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gasuli kvira, politikuri TvalsazrisiT, sakmaod cxeli aRmoCnda rogorc baTumis sakrebulosTvis, ise qveynis masStabiT. temperaturis aweva ZiriTadad, Sualedurma arCevnebma ganapiroba, romelic ramdenime kviraSi
gaimarTeba. ase rom, win daZabuloba, agresia, dapirispireba da brZola gamarjvebisTvis gvelodeba . . .
gamarjvebulebi ki, opoziciis mtkicebiT, maTi kandidatebi iqnebian, imaves amboben mmarTvel gundSic. `aRdgoma da xvaleo~ – vnaxoT romeli politikuri gundis sasargeblod gaakeTebs arCevans qarTveli amomrCeveli.
gasuli kviris miwuruls, SeiZleba iTqvas, politikuri orTabrZolis adgilad iqca baTumis sakrebulo. vin mtyuania da vin – marTali, vin gaimarjva da vin damarcxda politikur ringze, am da qveyanaSi mimdinare sxva politikur procesebze Cveni gazeTis stumari, saqarTvelos parlamentis wevri mmarTveli gundidan svetlana kudba gvesaubra.
– qalbatono svetlana, is, rac baTumis sakrebulos 12 aprilis sxdomaze moxda, ara mgonia, romelime mxarisTvis sasiamovno faqti yofiliyo. msgavsi incidentebi xSiria qveynis sakanonmdeblo organoSic, Tumca mainc saintereso iqneba `qarTuli ocnebis~ da zogadad amomrCevlisTvis Tqveni Sefaseba.
– cema-tyepa, Cxubi da davidaraba, kargi rom ar aris, calsaxaa. baTumis sakrebuloSi momxdari incidenti televiziiT vnaxe. iq rom vyofiliyavi, detalebze visaubrebdi kidec, Tumca, erTi ram SemiZlia xmamaRla vTqva – orive mxare mtyuania da arc erTia gamarjvebuli. arc erTmaneTisTvis, arc sakrebulosTvis da arc sazogadoebisTvis unda ekadrebinaT is, rac moxda. pativi unda sce sakrebulos rogorc instituts da amomrCevels, romelmac mxari dagiWira. deputats Tmenis valdebuleba ar unda daaviwydes.
– sazogadoebis da politikuri oponentebis gansjis sakiTxi `qarTul ocnebaSi~ bolo dros ganviTarebuli movlenebia, vgulisxmob partiidan Zveli saxeebis wasvlas. Tqvenc im `Zveli gvardiis~ warmomadgeneli xarT da upriani iqneba gkiTxoT, realurad ra iyo eka beselias wasvlis mizezi? rogorc amboben, mosamarTleTa sia arafer SuaSia da ufro piradi interesebi ikveTeba am yvelafris ukan.
– sawyenia da guldasawyveti `qarTuli ocnebidan~ adamianebis wasvla. Cveni partiis liderma batonma biZina ivaniSvilma Tqva kidec, rom TiToeuli adamiani CvenTvis Zvirfasia da maTi partiidan wasvla raRac doziT dagvazaralebs. dasanania, swored is adamianebi wavidnen gundidan, romlebic pirvelive dRidan, yvelaze mZime periodSi ibrZodnen `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ dasamarcxeblad. partiidan sakuTari surviliT wavidnen, Tavad gaakeTes arCevani da maT arCevans pativs vcem kidec. rac Seexeba mizezebs, rasac qalbatoni eka beselia ambobs, is mjera da wasvlis axal versias ver gamovigoneb.
– albaT isic gsmeniaT, eka beselias mesame Zalis liderad rom moiazreben. ramdenad realuria axali Zalis gamoCena qarTul politikaSi?
– ar aris gamoricxuli politikur asparezze gamoCndes mesame, axali Zala. diax, msmenia isic, TiTqos eka beselias TanamoazreebTan erTad `qarTuli ocnebidan~ wasvla winaswar dadgmuli speqtakli iyo. amboben imasac, rom mmarTvel partias xels aZlevs, amave gundidan wamovides axali opoziciuri Zala, rasac ar veTanxmebi, magram Tu gamoCndeba, qarTuli politikisTvis es kargi iqneba.
– am dReebSi politikuri moZraoba `daicavi saqarTvelo~, ramdenimewliani pauzis Semdeg, isev gaaqtiurda. Tavis droze es politikuri moZraoba `qarTuli ocnebis~ mxardamWeri iyo da wina xelisuflebas Riad upirispirdeboda. ras unda niSnavdes dRes `daicavi saqarTvelos~ gaaqtiureba an ras Secvlis maTi gamoCena qarTul politikaSi?
– batoni daviT maRraZe ambobs, rom qveynisTvis saWiroa axali politikuri Zala. is Tvlis, rom `qarTuli ocneba~ ascda im Rirebulebebs, rasac Tavis droze uWerdnen mxars. ver getyviT, acdenil RirebulebebSi ras gulisxmobs, radgan arafers akonkretebs. kargi iqneba, batoni daviTi ufro mets Tu ityvis. Sesabamisad, pasuxebsac ufro vrclad miiRebs.
– rogor fiqrobT, visgan apirebs `daicavi saqarTvelo~ qveynis dacvas?
– mec mainteresebs da kargi iqneba, daakonkretos, visgan icavs, ra Rirebulebebze saubrobs. amis Semdeg yvelaferi naTeli iqneba amomrCevlisTvis da sazogadoebisTvis.
– `qarTuli ocnebidan~ demarSiT wasuli saxeebi SeuerTdebian maRraZis gunds?
– ara, amas gamovricxav, mainc `Zveli gvardiis~ warmomadgenlebi arian – erTi mxare `qarTuli ocnebis~ mxardamWeri iyo, meore ki yofili Tanagundelebi arian, Tumca Tu ase moxdeba, verc amaSi vxedav cuds.
– qalbatono svetlana, arcTu ise didi xnis win regionis yofil mTavrobis TavmjdomaresTan savaraudo saubris faruli Canaweri gavrcelda. vis an raSi dasWirda Canaweris gavrceleba?
– mas, vinc Canaweri gaakeTa, bunebrivia, raRac hqonda dagegmili da gamiznuli, magram `kovzi nacarSi Cauvarda~ – faruli CanaweriT Cvens politikur gundSi dapirispireba ar moxda.
– politikaSi irakli RaribaSvili dabrunda, romelsac `saTadarigo moTamaSed~ inaxavda biZina ivaniSvili. ra Seicvleba yofili premier-ministris dabrunebiT?
– CemTvis sasixarulo iyo batoni irakli RaribaSvilis politikaSi dabruneba. masTan bevri ram makavSirebs, misi premierministrobis dros umaRlesi sabWos deputati gaxldiT. ramdenime dRis win Cven xuloSi merobis kandidati warvadgineT. irakli RaribaSvilis irgvliv adgilobrivebi rom Segrovdnen, imedianad uyurebdnen am axalgazrda kacs, romelsac marTlac sxvagvari qarizma aqvs. vfiqrob, dadebiTi muxti Semoitana partiaSic da amomrCevelSic.
– mxolod dadebiTi muxtis Setana araa sakmarisi. amomrCeveli ganawyenebuli rom aris mmarTvel gundze, faqtia, rac saprezidento arCevnebisas naTlad davinaxeT. ratom ver moaxerxa `qarTulma ocnebam~ dRemde wlebis win gacemuli dapirebebis Sesruleba?
– partiis SigniTac vambobT, rom iyo Secdomebi, magram ara – boroti zraxvebi. vinc muSaobs, Secdomasac is uSvebs. rogorc Cans, raRac mivakeliT mosaxleobas – gadavediT TviTkmayofilebaze. imdenad vuyvarvarT xalxs, rom gvegona, es siyvaruli sakmarisi iqneboda. arada, rac metad uyvarxar adamians, ufro mets gTxovs. diax, Senc Sesabamisad unda upasuxo, rac saTanado doziT ver SevZeliT.
– amas xeli gundSi arsebulma dapirispirebebma xom ar SeuSala?
– gundSi dapirispirebas ar vTvli tragediad, azrTa Widili ar aris cudi, marTalia Znelad, Tumca swored kamaTSi ibadeba WeSmariteba.
– `qarTuli ocneba~ irwmuneba, rom qveyana swori gziT viTardeba, Tumca gaRatakebuli mosaxleobisTvis es sakmarisi ar aris.
– statistikas rom gadavxedoT, qveyanaSi siRaribis kuTxiT sagangaSo mdgomareoba ar aris, magram cifrebi erTia da realuri cxovreba sxva. Cven gvinda dRes iyos yvelaferi kargad, magram xelisufleba gaTvlas grZelvadian perspeqtivaze akeTebs. CemTvis qveynis grZelvadiani perspeqtiva ufro misaRebia, magram amomrCevelic samarTlianad iTxovs socialuri fonis gaumjobesebas da amas versad gaveqceviT. samwuxarod, gvaviwydeba, rom teritoriebis 20 procenti okupirebulia, Cven gamoviareT Sida dapirispirebebi, samoqalaqo omi, revoluciebi, es yvelaferi arasaxarbielod aisaxa qveyanaze. warsulSi datovebuli cudi, saubedurod, win dagvxvda.
– ras elodebiT Sualeduri arCevnebisgan? opozicia irwmuneba, rom swored winasaarCevnodaa gaaqtiurebuli `qarTuli ocnebis~ lideri.
– asec rom iyos, amiTac araferi Savdeba. mjera, rom xalxi brZenia da xmas sikeTes, stabilurobas, qveynis ganviTarebas miscems. arCevnebi mSvid garemoSi Catardeba, Tumca iqneba provokaciebic, dapirispirebac. darwmunebuli var, xuloSi `qarTuli ocnebis~ merobis kandidati gaimarjvebs. es Sualeduri arCevnebi 2020 wlis arCevnebis generaluri repeticia iqneba.
– `qarTuli ocneba~ axal saxeebs eZebs, Zveli saxeebiT ver gaimarjvebs momaval arCevnebSi?
– axali saxeebis SerCeva sworicaa, imedi maqvs, Rirseulebi movlen partiaSi da cuds verc amaSi vxedav.
– arcTu ise didi xnis win Tqven regionis mTavrobis makontrolebel organos warmoadgendiT. dRes, saqarTvelos parlamentis wevrs, rogor mogwonT aWaris mTavrobis muSaoba?
– gulwrfelad getyviT, batoni Tornike riJvaZis muSaobiT kmayofili var. gansakuTrebiT xalxSi misi saxeli dadebiTTan asocirdeba, Tumca arian Cinovnikebi, romelTa gadaxalisebac SeiZleba. samwuxarod, dRemde bevri iseTia darCenili Tanamdebobaze, romlebic sabotaJis mowyobiT arian dakavebulebi. regionis mTavrobis Tavmjdomares sxva araferi rom ar gaekeTebina, mxolod `ocnebis qalaqis~ problemis gadaWra SeiZleba CavTvaloT udides saqmed.
– baTumelebis didi nawilisTvis qaosuri mSeneblobebi miuRebelia, ufro metic – Cabetonebuli qalaqic ki daarqves.
– ar iqneba qaosuri mSeneblobebi, Tu gveqneba qalaqis ganaSenianebis gegma. raki mSeneblobis sakiTxs SevexeT, eqskluziurad getyviT – investori Tevzis bazris mSeneblobas gvTavazobs, Tumca, samwuxarod, arian Cinovnikebi, romlebic mas xels uSlian. baTumi sazRvao qalaqia, romlisTvisac dRes arsebuli Tevzis bazari Seuferebelia. marTlac karg proeqts gvTavzobs qarTveli investori da imeds vitoveb, saTanado yuradRebas miaqceven mas. am etapze mets arafers vityvi, imedia, qalaqisTvis sasikeTo yvela proeqti ganxorcieldeba. rac Seexeba qaosur mSeneblobebs, namdvilad ar ekadreba Cvens qaTqaTa da Tvalwarmtac qalaqs. yvelam viciT, rom baTumSi haeris tenianoba maRalia. is, rac dRes xdeba, merwmuneT, wlebis Semdeg momaval Taobebs Zvirad daujdeba.