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`erTianma nacionalurma moZraobam~ 15 agvistos 2021 wlis adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebze regionebSi merobis kandidatebi waradgina. kandidatebis dasaxelebisas, partiis Tavmjdomare nika meliam 2 oqtombris arCevnebi araerTxel moixsenia `istoriuli mniSvnelobis referendumad~, imis miuxedavad, rom `qarTulma ocnebam~ ukve uari Tqva Sarl miSelis dokumentis am punqtis Sesrulebaze (43%-ian barierze) da sakmarisi xmebis vermiRebis SemTxvevaSi vadamdeli arCevnebis daniSvnaze.
ras niSnavs opoziciis wayrueba, seriozulad ar miiRo mmarTveli gundis gancxadeba, Tu aqvT raime sxva Canafiqri, riTac aiZuleben maT xelmoweril dokumentze pasuxismgeblobas, jerjerobiT gaugebaria. isini ise iqcevian, TiTqos araferi momxdara da `qarTuli ocneba~ isev idges vadamdrli arCevnebis daniSvnis safrTxis winaSe. amaze, aseve binaTmSeneblobis sakiTxebze saubrobs baTumis merobis kandidati `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobidan~ giorgi kirTaZe, romelic Tvlis, rom aucileblad gaimarjvebs da moagvarebs im problemebs, qalaqis winaSe am etapze rom dgas. rac Seexeba vadamdel arCevnebs, misi azriT, aucileblad dainiSneba da `qarTuli ocneba~ verafriT daarRvevs evropel partniorebTan xelmoweril SeTanxmebas.
– giorgi, TqvenTvis ucxo ar aris baTumis municipaliteti. . .
– diax, TviTmmarTvelobaSi sakmaod didxans vmuSaobdi. viyavi 2006-2010-2014 wlebis mowvevis sakrebulos wevri, romelsac or vadaSi vxelmZRvanelobdi kidec. aqedan gamomdinare, SemiZlia Tamamad ganvacxado, rom kargad vici is problemebi, rac awuxebs qalaqs, Tumca mimaCnia, rom am etapze es ar aris mniSvnelovani. gacilebiT sayuradReboa 2 oqtombris TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebi, rodesac gaimarTeba sayovelTao referendumi da qarTveli xalxi gaakeTebs arCevans. maSin gamoCndeba, gvaqvs Tu ara ukeT cxovrebis Sansi da surT Tu ara adekvaturi, normaluri, gamarTuli da mosaxleobaze orientirebuli xelisuflebis arCeva. darwmunebuli var, Cveni moqalaqeebi swor gadawyvetilebas miiReben da xmas miscemen im politikur Zalas, romelmac erTxel ukve gamoiyvana saqarTvelo Cixidan, gadaarCina Cveni avTenturoba, meoba da saxelmwifoebrioba. axla ufskrulis Tavze varT gamokiduli da droze Tu ar vuSveleT qveyanas, SesaZloa, iseTi gamowvevebis winaSe aRmovCndeT, romelsac veRarafriT movereviT. calsaxaa, rom biZina ivaniSvili unda damarcxdes am referendumSi, rac yvela Cvengans mogvcems ukeTesi xvalindeli dRis, momavali keTildReobis realur imeds.
– Tqven gjeraT referendumis Catarebis, imis miuxedavad, rom `qarTulma ocnebam~ saxalxod Tqva uari am SeTanxmebis Sesrulebaze? mizezad maT `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ mier dokumentis xelmoweraze TavSekaveba daasaxeles. principSi, SeTanxmeba yovelTvis orive mxaris pozicias iTvaliswinebs, rac faqtia, ar momxdara.
– `qarTuli ocnebis~ uari arafers niSnavs, mas aravin ekiTxeba vadamdeli arCevnebis daniSvna-ardaniSvnas. yvelafer amis garantorad gvevlinebian dasavleli partniorebi. aqedan gamomdinare, da-rwmunebuli var, rogorc ki TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebze miiReben saerTo xmebis 43%-ze naklebs (mjera, rom es cifri bevrad naklebi iqneba), mmarTvel gunds mouwevs riggareSe arCevnebis daniSvna rogorc saqarTvelos parlamentis, ise aWaris umaRlesi sabWos xelaxali wevrebis asarCevad.
– ratom fiqrobT, rom `qarTuli ocneba~ ver moagrovebs xmebis saTanado raodenobas, miT umetes, acxadebs, rom es misTvis problemas ar warmoadgens?
– sakuTar xelmoweraze uaris TqmiT, `qarTulma ocnebam~, faqtobrivad, damarcxeba aRiara. albaT, Sida gamokiTxvebiT daaskvna, rom 43%-is aRebis aranairi Sansi ar aqvs. aba, sxva mxriv rogor aixsneba misi aseTi moulodneli gancxadeba, romliTac Cven ki ara, sakuTari partiis wevrebic ki gaaoca? axla cdilobs xalxis yuradReba gafantos da uTxras, vadamdeli arCevnebi mainc ar dainiSneba, xolo baTumis meri kirTaZe iqneba Tu Ciqovani, amas araviTari gadamwyveti mniSvne-loba ar aqvso. anu `qarTulma ocnebam~, misi WkuiT, sakmaod martivad moagvara es sakiTxi, magram Cvenc aseve ver SevxedavT arsebul viTarebas, radgan Zalian rTulad gvaqvs saqme da am qveynis meqrTameobis da korufciis Waobidan amoyvanis erTaderT gzad, isev da isev, vadamdeli arCevnebi migvaCnia, romlis daniSvnas `qarTuli ocnebis~ mier barieris gadaulaxavobiT Tu mivaRwevT. piradad me mkafiod vxedav 2 oqtombers mmarTveli gundis mware damarcxebas da ukve riggareSe arCevnebSi koaliciad Sekruli opoziciis udavo gamarjvebas.
– Tqven marTlac darwmunebuli CanxarT amaSi, Tumca ratom unda daTmos `ocnebam~ xelisufleba, miT umetes, rom saerTaSoriso organizaciebis daskvnebiT SarSandeli arCevnebi ar gayalbebula. iqneb, revoluciis gziT apirebT SeasrulebinoT danapirebi? gegmavT saprotesto aqciebs?
– ara, araviTari revolucia da areuloba ar igegmeba. opoziciam kanonis farglebSi unda daikavos qveynis marTvis sadaveebi. SarSandeli arCevnebi rom gayalbda, es yvelam icis da veraviTari daskvna amas ver Secvlis. darwmunebuli var, rogorc ki `qarTuli ocneba~ damarcxdeba am arCevnebSi, meore dResve saqarTvelos prezidenti gamova da daniSnavs riggareSe arCevnebs.
– Tqven ise laparakobT, TiTqos piradad salome zurabiSvilTan gqondeT SeTanxmeba. ra berketebi gagaCniaT, Tuki msgavsi araferi moxdeba?
– berketebi gaaCnia mas, visac xelewifeba piradad biZina ivaniSvils Seuqmnas didi problemebi. es aris Tavad saqarTvelo da qarTveli xalxi, romelic ar moiTmens amden `gadagdebas~ da amdenxnian diqtaturas sakuTar qveyanaSi.
– gamodis, mainc revoluciaze migvaniSnebT?
– me aravis arafers mivaniSneb, vambob gaWrili teqstiT – qarTveli xalxi ar aitans amden ganukiTxaobas. Cven Zalian `magari~ xalxi varT da SesaZloa cota gvian, magram mainc droulad vxvdebiT, vin da rogor unda marTos es qveyana. ager me da ager – Tqven – ara ugvianes 3-4 oqtombrisa, prezidenti gamova da gamoacxadebs vadamdel arCevnebs. amaSi ise var darwmunebuli, rogorc imaSi, rom intervius gaZlevT axla, am wuTSi.
– axla rom moaweroT xeli miSelis dokuments?
– ratom? Cven rac gavakeTeT, gaxsnilad gamovacxadeT da avxseniT, ratom ar movawereT xeli am SeTanxmebas, ar CavTvaleT saWirod damnaSaveebisTvis pasuxismgeblobis acileba. Cven ra SuaSi varT? am dokuments xeli moawera evrokavSiris prezidentma da vinmes Tu warmoudgenia, rom amxela garantori, uzarmazari rangis adamiani ase iolad daTmobs sakuTar xelweras da am sakiTxis mogvarebisTvis daxarjul dros, Zalian Semcdara. is xom wynarad da mSvidad ar Sexedavs am kuTxiT atexil ambebs? maSinve CaerTveba saerTaSoriso meqanizmebi, romelic aiZulebs mmarTvels gunds, gadadges vadamdeli arCevnebis gziT.
– miSels didi gulgatexiloba ar gamoumJRavnebia, iseTi STabeWdileba dagvrCa, rom winaswari SeTanxmeba moxda maTsa da `qarTul ocnebas~ Soris.
– ras ambobT, yvela saerTaSoriso partnioris Sefaseba iyo Zalian mkacri da Seuvali. iqneb yvelam ar atexa gangaSi, magram rac Tqves, imaze uaresi ra unda eTqvaT? kargad iciT, ramodena Zala aqvT am qveynebs da kavSirebs. isic gaxsovT, 8 agvistos omSi rogor gadagvarCines ruseTis aneqsiisgan. rogorc ki amuSavda maTi meqanizmebi, maSinve gavida saqarTvelos teritoriebidan ruseTi da mcire danakargebiT gadavrCiT. natom ar misca Crdiloel agresorebs Tbilisis Tavze rusuli droSis afrialebis saSualeba. ase rom, isini haerze sityvebs ar isvrian, araTu maTive damuSavebul da xelmoweril dokumentebs. darwmunebuli var, `qarTul ocnebasac~ Zalian kargad esmis es yvelaferi. maTi gancxadeba mciredi gabrZoleba iyo mxolod. ician, rom aiReben 43%-ze gacilebiT nakleb xmebs da mouwevT vadamdeli arCevnebis daniSvna, romelSic gamarjvebis aRaranairi Sansi aRar eqnebaT.
– rogor mimdinareobs Tqveni winasaarCevno kampania, gaqvT Tu ara sakmarisi finansebi procesis efeqturad warmarTvisTvis?
– arasodes gvqonia imdeni finansuri SesaZlebloba, ramdenic `qarTul ocnebas~, magram mimaCnia, rom fuli ar aris gadamwyveti faqtori arCevnebisTvis. am dros mTavaria, dafiqsirdes qarTveli xalxis neba, xolo eleqtorats Cveni saTqmeli rom mivawodoT, amis saSualeba gvaqvs. gamoviyenebT yvelafers: socialur qselebs, saitebs, pirad Sexvedrebs kovidwesebis dacviT, telegamosvlebs da a.S.
– rogorc gaJRerda, problemebi gqondaT saolqo saarCevno komisiebis wevrebis SerCevasTan dakavSirebiT. . .
– diax, saarCevno garemo isev da isev rTulia. misi Camoyalibeba ar midis martivad. saolqo komitetSi neitraluri xalxis nacvlad, `qarTuli ocneba~ sakuTari partiis aqtivs niSnavs komisiis wevrebad. amis Sesaxeb foto da audioCanawerebi warmovadgineT specialur brifingze da am mtkicebulebebis safuZvelze prokuraturaSi SevitaneT gancxadeba. ra Tqma unda, ar gvaqvs reagirebis imedi, magram sazogadoebas kidev erTxel vaCveneT, Tu rogor emzadeba `qarTuli ocneba~ gayalbebisTvis da Cven ras vakeTebT am dros. yvelas vpirdebiT, aRar davuSvebT gayalbebas, amis arc erT Sanss ar mivcemT mmarTvel gunds. aqve vacxadeb, rom arCevnebis gayalbebisgan dacvis erTaderTi da utyuari meTodia moqalaqeTa maRali aqtivoba arCevnebis dRes. nu mogvcemen xmas Cven, vinc surT, is airCion, gaxarias partia Tu xazaraZis, mTavaria, modiT da Tqveni xma daafiqsireT, raTa ar hqondeT misi sxva mizniT gamoyenebis saSualeba `qarTuli ocnebis~ xelgawaful mesveurT.
– aqtivoba kargi iqneba, Tumca kvleviT, saqarTvelos mosaxleobis 51%-s arc erTi partiis ar sjera.
– esec ar aris problema, arc mikvirs, am xalxs aravis rom ar sjera. mainc movidnen, gaauqmon biuletenebi, Tu ar undaT, rom es 51% mTlianad `qarTuli ocnebis~ kvlav xelisuflebaSi darCenas moxmardes. aqve isic minda vTqva, rom arc erTi kvleva ar Seesabameba sinamdviles, im 51%-Sic, umetesoba albaT, opoziciis mxaresaa da ver gaamJRavna Tavi. Tanac yvela kvlevaSi `qarTuli ocneba~ ver Rebulobs sakmarisi raodenobis xmebs. darwmunebuli var, maTive gamokiTxviT miRebuli monacemebic ar aris marTali, radgan verc erTi sajaro moxele ver aRiarebda xmamaRla, rom oficiozs ar uWers mxars. gamoqveynebul ricxvebsa da procentebSi specialistebis mier iolad ikiTxeba, rom `ocneba~ mwared marcxdeba, gaerTianebuli opozicia ki, jamSi, gacilebiT met xmas iRebs. cxadia, aq ar vgulisxmob gaxarias axal partias, romelic maTive flangia da ivaniSvilma SemouSva dartymis asacileblad.
– gaxarias partias ukve uwodes `ocnebis Tavis tkivili~.
– es axla acxadeben ase, magram rogorc ki saWiroeba moiTxovs, is uceb gadava `ocnebis~ mxares, romelsac, momentalurad mourCeba `Tavis tkivili~ da yvela mixvdeba, rom gaxaria ivaniSvilis maSveli rgolia mxolod, sxva aravin.
– Tqven ukve ambobT, rom `qarTuli ocneba~ arCevnebs gaayalbebs. Tuki ver aiRebT saTanado raodenobis xmebs, isev boikots gamoacxadebT da quCebSi saprotesto aqciebs daaanonsebT?
– Cven axla imitom vacxadebT, rom mtkicebulebebs movipovebT da warmovadgenT. Tavidanve wavarTmevT gayalbebis yvela Sanss, raTa wels SarSandeli arCevnebis analogi ar miviRoT. amitom vapirebT yvela saTuo faqtze mkacr reagirebas da samarTaldamcavi organoebis saqmis kursSi Cayenebas. vecdebiT, bevri damkvirvebeli davsvaT ubnebSi da kidev ufro meti moviwvioT saerTaSoriso sadamkvirveblo organizaciebidan, rac mkveTrad Seamcirebs gayalbebis SesaZleblobas.
– rigiTi moqalaqeebisgan gansxvavebiT, Tqven sxvagvarad aRiqvamT baTumis problemebs. Tuki qalaqis meri gaxdiT, ras mixedavdiT upirvelesad?
– mimaCnia, rom adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebi yvelaze mniSvnelovania, radgan adgilobrivi TviTmmarTveloba uZlieresi instituciaa, romelic yvelaze axlos dgas moqalaqesTan da ugvarebs misTvis upirvelesad qceul problemebs. amitomac baTumis merobis kandidatad dasaxeleba CemTvis uaRresad pasuxsagebia, radgan kargad vici, ra meqanizmebTan maqvs saqme da rogori xelCarTuli brZola momiwevs korufciaSi CaZirul municipalitetTan.
– ras gulisxmobT?
– rogor ggoniaT, erTmaneTis pirispir korpusebis aSenebis nebarTvas lamazi TvalebisTvis aZleven Tu ar ician qalaqmSeneblobaSi ra, sad da rogori dacilebiT unda iyos? ician, rogor ar ician, magram zemdgomi rom avalebs, ver gadadis mis nebas. baTumi qvis junglebad gadaiqca, aivnidan aivanze xelis CamorTmeva ar gagiWirdeba, mze daubneles baTumelTa did nawils. mimdinareobs urbanuli damaxinjeba. es aris dRes baTumis umTavresi problema da saswrafod aris SesaCerebeli procesi, sanam jer kidev SeiZleba Cveni baTumis dabruneba da misi swori ganviTareba.
– mSeneblobebi unda SevwyvitoT?
– ara, ras amboT, es ar niSnavs investiciebze uaris Tqmas. baTums uzarmazari potenciali aqvs, jer kidev didi teritoriebia asaTvisebeli, marto gonios poligoni rad Rirs. Woroxze xidi ar gaakeTes, Torem gonios bulvaris ganaSenianebas da am farTis aTvisebas win araferi edga. investiciebis ganTavseba ar unda moxdes qalaqis kulturuli memkvidreobis ganadgurebis xarjze, Torem arc maRlivi korpusebis mSeneblobis winaaRmdegi varT da arc sastumroebis. Tumca eseni sastumroebs ar aSeneben, axal quCebs ar ageben, axal teritoriebs ar iTviseben, arada, swored amas mohyveba ekonomikuri efeqti da baTumelebis cxovrebis donis mkveTri gaumjobeseba. bevri ram maqvs saTqmeli, magram mTavaria, imedi da is gancda dagvibrundes, rom Cven SegviZlia ukeT cxovreba da ar unda gveSinodes xvalindeli dRis.