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manana wulukiZe – specialobiT dawyebiTi klasebis maswavlebeli, saganmanaTleblo organizacia a(a)ip `mwignobaris~ damfuZnebeli da direqtori, Jurnal `mwignobaris~ redaqtori, 5 wignis avtori, 12 wignis redaqt-ori, saqarTvelos mweralTa SemoqmedebiTi kavSiris wevri, aWaris mamuliSvilTa sagvareulo kavSiris gamgeobis wevri, aWara – lazeTis CoxosanTa sazogadoebis 14 wlamde moswavle-axalgazrdobis xelmZRvaneli, qal-biznesmenTa asociaciis, qalTa laSqaris, literaturul-SemecnebiTi organizacia `xatimamulis~, akademia `gvirilas~ wevri, romelic bilTmorSi dagegmil dedisa da qalTa dRisadmi miZRvnil RonisZiebaze sapatio stumradaa miwveuli. igi wardgenilia `persona 2023 wlis~ titulze.
manana wulukiZe Cveni stumaria.
– 22 wlis pedagogiuri muSaobis Semdeg, 2010 wlis 10 dekembers davafuZne saganmanaTleblo organizacia a(a)ip `mwignobari~. ideam gaamarTla. 2011 wels gaCnda kidev erTi idea – asparezi miveciT SemoqmedebiT muSaobas da literaturuli konkursebis Catarebac daviwyeT. mxatvruli kiTxvis konkursSi gamarjvebul moswavles, ramdenime konkursis Semdeg, Jiuris gadawyvetilebiT, vawevrianebT organizaciaSi, gadavcemT sapatio wevris mowmobas. warmovaCineT Semoqmedi axalgazrdebi da mweralTa saxlis TanadgomiT, vakvalianebT da vexmarebiT krebulis gamocemaSi. gawevrianebuli moswavleebi Jurnalistis ampluasac iTavseben. cnobil adamianebTan vmarTavT Sexvedrebs, gamoveciT SemoqmedebiT – SemecnebiTi Jurnali `mwignobari~, romelic weliwadSi erTxel gamodis. JurnalSi Setanilia moswavleebis Semoqmedeba. baTumSi, qeTevan wamebulis quCis #№40-Si gavxseniT moswavleTa mosamzadebeli centri. vamzadebT pirveli klasidan me-8 klasis CaTvliT moswavleebs ucxo enebSi. aris xatvis – `ferTa samyaro~ da Wadrakis Semswavleli wreebi.
– Tqveni deida – fadime gamrekeliZe, wlebis ganmavlobaSi dawyebiTi klasebis maswavlebeli iyo, miniWebuli hqonda saqarTvelos skolis damsaxurebuli maswavleblis wodeba. pedagogi iyo dedac… es ojaxuri tradiciaa?
– SeiZleba asec iTqvas. pedagogis ojaxSi rom vizrdebodi, yvela karg Tvisebas dedisgan viRebdi. ojaxSi, sadac bavSvebi izrdebian, aucilebelia ufrosebi kargad moiqcnen, radgan patarebi mimbaZvelebi arian, yvela karg da cud Tvisebas advilad iReben. pedagogiur sarbielze roca gavedi, gavige, ra gza gaiares deidam da dedam. leqsic davwere: `me Cems dedikonas vgavar!~.
vnatrob dedis gakveTili,
erTxel kidev momesmina,
man ganmbana naTlis wyaliT,
Semaswavla ana – bana!
sadac SevkrTi, iqve xeli,
im wams dedam damafara,
es zeca da es mamuli
sasoebiT Camabara.
misi SromiT daganZuli
merxTan aTas dedad vdgavar!
vuvli qarTul `dedaenas~
me Cems maswavlebels
vgavar!. .
– mravalwlianma pedagogiurma muSaobam safuZveli mogcaT, iakob gogebaSvilis `dedaenis~ mixedviT gamogecaT meToduri saxelmZRvanelo `ai ia~. . .
– es iyo pirveli meToduri saxelmZRvanelo, romelic gamoveci 2006 wels. maSin iakob gogebaSvilis `dedaeniT~ vaswavlidiT. klasSi yvela moswavles davurige wigni, advilad viTvisebdiT TiToeul gakveTils. rogorc Svilis dabadebas, ise velodebodi Cems wigns, magram amaod. Semdeg wlebSi ukve gogebaSvilis `deda ena~ swavlebidan amoiRes da Cems saxelmZRvaneloSi mocemuli gakveTilebi aRar daemTxva, magram mainc, dResac sargebloben pedagogebi, risTvisac madlobas vuxdi maT.
– mas mohyva meore didaqtikur-aRmzrdelobiTi xasiaTis wigni `codnis kunwula~. . .
– `codnis kunwula~ sakonkurso wignia, romelic dResaswaulebis mixedviT aris Sedgenili, Temebia Casaweri da saukeTeso Temis avtorTaA namuSevrebiT gamoicema wigni `moswavleTa Txzulebani~. moswavleebs CautardebaT konkursebi da umaRlesi Sefasebis mqones gadaecema sertifikati.
– mowoneba xvda sakonkurso wign `codnis yulabas~. mis mniSvnelobazec gviTxariT?
– mudmivad vmuSaobdi bavSvebTan damatebiTi masalebiT, testebiTa da sxva savarjiSoebiT, rac mexmareboda dadebiTi Sedegis miRwevaSi. dagrovilma gamocdilebam mikarnaxa, Semedgina testebis krebuli da gamomeca wignad (I-VI klasi). ufro saintereso rom gavxadoT moswavleTa testuri kiTxvebi, amisTvis `mwignobari~ atarebs `eruditis~ SesarCev turebs. moswavleebs SeuZliaT maqsimaluri qulebi daagrovon `codnis yulabaSi~ Setanili testebiT. aqve aRvniSnav, rom wignSi swori pasuxebi wertilebiTaa moniSnuli da exmareba bavSvs swori pasuxis damaxsovrebaSi. wigni `codnis yulaba~ male damkvidrda mwignobarTa sazogadoebaSi, didi gamoxmaureba hqonda presaSic. aseTma dainteresebam motivacia amimaRla da mSoblebisa da moswavleebis TxovniT gamoveci meore nawili me-7-10 klasebis moswavleebisTvis.
– organizacias `mwignobari~ ratom uwodeT?
– organizaciis dafuZneba rom gadavwyvite, saxelwodeba mindoda Canafiqrs morgeboda. erT-erT gakveTilze daviT mefeze vsaubrobdiT. vyvebodi, rom daviT mefe erTi da igive gverds ramdenimejer gadaikiTxavda, Tu moewoneboda, mwignobreli iyoo, ambobda. Zalian momewona es sityva da… organizaciasac `mwignobari~ davarqvi.
– ra daedo safuZvlad Teatraluri dasis `Teatronis~ Camoyalibebas?
-`mwignobarTan~ Teatraluri dasi `Teatronis~ Camoyalibebis survili gamiCnda. moviwvie msaxiobi marina burduli. 12 moswavliT daviwyeT, magram imdenad dakavebuli iyo qalbatoni marina, rom ver SeZlo muSaobis gagrZeleba. sami Tvis Semdeg moviwvie reJisori nana SainiZe. monawileoba miviRe baTumis meriis mier gamocxadebul proeqtSi da gavimarjve. ori speqtakli dadga qalbatonma nanam. pirveli dRidan muxlCauxrelad Sromobs.
– poeziasac SeeWideT da samzeozea leqsebis krebuli `frTxilad xels giSvebT~. . .
– meSvide klasidan daviwye leqsebis wera. minda erTi leqsidan, romelic kursdamTavrebulebs mivuZRveni, amonaridi gagacnoT. mas `maswavleblis darigeba~ davarqvi.
Cveul siCqariT ifrineT,
uceb ar gindaT maRla,
nu daaCqarebT cxovrebas,
rom ar dagetyoT daRla.
gana cota maqvs saTqmeli?
ara, arc ise cota.
sjobs axla giTxraT
saTqmeli,
sanam cxovreba oxravs.
– datvirTuli grafikis miuxedavad, mSobliur sofel tbeTTan urTierTobas ar wyvetT, `tbeTobis~ monawileTa rigebSic iyaviT. . .
– saxalxo dResaswauli rom imarTeboda, Cemma Zmam, aw gansvenebulma ioseb wulukiZem, erT-erTma damfuZnebelma, macnoba, rom ramdenime TanasoflelTan erTad, unda davswrebodi `tbeTobas~. survili Sevusrule da deklamator bavSvebTan erTad, poetebi da mwerlebic aviyvane. Semdeg wlebSic veswrebodi, magram SarSan, mariamobis dResaswaulze, Cemi moswavleebi miwveuli iyvnen `jvarimindvrobis~ festivalze da veRar SevZeli `tbeTobaze~ daswreba.
– dedis gvarSi warmoCenili RvTismsaxuri, bolnisis eparqiis mTavarepiskoposi meufe efremi (gamrekeliZe) gyavT. Tqveni azri aWaraSi ZirZveli mrwamsis dabrunebaze?
– baTumis #№14 sajaro skolaSi muSaobisas (maSin skolebSi religiis istoria iswavleboda), didi interesi gamiCnda, Semeswavla religiasTan dakavSirebuli sakiTxebi. Cemi sadamrigeblo klasis maswavlebel nino TamazaSvils religiis istoriis gakveTilze veswrebodi. bevri vifiqre, saidan movdiodi, vin viyavi. miviRe gadawyvetileba da Svilebi gogita da gita kaxeTSi, wminda giorgis eklesiaSi movnaTle, meuRle gorSi moinaTla, me – baTumSi, RvTismSoblis taZarSi. me qarTulad unda vloculobde, radgan Cveni religia qristianulia.
– iyo mravali aqtivobis organizatori da iniciatori, didi pativia, magram aris ojaxi. . .
– Tu adamians giyvars saqme, adamianebi, advilad miaRwev sasurvel mizans. meSvide klasidan dawyebuli siyvarulis erTguli var, siyvaruliT vumzer cxovrebas. yvela adamianSi mxolod sikeTes vxedav, cudic rom gamikeTon, mainc sikeTiT vuxdi samagieros. siyvarulma bevri dabrkoleba damaZlevina. pativiscema da urTierTgagebac aucilebelia. meuRlec migebs da xels miwyobs saqmianobaSi. amisTvis mas didi madloba.
– aWaraSi momuSave mwerlebis Tanadgomac gaqvT.
– aWaraSi da Tundac saqarTvelos masStabiT momuSave mwerlebs madloba minda vuTxra, radgan am xnis ganmavlobaSi `mwignobars~ gverdSi udganan. isini rom ara, Cven verafers gavxdebodiT.
– ramdenime wignis redaqtori xarT. avtorebis naSroms Tqvens stils uxamebT Tu. . .
– yvela avtors Tavisi stili da xelwera aqvs, me mxolod gzis gakvalvaSi vexmarebi.
– qarTulad weraa mTavari Tu saubari?
– orive aucilebelia. me wera ufro miyvars.
– Tqvens wignebSi qarTul enaSi SemoWrili barbarizmebi ar Cans…
– barbarizmebi, ra Tqma unda, ar iqneba, radgan me pedagogis TvaliT vuyureb am saqmes da Tavs valdebulad vTvli, Taobebs vaswavlo mxolod qarTulad, vametyvelo mxolod qarTulad, viloco mxolod qarTulad. bavSvi qvevria, rasac CavZaxebT, imas amogvZaxebs. ise unda aRvzardoT, rom sworad CaZaxili amogvZaxon.
– `momavlis Jurnalistebis~ gadacemac CamoayalibeT. vin iyvnen Tqveni RonisZiebebis monawileni?
– pandemia rom daiwyo da Caiketa yvelaferi, individualurad daviwyeT gadacemis – `momavlis Jurnalistebis~ momzadeba. `mwignobaris~ wevri moswavle warsdga Jurnalistis ampluaSi. moviwvieT poetebi, mwerlebi da sazogado moRvaweebi, maTTan Cawerili saubrebi ganvaTavseT `momavlis Jurnalistebis~ socialur gverdze. sul 64 adamiani gvyavs Cawerili, arqivs vinaxavT.
– `mwignobaris~ mier dafrTianebul axalgazrdebze ras gvetyviT?
– zogi studentia, zogi cxovrebis asparezze axla gavida, zogi ukve CarTulia sazogadoebriv saqmianobaSi. isini dauRalavad, siyvaruliT, erovnuli suliskveTebiT gaagrZeleben cxovrebas, axal sityvas ityvian sazogadoebriv cxovrebaSi, iqnebian Rirseuli ojaxis dedebi da mamebi, mTel samyaros moafrqveven sikeTesa da siyvaruls. minda visargeblo SemTxveviT da madloba gadavuxado TiToeul TanamSromels: gita, laura lemsaZeebs, rusudan anTaZes, sofo Rlonts, darina kekeliZes, naTia aslaniZes, Tornike kalandaZes, cisana fevaZes, mari beriZes, qristine abaSiZes, nana lamparaZes, indira WaRaliZes, Tamuna bolqvaZesa da Tiko dumbaZes.
– TurqeTSi miwisZvris Sedegad dazaralebulebsac daexmara `mwignobari~. . .
– didi gulistkiviliT Sexvda organizaciis yvela TanamSromeli, moswavle Tu mSobeli am tragedias, SevagroveT mcireodeni saWiro nivTebi da gavgzavneT maT dasaxmareblad.