,,ყოფილი პრემიერის ბოდიშები, რომლებითაც შემოვიდა პოლიტიკაში, საკმარისი არ არის. მას კიდევ ბევრ კითხვაზე აქვს პასუხი გასაცემი”
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parlamentSi Sesulma Tamar korZaiam `respublikelebi~ mas Semdeg datova, rac partia fraqciaSi – `Sarl miSelis samuSao jgufi~ gaerTianda. korZaia miiCnevs, rom `partnior opoziciur partiebTan samomavlo TanamSromloba unda gagvegrZelebina `respublikuri partiis~ or wevrs ufraqciod – damoukideblad saqmianobiT, parlamentis tribunidan Tamami respublikuri ideebis gaxmovanebiT da brZoliT~. Tamar korZaias Semdeg partia levan berZeniSvilmac datova. rogorc is ambobs: `fraqcia, romelic Seiqmna parlamentSi da romlis Tavmjdomarec iqneba xaTuna samniZe, CemTvis aris absoluturad miuRebeli Semadgenlobis gamo imitom, rom yvelam gadadga uzneo nabijebi. amas Tu axsna sWirdeba, me amas ar avxsni. . . Tamar korZaia ibrZoda imisTvis, rom `respublikelebi~ parlamentSi yofiliyvnen damoukideblebi. amas ver miaRwia da davkargeT. partiisTvis, romelic Tamar korZaias ver inarCunebs, veranair perspeqtivas ver vxedav~.
am sakiTxze interviu vTxoveT umaRlesi sabWos ganaTlebis, kulturisa da sportis komitetis Tavmjdomaris moadgiles, deputat irakli CavleiSvils, romelmac gacilebiT adre datova `respublikuri partia~ imis gamo, rom Tanagundelebis boikots ar daemorCila da sakanonmdeblo organoSi Sesvla arCia.
– rogor SeafasebT mimdinare politikur situacias?
– Cemi xedviT, politikuri viTareba lagdeba. imedi mogveca, rom qveyana cxovrebis normalur ritms daubrundeba. rac es peripetiebi daiwyo, didi ziani miadga saqarTvelos ekonomikas da evrointegracias. `nacionaluri moZraoba~ Sevida parlamentSi, rac niSnavs, rom qveynis sakanonmdeblo organo srulfasovnad imuSavebs imdenad, ramdenadac ukve warmodgenilia opoziciis ramdenime flangi. es yovelive ki TavisTavad, waadgeba qveynis ganviTarebas.
– batono irakli, Tqven iyaviT erT-erTi pirveli, romelic, boikotis miuxedavad, Sevida sakanonmdeblo organoSi. ra komentarebi da qmedebebi mohyva Tqvens am nabijs, yvelam davinaxeT. rogor grZnobT Tavs axla, rodesac Tqveni gadawyvetileba gamarTlda?
– politikaSi Sesuli yvelafrisTvis unda iyo mzad anu acrili yvela saxis Tavdasxmasa da Wor-marTalze. Tuki msgavsi sirTuleebi ver warmogidgenia, didxans ver SerCebi politikas. cxovreba iseTia, yvelas Tavis adgils miuCens. aqedan gamomdinare, vityvi mxolod erTs – deputatoba uzarmazar pasuxismgeblobas gulisxmobs amomrCevlebTan mimarTebaSi. xalxis ndoba unda gaamarTlo. es ar aris paTetikuri sityvebi, es aqsiomaa. Tuki xar deputati, unda imuSao sakanonmdeblo organos tribunasTan da ara quCaSi. swored iqidan SeZleb qveynis marTvaSi monawileobas da xalxis isedac garTulebuli da mZime cxovrebis Semsubuqebas.
– boikotireba Tavidanve Secdoma iyo?
– ara, ase ar mimaCnia, radgan protestis sxvadasxva formis gamoyeneba demokratiis anabanaa, magram qarTvelebs gadameteba gvCvevia yvelaferSi. zomierebis dacva ki aucilebelia rogorc yofiT cxovrebaSi, ise politikaSic. rac Seexeba Cems umaRles sabWoSi Sesvlas, Tavidanve Rrmad viyavi darwmunebuli, rom unda damewyo sadeputato saqmianoba, radgan yvela protests Tavisi zoma da dro aqvs. mimdinare movlenebma daadastura Cemi simarTle. jibrSi aravis vudgebi, vakeTebs Cems saqmes, rameTu `saqmeman Senman unda gamogaCinos Sen~. boRmis da SurisZiebis surviliT Sors ver wavalT, Cvenve dagvangrevs. yvelam ise unda iRvawos, rogorc Tavad CaTvlis saWirod, yovelgvari zewolis da karnaxis gareSe.
– yofili Tanablokelebi Semovidnen umaRles sabWoSi. rogori urTierToba gaqvT maTTan, rogor miiRes isini sxva deputatebma?
– jerjerobiT verafers getyviT. ukve Catarda erTi sxdoma urTierTpaeqrobis (rbilad rom vTqvaT) fonze. xalxs es adamianebi imitom ar aurCevia, rom angariSsworebaSi gaataron is samuSao saaTebi, romelSic Zalian karg xelfass uxdian, miT umetes iseT Rarib qveyanaSi, rogoric saqarTveloa, sadac yvela dRes gadamwyveti mniSvneloba aqvs ekonomikis amoqaCvisTvis da uamravi socialuri Tu yofiTi problemis mogvarebisTvis. amiT ziandeba qveyana da is adamianebic, romlebic msgavsi ucenzuro da utaqto gamoTqmebiT mimarTaven sakuTar kolegebs.
– piradad ar gagiCndaT msgavs paeqrobaSi CarTvis survili?
– yovelTvis viyavi msgavsi antagonisturi damokidebulebis winaaRmdegi. mtrad aravin Semiracxavs, miT umetes, politikuri Sejaxebebis gamo. mimaCnia, rom nebismieri winaaRmdegoba mxolod maSinaa gamarTlebuli, Tu sikeTe moaqvs Seni erisTvis. is, vinc sargeblobs msgavsi dapirispirebebiT, qveynis mteria da mteri aklda da aklia saqarTvelos, Cven rom ar davematoT?
– `respublikuri partia~ yovelTvis asocirdeboda baTumTan, aqedan gamomdinare, gansakuTrebulad vadevnebT Tvalyurs mis funqcionirebas. am bolos bevrma datova partiis rigebi. nuTu sabolood iSleba?
– Tu SeiZleba, davazusteb: `respublikuri partia~ Seiqmna gasuli saukunis 80-ian wlebSi TbilisSi im adamianebisgan, romlebmac gamoiares sabWouri banakebi. am partiis meore sicocxle ki daiwyo baTumSi, rodesac daTo berZeniSvili Camovida samuSaod niko berZeniSvilis saxelobis samecniero-kvleviT centrSi, sadac Seikra `respublikelTa~ birTvi. masSi gaerTianda yvela moazrovne da patriotulad ganwyobili axalgazrda da im droidan daiwyo partiis axali cxovreba. rac Seexeba partiis sabolood daSlis faqts, me ver dageTanxmebiT, radgan `cnoba misi gardacvalebis Sesaxeb~ jer ar gamoqveynebula. Tanac, misi arsebobis 43 wlis ganmavlobaSi mudmivad gvesmoda: `respublikuri partia~ ganadgurda, daiSala, Tumca is feniqsiviT ferflidan aRdgeboda xolme da axal warmatebebs aRwevda. Tundac is rad Rirs, rom parlamentSi erTaderTi opoziciuri partiis Tavmjdomared xaTuna samniZe airCies. amas verc ki warmovidgendiT jer kidev arCevnebis win. gamodis, aris potenciali am partiaSi da ganagrZobs cxovrebas.
– levan berZeniSvili, albaT, ase optimisturad ar aRiqvams am faqts, radgan partia datova.
– rac Seexeba levan berZeniSvils, is sul sxva ganzomileba iyo `respublikelTa~ Soris. levani iyo metri, Tu rogori unda iyos politikosi. misi es qmedebac adasturebs, rom rac unda momgebiani iyos nabiji, WeSmariteba masze maRla dgas. levani ar exeba sxva Wrils, am WeSmaritebis erTguli rCeba. Tumca WeSmaritebazec aravis aqvs monopolia, yvelas Taviseburad esmis es mcneba. cixidan gamosvlis Semdeg, wlebis ganmavlobaSi, igi ar ereoda politikaSi da mecnierul moRvaweobas eweoda. es iyo erTgvari pauza. Rrmad var darwmunebuli imaSic, rom man axlac pauza aiRo, radgan levan berZeniSvili, umaRlesi klasis politikosi, aseve brwyinvale mecnieri da literatoria. imedi maqvs, is isev daubrundeba qarTul politikas, radgan araordinaruli azrovneba aqvs am sferoSic.
– Tqven ise saubrobT yofil Tanapartielebsa da partiaze, TiTqos isev `respublikeli~ xarT. guli xom ar gwydebaT wamosvlaze?
– me imitom wamovedi, koaliciur reJimSi myofi partia ar dazianebuliyo Cemi gadawyvetilebis gamo. imedi mqonda, cxovreba yvelafers daalagebda, gamoCndeboda Savi da TeTri da Cemi simarTlec dadasturdeboda. `respublikelebi~ yovelTvis viyaviT optimistebi da Soreul politikaSi ufro viyurebodiT, vidre mimdinareSi. am etapze Zalian mSvidad vgrZnob Tavs, rogorc damoukidebeli deputati. ufro metis gamoTqmis saSualeba momeca, radgan Sidapartiuli disciplinis CarCoebSi ar miwevs SezRudva. Tumca es ar niSnavs, rom ar vgulSematkivrob `respublikelebs~. is rac arCevnebSi gavakeTeT usaxsrod da seriozuli lobistebis gareSe, marTlac warmoudgenelia. Cveni sami wevri Sevida sakanonmdeblo organoebSi. es iyo Zalian kargi Sedegi im fonze, rodesac sxva partiebma amaze milionebi daxarjes, magram barieric ver gadalaxes. iyo periodi, rodesac Cven samprocentian partias gveZaxdnen. maSin `respublikurma partiam~ gadawyvita, damoukideblad moesinja Zalebi da 3,78% aiRo. dRes es procentuli Semadgenloba seriozuli gamarjvebaa bevri partiisTvis. ase rom, Cven es gza gavlili gvaqvs da ukeTesis molodinSi varT.
– Tamar korZaias partiidan gasvlaze ras gvetyviT?
– axlave CamogiTvliT im pirovnebebis jars, romlebic iyvnen da gavidnen am partiidan. Tanac iseT gvarebs CamogiTvliT, rom gagikvirdebaT Zalian. magaliTad: mixeil saakaSvili, darCiaSvili, gociriZe, boboxiZe, zurab zaqareiSvili, usufaSvili, xidaSeli da a.S. es is adamianebi arian, romlebmac didi kvali daaCines bolo 20 wlis saqarTvelos politikas. aqedan gamomdinare, Tavisuflad SeiZleba iTqvas, rom `respublikuri partia~ aris politikosTa samWedlo. rogorc Cans, am partias, qarTul politikur speqtrSi swored es wili ergo. meamayeba, rom swored aqedan wamovida qarTul politikaSi is liberaluri xedvebi, romelic gvaaxloebs evropul samyarosTan.
– axlovdeba adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebi, romlisTvisac daZabuli mzadebaa. situacia kidev ufro gaamZafra gaxarias axalma politikurma gaerTianebam, romelsac `nacionalebi~ `ocnebis~ satelitad moixsenieben, xolo `qarTuli ocneba~ – `nacionalebis~. . .
– politika ulmobeli da daundobelia Tavad politikosebis mimarT. xom xedavT, SeiZleba dRes kaci premieri iyos da xval moRalated gamocxaddes. yvelaze metad, msgavsi damokidebuleba SesamCnevia saqarTveloSi, radgan jer kidev duRilis procesSia qarTuli politikuri speqtri. amitom aq mosuli, yvelafrisTvis unda iyos mzad. bevrs hgonia, rom politikosis gza ia-vardiTaa mofenili, arada, urTulesi gamocdis winaSe dgeba yvela. aris aRtkineba, camde ayvana, qeba-dideba, magram uceb icvleba yvelaferi da SeiZleba miwasTan ise gagasworon, TiTqos arasodes arafers warmoadgendi. es konkretulad gaxarias ar exeba. mTeli qarTuli politikuri sivrce msgavsi damokidebulebiTaa savse da xalxs dResac uWirs garkveva, magaliTad Jordania moRalate iyo Tu pirveli qarTuli saxelmwifos sulisCamdgmeli. ase Tu gavagrZelebT, giorgi saakaZemdec ki CavalT. ase rom, aq sakmaod bevri Temaa bundovani da gaurkveveli.
– axali moTamaSeebiT gaivso winasaarCevno moedani. rogor fiqrobT, SeZlebs Tu ara `qarTuli ocneba~ im ybadaRebuli 43%-is mogrovebas?
– ase ver davakonkreteb, miWirs prognozireba, radgan qarTuli politika iseTma Zlierma, erTi SexedviT daumarcxebelma politikurma subieqtebma datoves da ise gaqrnen asparezidan, TiTqos arc uarsebiaT. vgulisxmob `moqalaqeTa kavSirs~, `aRorZinebas~, `mrgval magida-Tavisufal saqarTvelos~ da sxvas, axla rom verc vixsenebT. rac Seexeba gaxarias, uaxloesma arCevnebma gvaCvena, rac daemarTa didi rixiT mosul partiebs, rom iZaxdnen, mesame centri varT da amomrCeveli mxolod Cven gamogvyvebao. anu yvelafers gansazRvravs samoqalaqo sazogadoeba da eleqtorati, romelic zustad uCens aseT partiebs adgils politikaSi. gaxaria Tuki moikidebs fexs qarTul politikur speqtrSi, amas ra sjobia, radgan rac ufro mravalferovani viqnebiT, ukeT ganisazRvreba demokratiuli WeSmariteba. magram yofili premieris bodiSebi, romlebiTac Semovida politikaSi, sakmarisi ar aris. mas kidev bevr kiTxvaze aqvs pasuxi gasacemi. vnaxoT, ra iqneba.