT, qveyanaSi Zneli sanaxavia mmarTveli gundis mxardamWeri.
– unda velodoT Tu ara 2024 wlis arCevnebis Sedegad koaliciuri mTavrobis Seqmnas?
– darwmunebuli var, rom 2024 wlis arCevnebis Sedegebis gaTvaliswinebiT Camoyalibdeba koaliciuri mTavroba, rogorc centralur doneze, asave aWaris mTavrobaSic. rogorc cnobilia, aWaraSi saparlamento arCevnebis paralelurad umaRlesi sabWos arCevnebic gaimarTeba da darwmunebuli var, rom mTavroba koaliciuri iqneba.
– romeli partiebi gadalaxven saarCevno bariers?
– jer naadrevia amaze saubari, Tumca darwmunebuli var, rom mmarTveli partia umciresobaSi iqneba mandatebis raodenobiT.
– davuSvaT, opoziciam, saerTo jamSi, gaimarjva, pirvel rigSi, ra nabijebi unda gadadgas?
– rogorc aRvniSne, es unda iyos axali politikuri dRis wesrigis Semotana, samarTliani marTlmsajuleba, rasac sWirdeba institucionaluri reformebis gatareba, am mxriv mkafio nabijebia gadasadgmeli.
– dabolos, Tqveni azriT, rogori iqneba saqarTvelosTvis oqtombris arCevnebi da misi Sedegebis istoriuli mniSvneloba?
– es iqneba umniSvnelovanesi arCevnebi saqarTvelosTvis. xazgasasmelia is faqtori, rom mniSvnelovania winasaarCevno periodi. arCevnebi ar aris mxolod arCevnebis dRe, winasaarCevno periodi, praqtikulad, dawyebulia, Cven gavimarjvebT da sabolood Cvens bunebriv adgils vubrundebiT civilizebul samyaroSi, an rogorc 1921 wels, evropasTan didi kedeli aRimarTeba da davrCebiT rusul orbitaze. darwmunebuli var, rom yvelaferi kargad iqneba da saqarTvelo evroatlantikuri struqturebis sruluflebiani wevri gaxdeba.