„ქართველ ხალხს ნამდვილად სჭირდება დიდი სიფრთხილე და ერთიანობა“
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Cvens qveyanaSi azrTa sxvadasxvaoba mraval sakiTxze vlindeba, esenia: socialuri foni, polarizebuli politikuri garemo, ceskos dakompleqtebis wesi da a.S. kviraze metia, am sakiTxebs kanonproeqtis `ucxouri gavlenis gamWvirvalobis Sesaxeb~ inicireba daemata, ramac sazogadoeba da politikuri speqtri or nawilad gayo. . .
SeuSlis Tu ara xels aRniSnuli kanonproeqti evrokavSirSi saqarTvelos gawevrianebas da ra procesebis ganviTarebas unda velodoT qveyanaSi am kanonis miRebis SemTxvevaSi? am da sxva aqtualur sakiTxebze amjerad politologi soso manjaviZe gvesaubreba.
– rogor SeafasebT bolodroindel procesebs, romelsac dRes Tvals vadevnebT?
– damoukideblobis mopovebis Semdeg da gansakuTrebiT, e.w. vardebis revoluciidan moyolebuli, saqarTvelo moeqca neokolonialur damokidebulebaSi dasavleTTan. ruseTis federaciasTan arsebuli daZabuloba kidev ufro amZimebs viTarebas. saqarTvelo paradoqsul situaciaSia. erTi mxriv, gawyvetili gvaqvs diplomatiuri urTierToba ruseTTan, romelmac cno Cveni separatistuli regionebis damoukidebloba da meore mxriv, ruseTze varT damokidebuli ekonomikurad da usafrTxoebis TvalsazrisiT, ra sakiTxsac aq ar gavSli, mgoni, mkiTxveli Tavad mixvdeba, raze maqvs saubari. situacia ukiduresad daiZaba ruseTis ukrainaSi SeWris Semdeg, rasac mohyva ruseTis federaciisa da koleqtiuri dasavleTis dapirispireba. am viTarebaSi dasavleTma Tamasuqebis ganaRdeba moiTxova, rac ruseTis winaaRmdeg aqtiur moqmedebas gulisxmobda. cxadia, saqarTvelos xelisuflebas ar hqonda survili, Seesrulebina erTgvari geopolitikuri pitbulis roli, romelic patronis miqsevas daufiqreblad asrulebs da Sedegebze ar fiqrobs. am `urCobam~ ukmayofileba gamoiwvia im doneze, rom aSS-is yofili elCi degnani pirdapir da kategoriuli toniT moiTxovda saqarTvelos maSindeli premierisgan, Tavdacvis ministrisgan da piradad biZina ivaniSvilisgan aqtiur moqmedebebs. `qarTuli ocnebis~ xelisuflebaSi yofnis istoria misi mocilebis mcdelobebiTaa savse. weli ar gasula, aseTi mcdelobebi rom ar yofiliyo. cxadia, amas sWirdeba finansebi da instrumentebi, es ki mraval qveyanaSi aprobirebuli sqemaa – arasamTavroboebis qseli finansdeba sxvadasxva fondidan, romlebic mWidro kavSirSi arian specsamsaxurebTan da maTzea damokidebuli media da politikuri partiebi. es triada mudmiv daZabulobaSi amyofebs adgilobriv xelisuflebebs da akontrolebs mis xazs. es aris mudmivi SantaJi. amave dros, arasamTavroboebi yvelgan amkvidreben neoliberalur dRis wesrigs. aq igulisxmeba neoliberalizmis ekonomikuri, socialuri da kulturuli aspeqtebi, rac umetes SemTxvevaSi diametralurad ewinaaRmdegeba tradiciul Rirebulebebs. isini neokolonializmis ,,modaraje ZaRlebis“ funqcias asruleben. aseTi damokidebuleba, bunebrivia, iwvevs winaaRmdegobas rogorc evrokavSiris SigniT, ise mis gareT. gvaqvs saqarTvelos magaliTi, sadac e.w. enjeokratia damyarda.
– ras fiqrobT konkretulad `gamWvirvalobis~ kanonTan dakavSirebiT?
– swored, zemoT naxseneb konteqstSi aris gansaxilveli am ybadaRebuli kanonis istoriac. xelisuflebas ar aqvs ucxoeTidan gadmoricxuli Tanxebis miznobriobis Semowmebis saSualeba da aqeTken mimarTul pirvelive mcdelobas mohyva mTeli qselis gaaqtiureba. igive mohyva meore mcdelobas. kanons rusuli daarqves da revoluciuri procesi daiwyes. saqmeSi CaerTi natos genmdivani, aSS-is saxelmwifo departamenti da evrokavSiri. arada, rusulTan am kanons araferi aqvs saerTo. is rusulisa Tu amerikulisgan gansxvavebiT, ar exeba fizikur pirebs, ar iTvaliswinebs sisxlis samarTlis pasuxismgeblobas da saerTod, yvelaze rbilia msgavs kanonebs Soris. metropolia aseTi damokidebulebiT gvaxsenebs, rom rac iupiters mieteveba, is ar epatieba xars.
– radgan `ucxouri gavlenis gamWirvalobis Sesaxeb|~ kanoni exeba mediaorganizaciebs, isini Tvlian, rom misi ZalaSi Sesvla SezRudavs sityvis Tavisuflebas da mTavrobas kritikuli media aRar eyoleba, ras fiqrobT am sakiTxze?…
– komikuria argumentebi, rom es kanoni SezRudavs medias. is aRviraxsniloba, rac qarTul mediaSi xdeba, uprecedentoa da amas demokratiad da Tavisuflebad gvasaReben. am xalxs lanZRvisa da ciliswamebis, qveyanaSi areulobis organizebis Tavisufleba swyuria, raTa uxvad dafinansdnen qveynis interesebis gayidvis xarjze, esaa da es.
– opoziciis da eqspertTa nawilis TqmiT, Tu parlamenti aRniSnul kanons miiRebs, is droTa ganmavlobaSi ufro represiuli gaxdeba, radgan ruseTSic ase moxda. . .…
– aseTive sisulelea saubari imaze, Tu rogor gaxdeba am kanonis miRebis Sedegad xelisufleba represiuli. represiul reJims kanoni ar sWirdeba, is misTvis ubralo qaRaldia. sul ar gaxsenebia kanoni saakaSvilis reJims represiebis Casatareblad.
– saqarTvelos konstituciis 78-e muxlSi weria, rom konstituciurma organoebma unda miiRon yvela zoma evropis kavSirsa da natoSi saqarTvelos sruli integraciis uzrunvelsayofad, evropidan da amerikidan ki gvesmis, rom gansaxilveli kanoni ewinaaRmdegeba qveynis interesebs, romlis mizani konstituciurad gacxadebulia – evrokavSirSi gaerTianeba. rogor fiqrobT, `gamWirvalobis~ kanonis miRebac da masTan dakavSirebuli procesebic xels ar SegviSlis am miznisTvis brZolaSi?
– evrokavSirSi Sesvla ar niSnavs, rom ganiZarcvo Seni sarwmunoebisa da kulturisgan, daamkvidro saqarTveloSi genderuli Sizofrenia da lgbtq+ sigiJe. Cveni amocana unda iyos brZola tradicionalistur ZalebTan erTad, globaluri borotebis winaaRmdeg, romelmac daaavadmyofa evropuli sazogadoebebi. garda amisa, unda vacnobierebdeT, rom Cven ki ar mivdivarT evrokavSirisaken, aramed mas aqvs am regionSi interesi da cxadia, ar unda am interesis ganxorcielebaSi saTanado fasi gadaixados – ar urCevnia aq hyavdes iafad nayidi mTavroba da misi makontrolebeli triada?! agenti gacilebiT iafi da ioli samarTavia.
– opoziciis nawili fiqrobs, miuxedavad imisa, rom kanonSi amoRebulia sityva `ucxouri agenti~ da is Canacvlda `ucxouri Zalis interesebis gamtarebliT~, es saxeli mainc gamoiwvevs AarasamTavroebebis da zogierTi mediasaSualebis stigmatizebas. . .
– araviTar stigmas es formulireba ar gamoiwvevs. moemsaxuron sikeTes da daimsaxureben pativiscemas. dRes maTi moqmedeba emsaxureba saxelmwifos, ojaxis, sarwmunoebis, tradiciebis winaaRmdeg brZolas. samwuxarod, es kanoni Znelad Tu moaxerxebs am uaRresad Zlieri da ganStoebuli sistemis SezRudvas, miT umetes, rom saxelmwifo aparatis didi nawili swored arasamTavrobo organizaciebis gavliT moxvda iq. es erTgvari kadrebis samWedloa, axali komkavSiri. ise, ginaxavT maT mier gakeTebuli gancxadeba socialuri usamarTlobis, monopoliebis, ekonomikuri problemebis Taobaze? verc naxavT martivi mizezis gamo – es ar Sedis maTi patronebis interesebSi.
– aqciis monawileebma da opozicionerebma ilia WavWavaZis cnobili sityvebiT Sedgenili lozungi `ena, mamuli, sarwmunoeba~ gadaakeTes da sarwmunoeba erTobiT Caanacvles, ratom?
– ras ar moswrebia Cveni bedkruli samSoblo. sparseTis imperia gvaiZulebda, mazdeanoba migveRo, arabebi sunituri islamis miRebas gvaiZulebdnen. amasve cdilobdnen selCukebi, osmanebi da Temur lengi. axali irani islamis Siituri mimdinareobis miRebis gareSe qarTlSi da kaxeTSi mmarTvels ar amtkicebda, magram religiebis mimdevrebs swamdaT, rom maTi sarwmunoeba WeSmariti iyo da misi miReba sikeTe iyo. uamravma adamianma gaswira Tavi da ar daTmo sarwmunoeba, magram ufro didi ubedureba Semdeg daiwyo. ruseTis imperiaSi gamarjvebulma aTeistma globalistebma da maTma axalgazrdulma mukma (mebrZol uRmerToTa kavSiri) axal religiad mebrZoli aTeizmi gamoacxada, Tumca esec ar yofila fskeri. Tanamedrove evroxunveibinebi, maTi eniT rom visaubroT, mTlianad `aqenseleben~” sarwmunoebas da mas anacvleben terminiT `erToba~. am `reformis~ avtori ,,Tbilisi praidia~. `erToba~ lgbtq+-s niSnavs. maTi lozungi dRes gamoiyureba, rogorc `ena, mamuli, lgbtq+~. kargi, gasagebia, rom saqme gvaqvs axalgazrdul eqstremizmTan. am fenomens Zalian ostaturad iyenebda sxvadasxva reJimi, iseTebi, rogorebic iyvnen bolSevikebi, nacistebi, maoistebi da a.S., risi tragikuli Sedegebi yvelasTvis cnobilia. CvenTan axal, jer arnaxul, jer argagonil movlenasTan -lgbtq+ xunveibin (`wiTelgvardielebi~ – CineTSi), mukelebTan gvaqvs saqme. Mmgoni, marTlac gavakvirveT evropa, magram me aq sxva rameze minda gavamaxvilo yuradReba – ram gauqona ase tvini da ram daubnela goneba ufrosebs, mxars rom uWeren am SabaSs, romlis winaSec fermkrTaldeba Cem mier CamoTvlili umsgavsobebi? am rusofreniam ise daubnelaT goneba, verc imas xedaven, rom es lgbtq+ transformirebuli mebrZoli aTeizmia, Tumca ufro `ganviTarebuli~, vinaidan axla religiis rangSi genderuli Teoriaa, xolo pervertebi am religiis xelSeuxebel `wminda Zroxebad~ arian gamocxadebuli. samwuxarod, am gonebis dabnelebis gamo arc gardauval umZimes Sedegebs iTvaliswineben.
– rogorc cnobilia, mmarTveli gundi 29 aprils sayovelTao-saxalxo Sekrebas Caatarebs aRniSnul kanonproeqtTan dakavSirebiT. ras fiqrobT am Sekrebaze? Tqveni azriT, xom ar gamoiwvevs es sazogadoebis erTmaneTTan dapirispirebas?
– 29 aprilis aqciaze xalxis masobrivi gamosvla aucilebelia imisTvis, rom CaiSalos saqarTveloSi axali feradi revoluciis gegma, risi ganxorcielebisTvisac ase dauRalavad moqmedeben Cveni dauZinebeli partniorebi da maTi agentura. esaa mTavari, rac yvelas unda esmodes da ara is, Tu ra dividendebs miiRebs an ver miiRebs amisgan `qarTuli ocneba~.
– mTavrobis mxridan ra tipis aqtivobebia saWiro, rom sazogadoebas sruli warmodgena hqondes aRniSnul kanonproetze?
– mgoni, es qarTveli xalxis umetesobam gacilebiT ukeT gaigo, vidre imaT, visac Tavi politikosad miaCnia da wyenebis koleqcionirebas eweva. vfiqrob, am kanonis Sesaxeb ukve imdeni iTqva, rom gamgebs unda gaego, Tumca es ar aris mxolod erTi kanoni. es kanonebis paketia, kerZod, xelisuflebam ukve gaauqma genderuli kvotireba, aseve – gadasaxadi ofSoruli zonebidan gadmoricxul Tanxebze da apirebs miiRos lgbtq+ propagandis amkrZalavi konstituciuri kanoni.
– kanonproeqtis srulad miRebis Semdeg, ra procesebis ganviTarebas elodebiT?
– cxadia, es iwvevs gaafTrebul winaaRmdegobas, romelic kidev ufro gamZafrdeba, amitom qarTvel xalxs namdvilad sWirdeba didi sifrTxile da erTianoba – Tamasa Zalian maRlaa aweuli da riskebic Sesabamisad maRalia.