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msoflio Tanamegobroba kanonis uzenaesobis dacvasa da demokratiuli reformebis gatarebaSi mxolod dapirebebs didxans ar Seegueba. gza evrokavSirisa da natosken warmatebuli qveynebis xvedria, swored am mimarTebiT aqvs garkveuli pretenziebi dasavleTs saqarTvelos xelisuflebis mimarT. saqarTvelosTvis kandidatis statusis am dromde arminiWebam opozicia da mmarTveli partia kidev ufro daapirispira, Tumca dapirispirebis sababs CvenSi ra gamolevs: xelisufleba opozicias destruqciulobasa da qveyanaSi destabilizaciis mcdelobaSi adanaSaulebs, opozicia ki mTavrobis prorusul orientaciaze saubrobs. . . amas emateba Tavad opoziciuri speqtris urTierTdapirispireba. dRes swored opoziciis warmomadgeneli partiis `lelo saqarTvelosTvis~ aWaris organizaciis erT-erTi lideri, sakrebulos wevri vaJa darCia gvipasuxebs SekiTxvebze, romlebic Cvens qveyanaSi arsebul araerTgvarovan politikur viTarebas exeba.
– rogor daaxasiaTebT saqarTveloSi mimdinare procesebs?
– dRes saqarTveloSi mimdinare politikuri procesi sakmaod mZime sayurebelia Cveni moqalaqeebisTvis, radgan isev midis polarizaciis procesi, ris mTavar rolSic xelisufleba gvevlineba. `qarTuli ocneba~ dRes orientirebuli unda iyos evrokavSiris kandidatis statusis miRebaze, Tumca vxedavT, rom im 12 punqtidan, romelic Cvenma partniorebma warmogvidgines, rogorc samoqmedo gegma, faqtobrivad, arcerTi Sesrulebula da xelisufleba yvelafers akeTebs, rom es opozicias gadaabralos. aArada, martivi dasanaxia, rom `qarTuli ocneba~ ar dgams problemebis mogvarebisTvis sasargeblo nabijebs. garda amisa, vxedavT, rom qmnis mkveTrad antidasavlur, satelit jgufs, e.w. gandgomili Tu amboxebuli deputatebis saxiT, rac migvaniSnebs imaze, rom ar surT dekemberSi miviRoT kandidatis statusi da maTi mizania, es yvelaferi dabraldes opozicias, romelic Tavisi SesaZleblobis farglebSi yvelafers akeTebs, rom viTareba gaumjobesosos.
– Tqven mniSvnelovan Temebze gaamaxvileT yuradReba, Tumca vidre amis Sesaxeb visaubrebdeT, baTumis sakrebuloze minda gkiTxoT: arsebobs Tu ara iseTi sakiTxebi, sadac opozicia da mmarTveli partia TanamSromlobas axerxeben baTumis sakeTildReod?
– ra Tqma unda, arsebobs. araerTi qalaqisTvis mniSvnelovan sakiTxze yofila erTsulovneba sakrebuloSi. magaliTad: iafi saxlis programis farglebSi 80-mde SeWirvebul ojaxs erTxmad miveciT saSualeba, rom qiris Tanxis nacvlad sakuTrebaSi gadaeceT saxlebi. Tumca TiTqmis yvela sxdomaze aris politikuri dapirispirebac, sakrebulom miiRo araerTi sakiTxi, sadac me da sxva opozicioneri kolegebi vxedavdiT korufciis ma-Ral riskebs, Tumca am yvelaferze saubari xelisuflebisTvis miuRebelia. magaliTisTvis SeiZleba vaxsenoT avariuli saxlebis programa, romlis wesic daamtkica sakrebulom sakanonmdeblo cvlilebebis Semdeg, romelic baTumis meriam waradgina saqarTvelos parlamentSi, ris safuZvelzec mers mieca SeuzRudavi Zalaufleba avariuli saxlebis Canacvlebis procesSi, simaRlis dadgenasTan dakavSirebiT, bunebrivia, rom es aCens korufciis maRal riskebs. garda amisa, xmauriT miviReT bulvaris ganaSenianebis gegmac, romlis SemuSavebaSi municipalitetma 400 aTasi lari gadaixada. masSi mkafiod ewera, rom bulvaris teritoriaze fundamenturi, maRalsarTuliani Senobebi Seusabamoa am sivrcisTvis. eqspertebis es Canaweri `qarTulma ocnebam~ kompania `ambasadoris~ iuristis momarTvis safuZvelze aRniSnuli gegmidan amoiRo. Tumca TviTon dokumenti aSkarad profesionalebis mier aris Sedgenili da sainteresoa, moaxdens Tu ara adgilobrivi TviTmmarTveloba am gegmis implementacias.
– xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebi acxadeben, rom opoziciis SeniSvnebi da rCevebi, ZiriTadad, araadekvaturia da imasac dasZenen, rom mosaxleoba maTi mmarTvelobiT kmayofilia, amaze ras fiqrobT?
– ZiriTadad, msgavsi argumentebia baTumis sakrebuloSic, Cemi yvela SeniSvna gamiznuli iyo am qalaqis interesebisTvis, Tumca arcerTi ar gauTvaliswinebiaT, umravlesobaSic Cveulebrivi adamianebi arian da warmoudgenelia, maT hqondeT codna da kvalifikacia yvela mimarTulebiT. miuxedavad amisa, rCevebs ar iTvaliswineben da amas mxolod politikuri, partiuli sarCuli udevs. aseTive procesi midis saqarTvelos parlamentSi – `yovlismcodne~ umravlesoba iRebs kanonebs, romelic samomavlod SeiZleba gaxdes problemuri da SeniSvnebs ar iRebs araTu opoziciidan, aramed maT mier mxardaWerili prezidentisgan. saubarobs mosmenebis kanonze, roca prezidentis veto aRniSnul sakiTxze yovelgvari cvlilebis gareSe daZlies da miiRes kanonproqti pirveladi versiiT.
– cxadia, politikosebis Semfasebeli mosaxleoba da istoriaa . . . amas winaT, `en-di-ais~ bolo kvlevebiT mosaxleobis 40 procenti arcerT partias ar endoba, es risi maniSnebelia?
– es ar aris axali tendencia, msgavs kvlevebSi bolo wlebSi, samwuxarod, bevri Canda e.w. gadauwyveteli amomrCeveli, maT amisTvis araerTi subieqturi Tu obieqturi mizezi gaaCniaT. faqti erTia, rom am qveyanaSi yvela mimarTulebiT aris Zalian bevri problema da mdgomareoba dRiTi dRe mZimdeba, Sesaba-misad, mosaxleobis nihilizmi am politikuri klasis mimarT sakmaod bunebrivia. maT surT, dainaxon erToblivi muSaoba qveynis interesebisTvis, Tumca dRes vxedavT, rom es, faqtobrivad, warmoudgenelia.
– sxvaTa Soris, konstitucionalisti levan alafiSvili acxadebs, rom Tu opozicia ar gamofxizlda, 2024 wlis arCevnebs mmarTveli partia moigebs. analogiur Sexedulebas aviTarebs eqspertTa nawilic, am mxriv dRes opozicia ra stadiaSia?
– opoziciaSi xarvezebze me yovelTvis vsaubrob, Tumca am yvelaferSi mxolod maTi dadanaSauleba arasworia. Cven ramdenime kviris win vnaxeT, Tu ra masStabiT hyavs xelisuflebas agentebi partiebSi Canergili, Sesabamisad, am pirobebSi bevrad rTulia brZola. isini borotad, Zalauflebis SesanarCuneblad iyeneben yvelanair saxelmwifo resurss, uTvalTvaleben da aSantaJeben opozicionerebs, samsaxuridan aTavisufleben opoziciis mxardamWerebs, am pirobebSi ki brZola Zalian rTulia. Tumca Cemi gundis saxeliT SemiZlia vTqva, rom maqsimalurad vcdilobT. mniSvnelovania is garemoeba Tu rogor mivalT arCevnebamde. aucilebelia xelisuflebas davaklebinoT e.w. 5%-iani barieri, rac erTgvari garantia iqneba depolarizaciisa da axali, koaliciuri mTavrobis Seqmnisa.
– ar wydeba saubari `nacmoZraobis~ elitaSi warmoqmnil urTierTdapirispirebaze, rogoria Tqveni azri amis Sesaxeb?
– Cemi mxridan ar iqneba swori visaubroT sxva partiis SigniT mimdinare procesebze, Tumca mimaCnia, rom msgavsi eleqtoraluri resursis partiaSi aucilebeli da savaldebuloa, arsebobdes gansxvavebuli azri. SeuZlebelia amdeni adamiani erT azrze iyos. rac Seexeba im saxelsa da gvars, romlis irgvlivac am partiaSi atexilia aJiotaJi, me arasdros gamovirCeodi mag adamianis mimarT pativiscemiT, faqti aris erTi, rom `nacmoZraobaSi~ mimdinare procesebi damazianebelia saerTo saqmisTvis. es aris, risi Tqmac SemiZlia am sakiTxis irgvliv.
– arasaparlamento opozicia kvlav mouwodebs saparlamento opozicias parlamentis datovebisken. es moTxovna gaaJRera mweralma Teona dolejaSvilmac, roca ikiTxa: ratom ar tovebs opozicia parlaments da sakrebuloebs? ras fiqrobT?
– am momentisTvis araswori mgonia aseTi nabiji, vgulisxmob, mandatebis datovebas, sanam evrokavSiris wevrobis kandidatobasTan dakavSirebiT saboloo Sedegi ar gveqneba. amis Semdeg unda davsaxoT konkretuli samomavlo samoqmedo gegma. 74 municipalitetSi sakrebuloebis datoveba ara mgonia martivi procesi iyos, amas sakmaod mZime Sedegebi SeiZleba mohyves.
– qarTul politikaSi urTierTbraldebebi araxalia, magaliTad, Salva naTelaSvilma `strategia aRmaSenebli~ garkveulwilad, xelisuflebaTan aliansSi daadanaSaula, es ramdenad azianebs opozicias?
– diax, mec ase vfiqrob – nebismieri msgavsi urTierTbraldeba opoziciaSi mxolod xelisuflebis wisqvilze wylis dasxmaa, rac bunebrivia, azaralebs opozicias, miT umetes maSin, roca braldeba ar emyareba aranair arguments da mxolod varaudia.
– opoziciisa da mmarTveli partiis urTierTbraldebebi umeteswilad, evrokavSiris mier mowodebul 12 punqtis Sesrulebas ukavSirdeba, ra mocemulobaa am mimarTebiT?
– `qarTuli ocnebis~ pirobebSi warmoudgenlad meCveneba kandidatis statusis miReba, miT umetes, yvela im triukis Semdeg, rasac xelisufleba akeTebs, igive gandgomil deputatebTan, an Tundac saxalxo damcvelis arCevis sakiTxTan dakavSirebiT, Tumca opoziciam yvelaferi unda gaakeTos, rom xelisuflebam xeli isev opozicias ar Seawmindos da xalxs naTlad daanaxos, Tu visi gamoisobiT dadgeba is Sedegi, romelic dadgeba.
– mmarTveli partiis yofilma wevrebma (xundaZe, subari, yavlaSvili) ganacxades, rom dasavleTs saqarTvelos omSi CaTreva surs, msgavsi gancxadebebi ramdenad saxifaToa Cveni qveynisTvis?
– ukve Tamamad SeiZleba imis Tqma, rom biZina ivaniSvili apirebs am Zalis satelit politikur partiad gardaqmnas. me es procesi mesaxeba, rogorc alt-infos alternativis Seqmna, faqtia, rom `xalxis Zala~ umokles vadaSi daregistrirdeba, rogorc politikuri partia da Tu raoden sazianoa es gandgomili deputatebis jgufi da maTi gancxadebebi Cveni qveynisTvis, amaze amerikis SeerTebuli Statebis elCi TiTqmis yoveldRiurad saubrobs, warmoudgenelia umravlesobis wevri evrokavSirsa da natos, qveynis suverenitetis damrRvevad moixseniebodes, roca dRemde swored Cveni dasavleli partniorebis aqtiuri CarTulobiT inarCunebs Cveni qveyana damoukideblobasa da suverenitets.
– sagareo sakiTxsac SevexoT: putinma ukrainis oTxi regionis aneqsireba daakanona, Tavis mxriv kievma limani gaaTavisufla, amJamad omis ra fazaa ukrainaSi?
– naxeT albaT, ra Sedegebi gamoiwvia ruseTSi e.w. mobilizaciis procesma. naTlad davinaxeT, rom uamravi rusi ar eTanxmeba am oms, moqalaqeebis didi nawili garbis ruseTidan, radgan maT ar surT Tavi Seaklan putinis axirebas. garda amisa, vxedavT, Tu ra erTsulovania ukraineli xalxi da rogor gmirulad ibrZvian isini mTeli civilizebuli msoflios saxeliT, me mgoni, ukve putinsac aRar sjera imis, rom am omSi ruseTi gaimarjvebs, faqtia, rom ukraina, putinis mcdelobis miuxedavad, win miiwevs da aucileblad gaimarjvebs msoflios yvelaze didi borotebis, putinis winaaRmdeg.
– sxvaTa Soris, ukrainam oficialuri ganacxadi gaakeTa natoSi gawevrianebis Taobaze. eqspertebi acxadeben, rom saqarTvelomac unda gaakeTos msgavsi ganacxadi, Tqveni partiis pozicia rogoria am mimarTebiT?
– mimaCnia, rom Cvenma qveyanam unda gamoiyenos yvela Teoriuli Tu praqtikuli Sansi imisa, rom gaxdes natos wevri. saqarTvelos da ukrainas, buqarestis samitidan moyolebuli, erT konteqstSi ganixilavda saerTaSoriso Tanamegobroba, gvaxsovs is Canaweric, sadac aRniSnulia, rom saqarTvelo da ukraina aucileblad gaxdebian natos wevrebi. vfiqrob, yvelaferi unda vcadoT, risi SesaZleblobac mogvecema.
– dabolos, Cveni qveynis bedi garkveulwilad, ukrainaSi wydeba, ra gavlena eqneba am oms evropis da maT Soris saqarTvelos momavalze?
– me gulwrfelad mimaCnia, rom Cveni qveynis, rogorc Sida, ise sagareo politika damokidebulia am omze. gamarjvebuli ukraina niSnavs gamarjvebul saqarTvelos, niSnavs imas, rom imaze axlos viqnebiT Cvens teritoriul mTlianobasTan, vidre odesme vyofilvarT, viqnebiT yvelaze axlos Cveni qveynis evrointegraciasTan. Sesabamisad, am omis gavlena Cvens qveyanaze warmoudgenlad didia.