მეა ივანისელი: ადამიანების სიყვარული შეაგროვეთ
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sxvisi tkivilis gaziareba, TviTgancda – es adamianis amqveynad movlinebis erT-erTi mniSvnelovani arsia, ase swams da am suliskveTebiT cxovrobs Rirseuli qalbatoni mea ivaniseli, warmatebuli mTargmneli da poeti. mis mier Targmnili leqsebi Sesulia rusuli poeziis anTologiaSi. mea xatavs kidec, ferebiTac gvesaubreba Tavis ganwyobaze. . . am saintereso qalbatons kargad icnoben baTumelebi, igi araerTi poeturi Tavyrilobis monawilea. . . dRes qalbatoni mea Cveni gazeTis stumaria.
– mea ivaniseli – saintereso Semoqmedi mravalmxrivi interesebiT, ras daamatebdiT am daxasiaTebas?
– albaT, dameTanxmebiT, Znelia sakuTar Tavze saubari, Tumca mainc vityvi rom CemTvis prioriteti adamianis Sinagani samyaroa, misi buneba, xasiaTi, urTierToba adamianebTan da gare samyarosTan. am niSniT vafaseb sakuTar Tavs da adamianebs. vfiqrob, met-naklebad vaxerxeb komunikacias maTTan, rac arcTu ise iolia da ase vinarCuneb wonasworobas, romelic Cemi simSvidis erTgvari garantia.
– awmyo warsulze dgas. eTanxmebiT am azrs? Tqveni pirveli urTierTobebi cxovrebaSi. . . .
– diax, geTanxmebiT, adamiani sakuTari warsulidan modis, im warsulidan, jer kidev mis dabadebamde rom arsebobda. pirveli urTierTobebi yvelaze axlobel adamianebTan gvaqvs, rac mniSvnelovan rols TamaSobs Cvens CamoyalibebaSi, gvaZlevs mimarTulebas, vipovoT sakuTari Tavi am samyaroSi.
– dabadebis dRe – fizikuri da sulieri, Tqveni transformacia dRemde. . .
– adamiani fizikuri sxeulisgan Sedgeba, Tumca fizikuri da sulieri samyaroebi uxilavi ZaliT aris erTmaneTTan dakavSirebuli. Tavad adamianis transformacia umeteswilad ukavSirdeba cxovrebiseul movlenebs. sixaruli, tkivili, gamarjveba, damarcxeba, sicocxle, sikvdili erTmaneTTan mWidrodaa dakavSirebuli, es monacvleoba qmnis adamianSi sulieri trasformaciis winapirobas. CemSi ki sulieri tranformacia sakuTari Tavis povnas ukavSirdeba.
– Tqven xarT poeti, mTargmneli. . . ukeT sad SeZeliT sakuTari SesaZleblobebis gansxeuleba?
– CemTvis poezia axali sarkmlis gamoRebis saukeTeso saSualebaa. poeziaSi Cans Cemi sulieri samyaro, TargmanSi ki Cemi individualizmi, amitom orive mniSvnelovania. Targmna CemTvis cocxali procesia, sadac poetis ganwyobis Zieba mniSvnelovan adgils ikavebs, ibadeba axali Targmani, TviTmyofadi da Cemeuli.
– gviambeT im ucxouri da qarTuli gamocemebis Sesaxeb, romlebSic Tqveni Semoqmedeba aris warmodgenili. . .
– Cemi leqsebi da miniaturebi dabeWdilia sxvadasxva krebulsa da JurnalSi, var 50 Tanamedrove poetis krebulis – `am saukunis foliantebis~ winasityvaobis avtori, erT-erTi poeturi krebulis redaqtori, aseve erT-erTi avtori TxzulebaTa krebulisa `sarkis miRma~, romelic 2018 wels gamoica. Cemi Targmanebi Sesulia sxvadasxva krebulSi, aseve, `rusuli poeziis anTologiaSi~.
– warmatebuli mTargmneli xarT. . .
– Cemi, rogorc mTargmnelis CamoyalibebaSi udidesi roli Seasrula literaturis mTargmnelTa asociaciis damfuZnebelma da prezidentma, batonma aleqsandre elerdaSvilma, romlis Rvawlis daviwyeba SeuZlebelia. misma gardacvalebam didi daRi daasva Tavad am jgufsa da mTargmnelebs.
– samyaros ferebiTac esaubrebiT, xatavT. . . ra datvirTva aqvs ferebs Tqvens cxovrebaSi?
– xatva CemTvis sakuTari SesaZleblobebis gamoxatulebaa, ferebiT emociebis gadmocemis saukeTeso saSualeba. Tumca is, rom vxatav, cota xmamaRali naTqvamia. ferebs Zalian didi mniSvneloba aqvs CemTvis, yvelaze metad TeTri feri miyvars, radgan is yvelaferSia, atarebs did energetikas da sufTa furclis msgavs asociacias iwvevs.
– rogor fiqrobT, adamianis Tavisufleba, gansakuTrebiT ki Semoqmedis, ramdenad arsebiTia sazogadoebis ganviTarebisaTvis?
– adamianis Sinagani Tavisufleba umniSvnelovanesia, radgan is aucileblad aisaxeba rogorc misi cxovrebis nebismier situaciaSi, aseve SemoqmedebaSic. Sumerebs aqvT Zalian kargad ganmartebuli Tavad Tavisuflebis arsi, Tavisufleba Cvens nebaze siaruls ki ara, sakuTari Tavis povnas, sakuTar TavTan dabrunebas niSnavs.
– aris saqarTvelo `vefxistyaosnis~ qveyana?. . vgavarT ki Cvens samSoblos?
– saqarTvelo `vefxistyaosnis~ Semqmnelis qveyanaa. `vefxistyaosnis~ mTavari Temebi – siyvaruli, megobroba, gmiroba dRes garkveulwilad gaufasurda. albaT, nel-nela vSordebiT im Rirebulebebs, romliTac arc ise Soreul warsulSi vgavdiT kidec Cvens samSoblos.
– am rTul droSi, kovidpandemiasTan erTad, aTasi ubedurebac ar gvaklia. sulieri da fizikuri sijansaRe rogor SevinarCunoT, ras unda gavumklavdeT, ra rCevas miscemdiT axalgazrdobas?
– Zalian rTul situaciaSi aRmovCndiT, kovidpandemiam Secvala samyaro, garkveulwilad Caketa da es Caketiloba, samwuxarod, adamianebis fsiqikazec aisaxa. aseT dros mTavaria, realobas Tvali gavusworoT da viswavloT am realobasTan erTad cxovreba. adamiani Tavad aris sakuTari emociis da saqcielis mmarTveli da yovelTvis moaxerxebs ukeTesobisken moabrunos arsebuli situacia.
– samoTxe da jojoxeTi – adamiani mudmivad fiqrobs amaze, aTeistebic ki. . . Tqven ras fiqrobT?
– samoTxe da jojoxeTi – es is Temaa, romelic saukuneebia aTas kiTxvas tovebs. . . Cemi azriT, samoTxec da jojoxeTic aqvea. xSirad is adamianis sulieri mdgomareobaa da ara – geografiuli adgili dedamiwaze. . .
– sxvisi tkivilis gaziareba, Tanaziaroba – es Cveni adamianobis Strix-kodia?
– sxvisi tkivilis gaziareba, Tanagancda – es adamianis amqveynad movlinebis erT-erTi mTavari, mniSvnelovani arsia, samwuxarod, adamianebis umravlesobam dakarga es unari.
– sikeTes vakeTebT, qvelmoqmedebas veweviT. mavanni amas televizebidan gvamcnoben da Souebs gvTavazoben. .. es viTom sikeTea?
– sikeTis gakeTebas Sedegi unda mohyvebodes, sikeTem unda Secvalos arsebuli mdgomareoba an konkretuli adamiani ukeTesobisken. mxolod sityvebi arafers cvlis, amitom is xSir SemTxvevaSi azrsac kargavs.
– `xandaxan xeebs ukeT esmiT adamianebis sevda~ – roca amas werdiT, inspiracia ra iyo. . . da, saerTod, Tqven da buneba. . .
– adamiani bunebis Svilia, is Tavs yvelaze kargad bunebasTan siaxlovis dros grZnobs. erTxel, roca Zalian gamiWirda sulierad, bunebaSi ganvmartovdi, saocari Sveba vigrZeni, irgvliv simwvane, balaxis surneli, xeebi, romlebic mdumared idgnen da Cems gulisTqmas usmendnen. . . CemTvis im dros xeebi gansxeuldnen.
– siyvaruli RmerTia. . . siyvaruli agvamaRlebs. . .es yvelam icis, magram mainc usiyvarulod da uRmerTod cxovrobs bevri. . .
– adamianma droTa ganmavlobaSi Tavad gaaubralova yvelaferi, rac mis suls da guls moicavs. is daSorda sakuTar Tavs da, Sesabamisad, RmerTsac. adamians xSirad aviwydeba, rom siyvarulisTvis, sikeTisTvis movida dedamiwaze da unda axsovdes, rom wamzomi CarTulia, unda movaswroT siyvarulis gacema, sikeTis keTeba.
– Tqveni gzavnili – mkiTxvels.
– adamianebis siyvaruli SeagroveT, radgan sxva yvelaferi miraJia mtvrisfer miwaze.
– adamiani ar `mTavrdeba~ dedamiwaze – es Tqveni da aramarto Tqveni azria. sikvdilis Semdeg sicocxle. . .
– sikvdilis mere sicocxle sxva araferia, Tu ara Cveni datovebuli sikeTe, siyvaruli, Semoqmedeba, saxeli, romelic kvlav gaagrZelebs sicocxles Cveni amqyveynidan wasvlis Semdeg.
– sainteresoa Tqveni TvaliT danaxuli baTumi, Tqveni STabeWdilebebi. ras usurvebT baTumelebs?
– baTumSi CemTvis Zvirfasi adamianebi cxovroben, amitom es qalaqi Zalian miyvars, igi erT-erTi ulamazesia, baTumelebs saukeTeso survilebs vusurveb.
– erTi naTargmni leqsi, anTologiis Semdgenlebs yvelaze metad rom moewonaT. . .
– es Targmani Sevida rusuli poeziis anTologiaSi da mec Zalian miyvars. esaa sergei eseninis
me Seni xilva sevdas mgvris sulSi,
ra tkivilia, da mrCeba dardad,
TiTberisferi tirifis garda,
seqtembris TveSi Cven ara dagvrCa.
sxvis tuCebs ergo ambori Seni
gafanta siTbo, TrTolva sxeulis,
TiTqos wvima cris Cemi sulidan –
usicocxlo da araCveuli.
arafers vdardob! ar meSinia.
sxva sixarulis gaixsna farda.
radgan ar darCa aRaraferi,
notiod xrwnadi siyviTlis garda.
Cemi Tavic ver Semovinaxe
mSvidi yofisTvis _ Rimilis mCeni.
ra cota aris gzebi ganvlili,
da ra bevria Secdoma Cemi.
sasaciloa yofnac, ar yofnac,
ase iqneba maradJams, vxvdebiT.
viT sasaflao, mokirwylul baRiT,
arynarSi mZimed CaSlili ZvlebiT.
ase davWknebiT da SevwyvetT xmaurs,
Cvenc, viT stumarni, wveulni baRis. . .
radgan yvavilni Sua zamTarSi
ar xarobs, maTze dardic ara Rirs.