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am Tvis bolos saqarTvelos
warmatebuli adamianebis
dajildoebis ceremoniis
`persona – 2018~-is sazeimo gaxsnaa dagegmili
am DdRes 35 nominirebuli warmatebuli adamiani proeqtis mxardamWer mediasaSualebebis da arasamTavrobo organizaciebis warmomadgenlebs Sexvdeba, dajildoebis grandiozuli finali ki wlis bolos – 22 dekembers Catardeba, romelsac legendaruli simRerisa da cekvis ansambli `rusTavi~ gaxsnis.
Cven SevxvdiT wardgenilTagan erT-erTs, Cvens Tanaqalaqels, baTumis saswavlo akademiis profesors, logistikis eqsperts, CoxosanTa sazogadoebis wevrs Tengiz afxazavas, romelic regionSi ganaTlebis ganviTarebaSi Setanili wvlilisTvis miiRebs `persona 2018~-is tituls.
– batono Tengiz, Tqven Cveni gazeTis xSiri stumari brZandebiT, Tumc amjerad gansakuTrebul ampluaSi – rogorc `persona – 2018~. gilocavT am tituls da, Tu SeiZleba, gviambeT, romeli organizaciaa msgavsi SerCeva-dajildoebis Taosani?
– Tu ar vcdebi, es aris sazogadoebrivi organizacia, romelic 2012 wlidan iRebs saTaves, hyavs Tavisi bordi, mTeli saqarTvelos masStabiT arCevs adamianebs sxvadasxva dargobrivi mimarTulebiT, rogoricaa kultura, xelovneba, sporti, ganaTleba, medicina, ekonomika da a.S. da aniWebs wlis personis tituls. wels Zalian seriozuli xalxi SeirCa. maT Soris arian Tengiz arCvaZe, anzor erqomaiSvili, nukri kapanaZe, ramdenime eqimi da sxvebi. yvelas ver CamovTvli.
– Tqven ra reaqcia gqondaT?
– Zalian gamikvirda, rodesac damirekes da miTxres, rom SemarCies, rogorc regionSi ganaTlebis sferos ganviTarebisTvis moRvawe, praqtikulad, damidastures, rom es ukavSirdeba Cems moRvaweobas logistikaSi. Cven xom pirvelebma gavxseniT baTumis politeqnikur institutSi logistikis specialoba. minda giTxraT, rom Cemi saqmianobis bolo 20 weliwadi mTlianad ukavSirdeba am sferos.
– diax, maxsovs, erT-erTi pirveli gazeTi, romelSic daibeWda statia `ra aris logistika~, iyo `aWara~.
– mec maxsovs, sakmaod vrceli werili dawereT. rogorc xedavT, amdeni wlis Semdeg isev am Temaze gviwevs saubari.
– iqneb agvixsnaT, ratom maincdamainc Tqven agarCies – rogorc am specialobis popularizaciis moTave?
– saqme is gaxlavT, rom pirvelad saqarTveloSi, Cemi xelmZRvanelobiT, saqarTvelos teqnikuri universitetis baTumis politeqnikur institutSi momzadda sabakalavro da samagistro programebi logistikaSi. ukve 2000 wels specialobaze 48 adamiani swavlobda. am periodidan dawyebuli me da logistika `ganuyreli megobrebi~ gavxdiT. 2001-2003 wlebSi movxvdi aWaris samrewvelo-savaWro palatis konsalting-jgufSi, romelic exmareboda biznesmenebs da startaperebs, SeeqmnaT biznes-proeqtebi. igi finansdeboda saxelmwifo da saerTaSoriso finansuri instituciebidan. Cveni jgufis mier Sesrulebulma agrologistikurma proeqtebma miiRo msoflio bankis, USAID-is da saprezidento grantebi. 2005-2006 wlebSi aWaris mTavrobasTan Seiqmna `eqspertTa sabWo~, romlis SemadgenlobaSi mimiwvies rogorc logistikis eqsperti. sabWoSi SemuSavda 17-mde dargobrivi regionuli proeqti, aqedan sami proeqtis xelmZRvaneli me gaxldiT. 2008 wels saerTaSoriso aRiarebac movipove. evrokavSirma daafuZna konferencia EUKATI, romlis mizani iyo daxmareboda TRASECA-s proeqtSi monawile qveynebs logistikaSi saganmanaTleblo programebis momzadebaSi da maT saqarTvelos universitetebSi realizebaSi. Cveni qveynidan miwveul 3 eqsperts Soris mec gaxldiT. 2010-2011 welbSi gaeros ganviTarebis programis (UNDP) farglebSi movamzade treningebi logistikaSi sxvadasxva dargobrivi mimarTulebis bizneskompaniebisTvis. gadavamzade 40-ze meti TanamSromeli. 2011 wels, TanamoazreebTan erTad davafuZne arasamTavrobo organizacia `logistikis regionuli centri~, imave wels ki kompania `ST LOGISTICS~. gaeros ganviTarebis programam daafinansa Cveni organizebiT Catarebuli 2 saerTaSoriso samecniero-praqtikuli konferencia logistikaSi, sadac pirvelad warvadgineT `saqarTveloSi logistikuri klasterebis ganviTarebis programa~, `ekoteqnoparkis proeqti~, `qveynis inovaciuri ekonomikuri ganviTarebis programa 2030 wlamde~ da sxv.
– rogorc vici, samecniero naSromebic gaqvT am Temaze.
– diax, 2011-2012 wlebSi gamoica Cemi 3 sauniversiteto saxelmZRvanelo logistikaSi. 2013-2014 wlebSi mimiwvies logistikis da satransporto politikis eqspertad saqarTvelos ekonomikis saministros ssip `sazRvao transportis saagentoSi~, sadac analitikur samsaxurTan erTad movamzadeT `saqarTvelos satransporto-logistikuri sistemis ganviTarebis koncefcia~ da `saqarTvelos sazRvao-logistikuri klasterebis ganviTarebis programa~. 2013-2014 wlebSi sazogadoebrivi mauwyeblis aWaris televiziaSi finansdeboda Cemi saavtoro gadacema `ekonomikuri strategia~. Semdeg wlebSi aqtiurad vmonawileobdi msoflio forumSi `Ria inovaciebi~.
– sakmaod STambeWdavi biografiuli monacemebia. Tu SeiZleba, kidev erTxel gavixsenoT, ra xdeba am sferoSi da ratomaa logistika ase saWiro Cveni sazogadoebisaTvis?
– daviwyeb imiT, rac sayovelTaod aris cnobili – Tu Cven gvinda mivaRwioT e.w. sinergetikul efeqts, ekonomikaSi sami ZiriTadi mdgeneli unda gaviTvaliswinoT. esenia: marketingi (ekonomikuri mimarTuleba, romelic swavlobs mudmivad mzard moTxovnilebebs, gansakuTrebiT, ukve inovaciur produqtze moTxovnas); finansebi, romliTac unda dafinansdes inovaciuri teqnologiebi, raTa is mza, axali, produqcia, romelic mudmivad warmoiqmneba sazogadoebaSi da masze moTxovnaa, dakmayofildes; logistika – romelic nedleulis pirvelwyarosgan momxmareblamde miwodebis process swavlobs. ukve aRaravin kamaTobs imaze, rom es axali samecniero praqtikuli mimarTuleba sWirdeba nebismieri dargis specialists. Tqven warmoidgineT, eqimebs da xelovanebsac ki. es gaxlavT materialuri servisebis sainformacio da finansuri nakadebis marTva, rac niSnavs miwodebis sistemas, romelic sWirdeba yvelas.
– Tqven ase ambobT, magram bevrma arc ki icis am sityvis mniSvneloba, miuxedavad imisa, rom xSirad moixmars mas…
– diax, marTali xarT. dRes, Tanamdebobis pirebiT dawyebuli, rigiTi adamianebiT damTavrebuli, yvelas pirze akeria sityva `logistika~ sxvadasxva brunvaSi, Tumca amaTgan cotam Tu icis misi mniSvneloba. logistikis specialobis Sesaswavlad Cveni axalgazrdebi, ZiriTadad, ucxoeTSi miemgzavrebian. am bolo dros ukve wamovida iqidan axalgazrdebis nakadi, romelTac sadoqtoro xarisxebi logistikaSi aqvT daculi. am sferoSi pirveli mercxali iyo koba doborjginiZe. igi axla teqnikuri universitetis logistikis departaments xelmZRvanelobs. sxvaTa Soris, germaniaSi daicva xarisxi.
– ramdenad popularulia es mimarTuleba sazRvargareT?
– aSS-sa da evropaSi didi xania igi seriozul da mniSvnelovan samecniero-praqtikul mimarTulebad iTvleba. CvenTan – aWaraSi ki erTaderTia navigaciis saswavlo akademia, sadac seriozuli gundi vmuSaobT am kuTxiT. aq magistraturaSi iswavleba es specialoba satransporto logistikis saxelwodebiT. aris sazRvao akademiaSic, magram iq ufro konkretuli sazRvao-dargobrivi-satransporto mimarTulebebia.
– baTumis politeqnikuri instituti `gaqra~ da… TiTqos daikarga teqnikuri TvalsazrisiT raRac mniSvnelovani saganmanaTleblo sistema, ara?
– sruliad geTanxmebiT. Zalian vwuxvar, rom is Sroma da Rvawli, romelic Caido saqarTvelos teqnikuri universitetis baTumis politeqnikur institutSi, wyalSi Caiyara. sainJinro-teqnologiuri fakulteti aTasjer gadaakeTes, miuerTes saxelmwifo universitets, xolo satransporto-logistikis mimarTuleba, praqtikulad, gauqmda.
– logistikis praqtikuli gamoyenebac rom agexsnaT ufro konkretul magaliTze, iqneb meti gasaqani mieces am specialobas?
– kargi. daviwyoT imiT, rom Cven varT satranzito qveyana. ukve 7 miliardamde ideba anakliis portis mSeneblobaSi. Cveni gaTvlebiT, mTlian Sida produqtSi 7-8% iqneba transportis wili, kidev ufro meti – 12-13% – logistikis. 5-6 weliwadSi aq dasaqmdeba jamSi 200 aTasi adamiani da, Tqven warmoidgineT, Cvens regionSi es mimarTuleba kvdeba. erTaderTi adgili, sadac SemorCa, aris navigaciis umaRlesi saswavlebeli, sadac ukve moviwvieT ori axalgazrda. erTs – safrangeTSi, meores avstriaSi aqvT xarisxi daculi logistikaSi. mesames mowvevasac vapirebT. Zveli gvardiac gaverTiandiT da axla velodebiT akreditacias, romelsac, imedia, gavivliT. amis Semdeg Tavidan daviwyebT am specialobis aRorZinebas.
– politikidan ratom waxvediT?
– me arsaidan wavsulvar. var da davrCebi `qarTuli ocnebis~ gundis wevrad. ubralod, sakrebuloSi aRar var, magram Tu miviRe raime Rirseuli SemoTavazeba, romelic Seesabameba Cems specialobas da statuss, aucileblad davTanxmdebi, sxva mxriv ki isev ise miviReb monawileobas saarCevno procesebSi, rogorc aqamde.
– ras fiqrobT imaze, rom mmarTvelma gundma ar waradgina sakuTari kandidati prezidentis postze?
– Cven aSkarad mivdivarT gafarToebuli uflebebis saparlamento xelisuflebisken. Sesabamisad, aseTi sazogadoebis prezidenti unda iyos absoluturad neitraluri pirovneba. me mivesalmebi am gadawyvetilebas da minda giTxraT, rom gulwrfeli var da aravis vugoreb koWs. Tavisufali kandidati ufro gaaZlierebs demokratiul procesebs. prezidenti unda iyos opoziciisa da poziciis Semrigebeli.
– maTi Serigeba rom SeiZlebodes, maSin opozicia ar daerqmeoda…
– Cven xSirad gveSleba opoziciis ZiriTadi daniSnuleba. WeSmariti opozicia unda iyos konstruqciuli. erT magaliTs mogiyvanT, pirdapir eTerSi xSirad mqonda kamaTi am Temaze. sakrebulos sxdomaze wardgenil 150-milionian biujetSi 2 milion larze metze SeniSvna ar geqneba, verafers dawer, mxolod 1% nakls afiqsireb, sxva xarvezs ver poulob da mainc ar uWer biujetis damtkicebas mxars, es ras niSnavs? niSnavs, rom specialurad, mizanmimarTulad aferxeb qalaqSi aRmSeneblobis process. opozicia ar niSnavs imas, rom xelisuflebasTan erTad pasuxismgebloba ar gainawilo.
– msgavsi ram arasodes mouvaT TavSi Cvens opozicionerebs. mainc ra eSveleba Cveni partiebis qaosur mdgomareobas, rodis dalagdeba viTareba?
– ar dalagdeba manam, sanam ar gairkveva vin – vin aris. vgulisxmob imas, rom ar aris saWiro 200-mde partia am patara qveyanaSi, miT umetes, roca arc materialuri da arc adamianuri resursi ar gaaCnia. lamis TiTokaciani partiebi gvyavs, rac sabolood, areulobas qmnis arCevnebSi. xom jobia gaerTiandnen msoflmxedvelobidan gamomdinare: memarjveneebi, memarcxeneebi, dasavluri, aradasavluri da a.S. saqarTveloSi maqsimum 5 partiaze meti ar unda iyos. etapobrivad, qveyana wava amisken. me xSirad davdivar postsabWoTa qveynebSi da vxedav, rom saqarTvelom bevr maTgans gauswro ganviTarebis mxriv, gansakuTrebiT, Sua aziis qveynebs. simarTle Tqva premierma amas winaT: Cven unda SevecadoT ekonomika kidev ufro swrafi tempebiT ganvaviTaroT, radgan 2020 wels axali ekonomikuri cikli daiwyeba, romelic xasiaTdeba axali teqnologiuri bumiT. amisaTvis gvWirdeba ganaTlebis sistemis fundamenturi reformireba, raTa SevZloT axali kadrebis momzadeba. cxadia, ufro meti muSaobaa saWiro axalgazrdebTan, xolo sazogadoeba aucileblad mihyveba am process.
– gmadlobT. gisurvebT warmatebebs!