მამუკა არეშიძე: მათი ძირითადი ამოცანა რუსეთის ეკონომიკის დანერგვა, მისი მაქსიმალური დასუსტებაა… ამას შეეწირება თუ არა უკრაინა, ეს მეორე საკითხია
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paradoqsul faqts aRniSnavs `aWarasTan~ eqskluzivSi politologi mamuka areSiZe, kerZod, ruseTs ukrainasTan omi ar aqvs gamocxadebuli, radgan am SemTxvevaSi, gazs ver gaatarebs ukrainis teritoriaze. misi TqmiT, uamravi ucnauri ambavi da SeTanxmeba trialebs am konfliqtSi CarTul politikur wreebSi, rac kadrs miRma rCeba da eqspertebi mxolod striqonebs Soris miniSnebebiT aanalizeben omis ZiriTad aspeqtebs.
– batono mamuka, Tu SeiZleba buCaSi datrialebuli tragediiT daviwyoT saubari.
– omi saerTod saSinelebaa, miT umetes, aseTi tipis, romelsac garkveulwilad, samoqalaqo omis xasiaTi aqvs. ori moZme eris brZolaSi, msgavs sisastikes aravin eloda. amazrzenia es yvelaferi da ar aqvs aranairi axsna, gamarTlebaze xom laparaki zedmetia. rac unda uaryon es danaSauli rusebma, aravin daijerebs. faqtia, rom ruseT-ukrainis omi ase formatSi gagrZeldeba, samwuxarod, mas dasasruli ar uCans.
– rogor SeafasebT stambolis molaparakebebs, romlis Semdeg kidev ufro mZime moqmedebebi daiwyo orive mxarem?
– iseTi STabeWdileba rCeba, rom es aris molaparakeba molaparakebisTvis. Zalian kargad ician mxareebma, im ZiriTad sakiTxebze, orives rom awuxebs, verafriT SeTanxmdebian. ar daTanxmdeba ruseTi ukrainis teritoriuli mTlianobis aRdgenas da arc ukraina wava teritoriebis daTmobaze. aqedan gamomdinare, dasavleTisTvis da msoflio sazogadoebriobisTvis, mniSvnelovania molaparakeba mimdinareobdes da mimdinareobs kidevac, Tumca realuri Sedegebis miRebis aravis sjera.
– rodemde unda gagrZeldes aseTi tipis molarakebebi?
– manam, sanam romelime mxare ar moipovebs samxedro upiratesobas. dResdReobiT, erTi mxare ver igebs, meore – ar agebs, es aris mocemuloba, formula.
– zelenskis ukve aumxedrdnen ukrainis `nacionalistebi,~ daabrales Ralati, rom gayida sakuTari armia.
– `gayidva~ mZime naTqvamia, magram isic faqtia, samxedroebs Sorisac aris ukmayofileba. zelenskim icis, ra tipis kuluaruli SeTanxmebebi aqvs dasavlel partniorebTan, rasac bunebrivia, `nacionalistebs~, jars da mosaxleobas ar eubneba. savaraudod, iq aris Zalian rTuli daTqmebi, risi Sedegicaa is, rac dRes xdeba ukrainaSi. garkveuli garantiebis gareSe, zelenski winaaRmdegobis gawevis uflebas Tavs ver miscemda. ara aqvs ukrainas iseTi samxedro potenciali, rom didxans gaeZlo ruseTisTvis. e.i. raRacaSi gaicvala, rac zelenskim icis da. . . dums. rac Seexeba `nacionalistebis~ da samxedroebis nawilis pozicias, vfiqrob, es aris politikosebisTvis damaxasiaTebeli kaprizuli midgoma, riTac xazs usvamen sakuTari arsebobis mniSvnelobas, Torem igive `nacionalistebi~ an sxva rom miuSva, ver miiReben iseT gadawyvetilebas, romelic mdgomareobas radikalurad Secvlis.
– zelenski araTu daTanxmda ruseTis mier sawyis etapze wayenebul ultimatums, aramed SesTavaza, `gayinon~ ruseTis mier aneqsirebuli yirimis statusi 15 wliT, samxedro moqmedebebi ki mainc grZeldeba. . .
– es yvelaferi naTqvamia – naTqvamisTvis. amiT zelenskim molaparakebebSi monawileobis demonstrireba moaxdina, Torem Zalian kargad ician mxareebma, rom arc erTi ar wava daTmobaze, rogorc ki zelenski teritoriis misxalsac daTmobs, ukrainelTa ukmayofileba da ajanyeba maSin naxeT. molaparakebebis procesi mxolod manevrireba da politikur procesebSi moqnili xazis gatarebis mcdelobaa.
– eqspertebis didi nawili elodeba meore msoflio omis Semdeg uprecedento SebrZolebas doneckSi, saiTac orive mxaris saukeTeso sajariso nawilebi miemarTeba. aqve isic iTqva, rom am brZolis bedi winaswar aris cnobili, radgan igebs is, vinc caSia gabatonebuli.
– rac Seexeba ruseTis mier caze erTpirovnul gabatonebas, ver dageTanxmeb-iT. ukrainas maRalteqnologiuri Sesabamisi qarxnebi gaaCnia, sadac haersawinaaRmdego sistemis Seqmna SeuZlia, Tuki Semoakldeba. swored amitom ver SeZlo ruseTma cis totalurad gakontroleba.
– es qarxnebi xom ukve ganadgurda?
– yvela – ara. Tanac, dabombvis Sesaxeb rom vismenT informacias, maincdamainc bombdamSeni aviacia aq ar igulisxmeba, ZiriTadad, saraketo Tavdasxmebi xdeba konkretuli obieqtebis ganadgurebis mizniT. ukrainelebi axla raketebis deficits uCivian, Torem sasroli danadgarebi aqvT. amitomac, mtris mogeriebas met-naklebad axerxeben imis miuxedavad, rom praqtikulad, amdeni qalaqi daengraT. naTlad Cans, rom rusebma swored amis gamo ver miaRwies strategiul upiratesobas. imitom gadaitanes aqcenti donecki-luganskis, xersonis da a.S. brZolebze, anu aRmosavleTidan samxreTi ibombeba. rac Seexeba doneckSi Zalebis mobilizacias, aqamde mimdinareobda sxvadasxva tipis brZola, rusebi gzebze gasvliT ibrZodnen, ukrainelebi ki patar-patara, lokaluri dartymebiT aferxebdnen rusebis winsvlas. msgavsi taqtika, romelic partizanul oms hgavs, Zalian efeqturi aRmoCnda am viTarebaSi, miT umetes, orientaciadakarguli mowinaaRmdegis mimarT, romelsac etyoba, siriaSi hgonia Tavi. Sesabamisad, prioritets is armia moipovebs, romelic ufro efeqturad da motivirebulad ibrZvis, anu ukrainelebis. axla orive mxare doneckSi miemarTeba, frontaluri brZolebisTvis aSkara mzadeba mimdinareobs. elodebian did- masStabian, e.w. sasangro oms, romlis drosac artilerias, aviacias da meomarTa suliskveTebas eniWeba prioriteti.
– amerikis SeerTebul Statebs ar awyobs omis am etapze dasruleba, rogorc Cans, awvdis iaraRs zelenskis.
– awvdis, rasakvirvelia, magram es iaraRi SeteviTi ar aris, Tavdasacavia. amerikis da didi britaneTis mier miwodebuli `javelinebiT~ da sxva iaraRiT, seriozulad ganadgurda ruseTis javSanteqnika. zelenskis, cxadia, imedi aqvs, rom saTanado iaraRs miawvdian.
– ra aris dasavleli partniorebis ZiriTadi amocana?
– maTi ZiriTadi amocana ruseTis ekonomikis dangreva, misi maqsimaluri dasusteba, daSla ki ara, dasustebaa da amas Seewireba Tu ara ukraina, es meore sakiTxia.
– evropis qveynebi ukve gamoTqvamen sakuTari sanqciebiTve gamowveuli gaZvirebebis gamo pretenzias.
– rac ufro gaiweleba dro, ufro garTuldeba cxovreba. gaeros generalurma mdivanma antonio gutereSma ganacxada, rom ukrainaSi omis gamo, msoflio masobrivi SimSilisa da sasursaTo krizisis safrTxis winaSe dgas. misive TqmiT, Tu omi kidev gagrZelda, msoflioSi, daaxloebiT miliard orasi milioni adamiani daiRupeba SimSilisgan.
– Tuki es ician, ratom arafers akeTeben omis SewyvetisTvis, piriqiT, aqezeben ukrainelebs?
– modiT, ase vTqvaT, vinc am omis ukan realurad dgas, sakuTar amocanas imdenad mniSvnelovnad miiCnevs, ra daZabulobac unda SeimCneodes dasavleTsa Tu ruseTSi, mainc bolomde wasvlas irCevs. arsebuli mdgomareobis Sesacvlelad, Zalian seriozuli saprotesto talRa unda agordes dasavleTSi. jerjerobiT, globaluri sazogadoebrivi SekveTa ar Cans, ufro saSualo da msxvili kompaniebi ayeneben pretenziebs, maT Soris, benzinis gaZvirebis Sesaxeb, romlis daregulirebasac, albaT, moaxerxeben.
– saqarTvelos teritoriaze `Savi xvrelis~ arsebobaze ras gvetyviT, romlis meSveobiTac Turme iaraRs vatarebT ruseTisTvis?
– vis raSi sWirdeba Cvengan miwodebuli iaraRi da saerTod, raime? viRacam Caiyara mikroCipebi jibeSi da gaitana sazRvarze. piradad CemTvis, seriozuli mtkicebulebebis gareSe, am braldebas araviTari datvirTva ar gaaCnia da Tu vinmem realurad gaitana ormagi daniSnulebis produqcia, romlis gamoyeneba iaraRis damzadebaSia SesaZlebeli, niSnavs Segnebul provokacias xelisuflebis diskreditaciis mizniT.
– vis moiazrebT provokatoris rolSi?
– an ruseTs an sxvas, ver getyviT, imitom rom saqarTvelos ar hyavs iaraRis komponentebis mwarmoebeli samezoblo, romelsac sWirdeba Cvens teritoriaze koridori adgilze Casatanad. am mikroCipebs ruseTi Rebulobda CineTidan, indoCineTidan, tailandidan da a.S. isev iqidan ufro martivi ar aris aviaciiT Tu saxmeleTo gziT amis Setana, vidre saqarTvelodan Treva? vinmem tailandis warmoebis mikroCipebis saqarTvelos gziT gatana moisurvao, es sufTa wylis provokaciaa.
– CineTi TiTqos Cumad aris, magram ruseTs rom uWers mxars, naTelia.
– uWers mxars, rasakvirvelia, radgan kargad ician pekinSi, rom es omi mimdinareobs ukrainis teritoriaze ruseTsa da dasavleTs Soris. mxareebis dasusteba ki CineTis interesebSia.
– aq ruseTsac gulisxmoT?
– ra Tqma unda, Tu ruseTi damarcxdeba, arc amaze dawydeba CineTs guli, radgan misTvis uaRresad mniSvnelovania Soreuli aRmosavleTis teritoriebi, dasustebuli ruseTi ki ufro iolad daTmobs miwebs. am sakiTxze nerCinskSi, jer kidev 1689 wels daido pirveli istoriuli xelSekruleba ruseTsa da CineTs Soris, romlis mixedviT, gavlebuli sazRvrebi, CineTisTvis wamgebiania da surs – gadaixedos. rogorc pekini Tvlis, ruseTma isargebla maSin CineTis sisustiT, moatyua da a.S.
– amis miuxedavad, CineTi gverdiT udgas ruseTs. ..
– es ar devs pekinis mier warmoebul politikaSi, Tumca pretenziebi rom arsebobs, cxadia. rogorc dRemde iaponelebi ver Tanxmdebian kuriliis kunZulebis daTmobas, iseve Cinelebic am xelSekrulebis pirobebs ar eTanxmebian, ruseTis dasustebis SemTxvevaSi ki Tamamad wamoayeneben sakiTxs. ki uWeren axla mxars moskovs, magram es ufro politikuri demarSia, vidre realuri survili.
– ramdenad SeZlebs ruseTi CineTTan erTad, dolaris batonobis Seryevas?
– Tqven warmoidgineT, Tavisuflad SeZlebs moklevadian perspeqtivaSi, iqneb garkveul warmatebasac miaRwios rubliT vaWrobaze, magram dolari imdenad fesvgadgmuli, dominanturi valutaa, rom mxolod ruseTi verafers daaklebs. CineTis mxardaWera aqac SezRudulia. pekins xels aZlevs, magaliTad, ruseTTan vaWrobis ienze gadayvana, magram danarCeni msofliosTvis igives ar cdilobs.
isic nu dagvaviwydeba, rom ruseTis mTeli sarezervo fondi inaxeba amerikaSi, rac am qveynis mniSvnelovani strategiuli Secdomaa. imitom gaeyina 600 miliardi dolari ruseTs, magram gamosavals garkveulwilad poulobs. yvela defolts eloda, magram moskovi mainc axerxebs valis gadaxdas.
aq paralelurad, finansur frontzec mimdinareobs seriozuli omi, romelsac ruseTi, jerjerobiT, ar agebs, ukan ixevs, magram damarcxebuli ar hqvia. savaraudod, didxans ver gaZlebs, radgan ekonomikurad isedac ver iyo myarad. ruseTis ekonomika dgas nedleulis gayidvaze. marTalia, mxolod ramdenime saxeobis produqtis ZiriTadi eqsportioria msoflioSi, magram am mocemulobasac saTanadod ver iyenebs. aviRoT, magaliTad, neonis gazi, romlis saerTo warmoebis 50% -iani wili aqvs. Zalian didi procenti iyo ukrainis xelSi. mariupolSi mzaddeboda zustad es gazi, romelic Zalian sWirdeba dasavleTis ekonomikas. axla is qarxana ganadgurebulia da ruseTs ufro momgebiani pozicia aqvs, Tumca verc aq ixeira. xelovnuri safironebic misia, romlis meSveobiTac `aifonebi~ keTdeba. aseve, warmoebisTvis Seucvleli produqtis – paladiumis da titanis mTavari sabadoebi ruseTSia.
mokled rom movxazoT, zogierT SemTxvevaSi, kremli ucnaurad iqceva, Tundac am produqciis dasavleTisTvis miwodebiT. anu, rac teleekranebze xdeba, ise ar aris saqme realurad. erT paradoqsul situaciasac getyviT, ruseTsa da ukrainas Soris omi ar aris gamocxadebuli, isini e.w. samxedro operaciis reJimSi moqmedeben, sapirispiro SemTxvevaSi, gazis transportireba ukrainis teritoriaze, unda Sewydes.