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ulamazesi aWaris ulamazes sofel xixaZirSi daibada da gaizarda. bunebiT emociuri, Tumca gawonasworebuli adamiania. amboben, Tanamdebobam ar Secvalao. or welze metia, regionis sakanonmdeblo organos xelmZRvanelobs da . . . umaRlesi sabWos muSaobis dabalanseba SeZlo
oponentebi akritikeben, Tumca xSirad – ara. samarTliani da principulia. mediasTan sakmaod kargi urTierToba aqvs, misTvis arasasiamovno Temebzec ki gaxsnilad saubrobs. is rom kargi respondentia, Cemi kolegebi dameTanxmebian. dRes Cven regionis pirvel kanonmdebelTan ar visaubrebT kanonSemoqmedebiT saqmianobaze. SevecdebiT, daviT gabaiZe sxva rakursiT gavacnoT mkiTxvels.
– batono daviT, ratom moxvediT politikaSi – ideis gamo Tu materialuri mxaris gasaumjobeseblad?
– politikaSi namdvilad ideis gamo movedi. ratom ar wavedi sxvagan da ratom varCie sakanonmdeblo organo, mkiTxavT albaT. imitom, rom maSinac da axlac vfiqrob, Cemi profesiuli gamocdileba da kariera, rac gaviare rogorc Teoriul, ise praqtikul nawilSi, maZlevda saSualebas, vyofiliyavi sakanonmdeblo organos wevri da aqtiuri kanonSemoqmedi. umaRlesi sabWos Tavmjdomareobaze, bunebrivia, ar vfiqrobdi. rogorc kanonSemoqmeds, iseT mniSvnelovan dokumentze momiwia muSaoba, rasac konstitucia hqvia. vfiqrob, sakmaod aqtiurad vimuSave. ar vityvi, rom yvelaferi me gavakeTe, magram sakmaod didi dro da energia davxarje. rac Seexeba kiTxvas – movedi Tu ara politikaSi materialuri mdgomareobis gasaumjobeseblad – ara, radgan, vinc micnobs, icis Cemi saadvokato karieris Sesaxeb, dameTanxmeba, Tu regionSi vinme iyo warmatebuli advokati, gansakuTrebiT samoqalaqo da administraciuli samarTlis mimarTulebiT, erT-erTi mec viyavi. saqarTvelos advokatTa asociaciis damfuZnebeli wevri gaxldiT, anazRaurebac kargi mqonda, ver vityvi, rom bevrad ukeTesi, magram imaze ukeTesi, vidre axla maqvs. varCie politika, radgan Cemi SesaZleblobebi unda moxmardes ara mxolod Cemi erTi an ramdenime klientis, aramed regionis interesebs. myavs meuRle, Svili. minda momavali TaobebisTvis kargi pirobebi iyos regionSi, qveyanaSi da amaSi erTi aguri mec maqvs dasadebi. ramdenad sworad vakeTeb amas, sazogadoebis Sesafasebelia, Tumca vcdilob. saboloo jamSi, zogadad politikaSi myofi adamianebis obieqturi Sefaseba wlebis saqmea. vfiqrob, Cem Sesaxebac obieqturi Sefaseba iqneba wlebis Semdeg. isev SevxvdebiT me da Tqven da mosaxleobis azrsac movismenT.
– bavSvobaSi kosmonavtobaze ar ocnebobdiT?
– ara, gansakuTrebuli azrebi ar mawuxebda bavSvobaSi. vfiqrobdi, unda vyofiliyavi gamomZiebeli. saboloo jamSi, rogorc ki universiteti davamTavre, aRmovCndi sapirispiro mxares – advokaturaSi. Cemi profesiuli kariera dasruldeba iq, saidanac daviwye. CemTvis aseve mniSvnelovania pedagogiuri saqmianoba, romelsac dRemde vagrZeleb. 16 welia leqtori var.
– rogoria Cveni qveyana da risi Secvla gindaT momavali TaobebisTvis?
– Zalian lamaz, udidesi tradiciisa da kulturis qveyanaSi vcxovrobT. bevrjer gamigonia – erTi am qveynidan wamiyvanao. arasdros mqonia amis survili. dRes var umaRlesi sabWos Tavmjdomare da vatareb halstuxs, Torem arc martivi gza gamomivlia. yvelaze mZime periodSic ki ar mifiqria sxvagan wasvlaze. RmerTs madloba, rom davibade iq, sadac davibade. bevri unda gavakeToT Cveni qveynis ukeTesi momavlisTvis.
– sxvisi naTqvami tyuilis gamo SegrcxveniaT da uxerxul mdgomareobaSi CavardnilxarT?
– oponentebisgan iseTi ram momismenia, Semrcxvenia ki arada, imedgacruebulic vyofilvar, magaliTad, TiTqos mamaCems biznesi aqvs, `katastrofulad~ mdidari yofila da `raRac~ saqmianobas afinansebs, arada, mama 1987 wels gardaicvala, 6 wlis rom viyavi. roca politikur oponentebTan gamomiTqvams gulwrfeli aRSfoTeba, uTqvamT, politikaSi xar da ra gikvirso. ise, politikaSi yofna yvelafris kadrebas ar niSnavs.
– batono daviT, marixuana gagisinjavT?
– arc survili mqonia, 35 wlis ise gavxdi, sigaretsac ki ar veweodi. Semdeg 6-7 Tve, SeiZleba iTqvas, gaveTamaSe. mivxvdi, es ar iyo Cemi saqme da Tavi davanebe.
– SeiZleba banaluri kiTxvaa, magram vis an ras ver uRalatebT?
– sakmaod principuli adamiani var. vinc axlos micnobs, icis, Tumca vinc ar micnobs, fiqrobs, rom kompromisebze xSirad mivdivar, magram ase ar aris. zustad vici, ras da ratom vakeTeb da ra Sedegi mohyveba.
– romeli qveynis sakanonmdeblo organos Tavmjdomareobas isurvebdiT?
– rom giTxraT, romelime qveynis sakanonmdeblo organos Tavmjdomareoba minda-meTqi, tyuili iqneba. sadac var, esec sakmaod mZime tvirTia CemTvis. vcdilob, es tvirTi Rirseulad vzido. Tavmjdomareobas ara, magram didi siamovnebiT gavecnobodi britaneTis parlamentis muSaobis specifikas, imitom, rom sakmaod kargi saparlamento praqtika aqvT, Cemi azriT, romlis gadmotanac CvenTan sakmaod sainteresod meCveneba. sxvaTa Soris, israelis qneseTis muSaobac sainteresoa. stumrad myavda israelis qneseTis vice-spikeri, TanamSromlobis SesaZlebloba gvaqvs. sakmaod aqtiuri politikuri organoa kanonSemoqmedebiTTan erTad.
– bedisweris gjeraT?
– aq cota gaorebuli var. bediswera SesaZlebelia arsebobs, magram, yvela adamians Tavis cxovrebaSi koreqtireba Tavisi moqmedebebiT Seaqvs.
– adamiani sakuTar Secdomebze swavlobso, amboben. ra Secdoma dagiSviaT, romelzec iswavleT?
– Secdoma ar damiSvia-meTqi, ver getyviT. emociuri var da xSirad mimicia sakuTari TavisTvis am emociebis amofrqvevis saSualeba, Tumca, mas Semdeg rac Tanamdebobaze var, met-naklebad emociis marTvas vaxerxeb da iseT Secdomas ar vuSveb, rac politikosisTvis Seuferebelia. emociebze ayola yvelaze didi naklia, rac SeiZleba politikaSi myof adamians hqondes. amitomacaa, zedmetad wynari da akademiuri vCanvar. sadac var, im statuss ase sWirdeba.
– ra gancda geuflebaT, roca xvdebiT, rom TqvenTan daaxloeba Tqveni Tanamdebobis gamo undaT adamianebs?
– vcdilob, aseTi adamianebi naklebad iyvnen Cem gverdiT. Tu, vTqvaT, CemTan Cemi Tanamdebobis gamo imitom cdiloben yofnas, rom raRac miiRon, amis micemis saSualeba Tu maqvs, gavcem, radgan esec raRac tipis daxmarebaa. mwyins, rom Tanamdeboba aris maTTvis mTavari sazomi, magram bevri aseTi adamiania Cem irgvliv-meTqi, ver vityvi.
– ar meguleba adamiani, bavSvoba ar enatrebodes. Tqven ra genatrebaT sofelSi gatarebuli wlebidan . . .
– soflis nostalgia dRemde momyveba. 17 weli sofelSi vicxovre, mainc bavSvi merqva da laRi viyavi. ojaxis tvirTis zidva adre daviwye. ekonomikuri siduxWiris miuxedavad, guli gacilebiT Tavisufali iyo.
– sakuTari neba-survilis winaaRmdeg wasulxarT?
– albaT, ki. neba-survili principebTan winaaRmdegobaSi ar yofila, aseTi ram arasdros gamikeTebia. ise, sakuTari interesebi damiTmia sxvis sakeTildReod. aseTi bevris gaxseneba SemiZlia, magram ar Rirs.
– ojaxTan ramdenad xSirad atarebT dros?
– Tu gaviTvaliswinebT intervius Caweris dros (icinis) da imas, rom jer kidev ver mivedi saxlSi . . . sakmaod cota dros. albaT, yvelaze metad patara aleqsandresTvisaa problema, mas axla gansakuTrebiT sWirdeba mamasTan urTierToba. Cemi gadatvirTuli samuSao grafikis gamo ar wuwunebs meuRle, diskomforts ar miqmnis.
– raSi ar genanebaT fulis daxarjva? xelgaSlili xarT?
– Zalian xelmomWirne adamianad ar viTvlebi, magram arc mflangveli var. ra Semosavalic mqonia, imas vkmarobdi yovelTvis. maxsovs, studentobis dros me da Cemi Zma, rogorc marCenaldakargulebi, pensias viRebdiT – jamSi 28 lars da Tvidan Tvemde im TanxiT Tavi gagvitania. mere saadvokato saqmianoba daviwye, sakmaod maRali Semosavali mqonda, isic myofnida. miuxedavad imisa, rom bevri arasdros mqonia, arc arasdros miwuwunia.
– Jurnalisti rom iyoT, visTan CawerdiT intervius?
– barak obamasTan. sakmaod saintereso pirovnebaa. Tavidan megona, rigi garemoebebis Tu SemTxveviTobis gamo gaxda SeerTebuli Statebis prezidenti, magram bolo periodSi bevri politikosis gamosvlas vismen da winasaarCevno periodSi obamas saarCevno gamosvlebTan Sedarebac ki ar SeiZleba. is SemTxveviT ar gamxdara prezidenti, amaSi misma saqmianobam damarwmuna.
– materialuri TvalsazrisiT, rTuli periodi gqoniaT?
– sirTuleebi iyo, studentobac sakmaod rTul periodSi momiwia. merec, roca universitetSi daviwye muSaoba, 27 lari mqonda xelfasi. rogorc leqtors, arc tansacmlisTvis geyofoda da arc literaturisTvis. maSin wignebs viwerdiT… yofila isec, rom dRisiT leqcia wamikiTxavs da RamiT mtvirTavad mimuSavia portSi, amitom vambob – arc halstuxiT davbadebulvar da arc umaRles sabWoSi gavCenilvar. miuxedavad amisa, verc erT wels vaCuqeb sxvas, didi Sroma maqvs Cadebuli da yvelaze cudad gasaxsenebelic ki Cemi istoriis, Cemi cxovrebis nawilia.
– batono daviT, raSi gzRudavT umaRlesi sabWos Tavmjdomareoba? ai, Tundac, mogindaT cekva . . .
– cekva yvelaze martivi mosaTmen-gadasatania. diskomforts ganvicdi maSin, roca bavSvs sicxe aqvs da wamalze ver gavdivar. vidre dacvis samsaxuri ar mova, saxlidan gasvlis ufleba ar maqvs. wesebs vemorCilebi, radgan ar minda sxvas diskomforti Sevuqmna.
– ris gamo gsayvedurobT meuRle?
– sayvedurebs naklebad vismen, sakmaod ganaTlebuli adamiania da icis, ras niSnavs samsaxuri, miT ufro – sapasuxismgeblo. ver vityvi, me an naTia da aleqsandre aRfrTovanebulebi varT, SuaRamemde rom miwevs muSaoba, magram, rogorc ityvian, mZimea `monomaxis qudi~ . . .
– amboben, rom Tanamdebobam ar SegcvalaT . . .
– arasdros miTamaSia cxovrebaSi, viyavi da var is, vinc var. Tanamdeboba ki ar cvlis, amJRavnebs adamians.