,,საქართველოს სტაბილური და სწრაფი განვითარება შეუძლებელია ევროპის გარეშე “
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aSkaraa, rom saarCevno maraToni araoficialurad gaixsna. partiebi aqtiuroben, iqmneba sxvadasxva platforma, imarTeba Sexvedrebi mosaxleobasTan. es arcaa gasakviri, partiebis daniSnuleba swored mosaxleobis azris mitanaa xelisuflebamde da parlamentSi moxvedrisTanave amomrCevlis interesebis dacvaa. ramdenad keTilsindisierad asruleben TavianT movaleobas politikosebi, amas isini gansxvavebulad afaseben, Tumca is ki cxadia, rom politikuri speqtri iRvwvis sakanonmdeblo organoSi mosaxvedrad. udavoa, rom 2024 wlis arCevnebi istoriuli mniSvnelobis iqneba mravali faqtoridan gamomdinare. jer erTi, arCevnebi sruliad proporciuli sistemiT tardeba, meore, SesaZloa arCevnebi mmarTvelma partiam meoTxejer moigos, anda opoziciam koaliciuri mTavroba Camoayalibos, rac uprecedento movlena iqneba saqarTvelos saparlamento istoriaSi. mokled, mmarTvel partiasa da opoziciur flangze mimdinare procesebi mraval kiTxvas badebs… swored amis Taobaze gazeT `aWaras~ partia `droas~ aWaris organizaciis xelmZRvaneli, poeti genri doliZe esaubreba.
– Tqvenma partia ,,droam~da ,,girCi – meti Tavisuflebam ” axlaxan mosaxleobasTan Sexvedraze Tavisi gegmebi gaaJRera. es erTgvari prezentacia iyo? ras ityodiT amasTan dakavSirebiT?
– `droa~ da `girCi – meti Tavisufleba~ agrZelebs regionul turs. zugdidis Semdeg Cveni xedvebi baTumis sazogadoebas gavacaniT. saqarTveloSi, rogorc wesi, roca arCevnebi kars moakakunebs, politikur partiebs mxolod maSin axsendebaT amomrCeveli, regionis mosaxleoba da roca gamarjvebis yvela imedi gadawuruli aqvT, mxolod maSin erTiandebian sxva platformebTan. aseTi erTobac da saarCevno kampaniac xelovnuria. amomrCevels ver moatyueb. sagrZnoblad aris gazrdili misi skepticizmic da politikuri cnobierebac. `girCi~ da `droa~ Tavidanve viwyebT mwyobri nabijebiT svlas arCevnebisken. Cveni erToba ar aris xelovnuri da ekleqturi. igi ar emyareba mxolod gamarjvebis an barieris gadalaxvis survils. gvaqvs ideuri Tanxvedra da qveynis ganviTarebis bevr aspeqtze – saerTo xedva. swored am xedvebze keTdeba regionul Sexvedrebze mTavari aqcentebi. winaswar veubnebiT eleqtorats, rogor vxedavT qveynis swori ganviTarebis gzebs, rogori unda iyos sasamarTlo, policia, Tavdacva, jandacva, socialuri politika, gamarjvebis an koaliciur mTavrobaSi Sesvlis SemTxvevaSi, ra reformebs gavatarebT, ra ideebs davuWerT mxars.
– qveyanaSi politikuri partiebi gaaqtiurdnen, sxvadasxva platformis Seqmna, Tundac ,, nacmoZraobis~ da ,, strategia aRmaSeneblis `saxiT, aseve ,,lelo saqarTvelosTvis~ aqtiuroba ramdenad gansazRvravs qveynis politikur viTarebas?
– am arCevnebSi umniSvnelovanesia, opoziciam wamoiRos proporciuli xmebis 51%-ze meti, anu `qarTuli ocneba~ Tavisi satelitebianad darCes opoziciaSi. am miznisken gadadgmuli nebismieri nabiji misasalmebelia. mniSvnelovania, rom yvela partiam gaacnobieros Tavisi realuri politikuri wona da saWiroebis SemTxvevaSi moaxerxos ideologiurad axlo mdgom politikur platformebTan gaerTianeba, raTa ar darCes bariers miRma da gaunawilebeli mandatis saxiT aRebuli xmebi ar gadaulocos `qarTul ocnebas~.
– mmarTveli gundi acxadebs, rom opozicia daqsaqsulia da arCevnebSi aranairi Sansi ar aqvs, Tqven ras fiqrobT?
– gulwrfelad vityvi, teleekranebidan maincdamainc pozitiurad ar gamoiyureba opozicia, Tumca Cven ukve gvaqvs koordinirebuli da SeTanxmebuli muSaobis gamocdileba. ZalTa sinergiiT TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebze bevr qalaqSi movaxerxeT `qarTuli ocnebis~ beWebze dadeba, Tumca gamarjveba mxolod walenjixaSi gaviformeT, radgan uzenaesma arbitrma, ceskom, romelic mikerZoebuli da marTulia `ocnebis~ mier, yvela Zala ixmara, rom `qarTuli ocnebis~ marcxi mogebad gaeformebina. TiToeuli saerTaSoriso kvleva adasturebs, rom saqarTvelos mosaxleobis naxevarze meti xelisuflebas ar uWers mxars. saWiroa gonivruli muSaoba, am ganwyobebis opoziciur xmebSi transformacia da Semdeg am gamarjvebis gaformeba. amisTvis, damijereT, Zalian bevrs akeTeben `droa~ da `girCi~. erT-erTi mniSvnelovani prevenciuli berketia platforma “mona.ji”, sadac sando wyaroebis mier moZiebuli informaciis safuZvelze xdeba yvela im piris identificireba da sajaro mxileba, romelic monawileobs arCevnebis gayalbebasa da amomrCevelTa nebaze zemoqmedebaSi. es informaciebi grovdeba da egzavneba saerTaSoriso organizaciebs, saelCoebs, raTa maT Seafason ara mxolod saarCevno dRe, aramed winasaarCevno garemoc. yvelam kargad viciT, rom arCevnebi mxolod ubanze ar yalbdeba. am mavneblur procesSi CarTulia quCac, sajaro samsaxurebic, Cawyobili tenderebiT gamdidrebuli biznesic, religiuri organizaciebic da a.S.
– Tqven uaryofiTad SeafaseT xelisuflebis saqmianoba, Tumca mmarTveli partia acxadebs, rom qveyana viTardeba da opozicia mxolod destruqciuli qmedebebiTaa dakavebuli. . .
– mxolod gazrdili biujeti ar SeiZleba CaiTvalos qveynis ganviTarebad. izrdeba rusuli gavlenebi, rusul bazarze damokidebuleba, kriminali, migracia, korufcia yvela rgolSi. ra ufro didi destruqciaa, evropas rom lanZRav da ruseTs sanqciebis gverdis avlaSi xels uwyob, arafers akeTeb demografiuli krizisis SesaCereblad, xalxis kuTvnil heqtrobiT miwebs rom miisakuTreb da ojaxis wevrebs gadauformeb, Tu aqciaze rom gamoxval da mwvave, Tundac ucenzuro sityvebiT Seafaseb arsebul katastroful viTarebas?
– ver uarvyofT, rom opoziciuri speqtri jerjerobiT ver qmnis qveyanaSi politikur aminds, mizezad saxeldeba is, rom opozicias ar gaaCnia qveynis ganviTarebis mwyobri gegma, rogoria Tqveni Tvalsazrisi amasTan dakavSirebiT?
– opozicia ar aris erTi politikuri partia, rom erTiani xedva da erTiani suliskveTeba hqondes. nu dagvaviwydeba, rom es aris bevri individis, bevri xedvis, bevri gundis, bevri ideologiis erToba. am momentSi mTavari amocanaa, xelisuflebidan gavistumroT erTi partia da is ar Canacvldes romelime konkretuli jgufiT, Torem erTi borotebis adgilze, meore aRmocendeba. yvela normalurma, civilizebulma qveyanam demokratiul da ekonomikur ganviTarebas mravalpartiuli mmarTvelobiT miaRwia. Aase rom, opoziciis azrTa sxvadasxvaoba ar aris am qveynis amocana. swored kamaTSi da ideologiur WidilSi ibadeba WeSmaritebac da demokratiac. erTi azri mxolod diqtatorul da avtoritarul reJimebSia, sadac mxolod erTma adamianma `icis~ rogor unda ganviTardes qveynis jandacvac, ekonomikac, sagareo urTierTobac, ganaTlebac da a.S. opozicias am etapze aqvs mxolod erTi amocana, rusuli reJimi Caanacvlos mravalpartiuli evropuli mmarTvelobiT. danarCenze saWiroa saerTo erovnuli konsensusi. ar SeiZleba iseT mniSvnelovan sferoebSi, rogorebicaa Tavdacva, ganaTleba, jandacva, erTi ministris, an erTi partiis xuSturiT, anda gemovnebiT tardebodes reforma.
– sociologiuri gamokiTxvebis Tanaxmad, mxolod sami partia (,, qarTuli ocneba~ ,, nacmoZraoba~ da `saqarTvelosTvis~) laxavs saarCevno bariers, ramdenad sarwmunoa es azri?
– jerjerobiT ar dawyebula saarCevno kampaniebi da sabolood ar gamokveTila aqtorebi, ar formirebula platformebi, amitom winaswar, erTi wliT adre msjeloba imaze, Tu vin gadalaxavs bariers, naadrevi mgonia. am periodSi nebismieri partiis reitingi SeiZleba mniSvnelovnad gaizardos, an sagrZnoblad daeces. ase rom, davelodoT, vin rogor imuSavebs da ras SesTavazebs amomrCevels.
– prezidentsa da mmarTvel gunds Soris dapirispireba ikveTeba. xelisufleba prezidentis da ,,nacmoZraobis~ aliansze saubrobs, Cndeba kiTxvebi, ras ityviT amasTan dakavSirebiT?
– politikaSi yvelaferia dasaSvebi da mosalodneli, Tumca xelaRebiT imis Tqma, rom salome zurabiSvili romelime partiasTan aris farul aliansSi, rTulia. Teoriulad, SegviZlia yvelaferi davuSvaT, maT Soris isic, rom igi biZina ivaniSvilis `gegma be~-s warmoadgens. unda aRiniSnos, rom mocemul etapze swor poziciaze dgas, swor procesebze aiRo iniciativa, Tumca maxsovs misi iseTi gancxadebebic, romlebic mtris wisqvilze asxamda wyals.
– rakiRa ,,nacmoZraoba~ vaxseneT, minda gkiTxoT, xom araa mosalodneli, es partia orad gaiyos?
– me sxva partiis warmomadgeneli var da raime saxis prognozi Cemi mxridan ar iqneba swori. Eenm-is orive flangze myavs bevri Zveli megobari, romelTa patiosnebasa da samSoblos siyvarulSi eWvi ar mepareba da maT personalurad warmatebebs vusurveb qveynis samsaxurSi. rogor gaagrZeleben politikur asparezs, maTi Sida partiuli saqmea.
– rogor fiqrobT, vin iqneba mTavari Zala, vin da vin daupirispirdebian erTmaneTs, anu arCevnebi orpolusiani Tu mravalpolusiani iqneba?
– gvinda Tu ara, bunebrivad Camoyalibda ori polusi, dasavluri da rusuli, Tumca orpolusianoba sulac ar niSnavs imas, rom or partias Soris iqneba arCevani. saqarTvelo gadadis umniSvnelovanes safexurze, sadac parlaments avirCevT mxolod proporciuli gziT, rac gamoricxavs mxolod erTi partiis, erTi adamianis, erTi ideologiis absolutur xelisuflebas. Sesabamisad, nebismieri mTavroba angariSvaldebuli iqneba ara mxolod Zlieris, aramed SedarebiT patara partiebis mimarTac. es imas niSnavs, rom qveyanaSi damyardeba WeSmariti da ara formaluri demokratia – umravlesobis mmarTveloba, umciresobis azris gaTvaliswinebiT. dRevandeli amomrCeveli arCevans akeTebs totalizatoris principiT – xmas aZlevs ara imas, vinc moswons, aramed imas, visac xelisuflebaSi mosvlis Sansi aqvs, mmarTvelobaSi monawileobis SesaZlebloba ki, axali sistemiT, miecema parlamentSi moxvedril yvelaze cotamandatian partiasac. Aase rom, gaizrdeba mcire partiebis politikuri fasic da mniSvnelobac.
– moqmed politikur Zalebs Soris xedavT iseTs, romelsac Seswevs unari, mesame Zalad mogvevlinos?
– am momentSi, Znelia imis prognozi, vin iqneba, an iqneba Tu ara saerTod, mesame Zala. gamoricxulia, 9 TveSi axali, angariSgasawevi partia daibados da mesame polusi Seqmnas. rac Seexeba patara partiebis konsolidaciiT Seqmnil erTobas, Cveni da Cveni qveynis interesebidan gamomdinare, saWiroa evropulma opoziciam daamarcxos rusuli ocneba da amas ori partia gaakeTebs (enm da erT Zalad Sekruli danarCeni opozicia) Tu oTxi-xuTi cal-calke, arsebiTi mniSvneloba ar aqvs. nebismieri xelovnuri da teqnikuri erToba mesame Zalis Sesaqmnelad, arCevnebis Semdeg mainc daiSleba, amitom visurvebdi, rac SeiZleba meti prodasavluri partia Sevides parlamentSi, akuTari saxeliT, saxiT, veqtoriT, programiT da gacxadebuli ideologiiT.
– adgilobrivma arCevnebma cxadyo, rom mosaxleoba indiferentulia, ras akeTebs opozicia, rom pasiuri amomrCevlis xma ar daikargos?
– ver getyviT, ras akeTeben sxvebi, magram `droa~ da `girCi~ aqtiurad muSaobdnen am sakiTxze. ori yvelaze didi jgufi aris emigrantebi da axalgazrebi. orive mimarTulebiT gvaqvs iniciativebi. vatarebT axalgazrdul banakebs, Sexvedrebs studentebTan, aseve, arasamTavrobo seqtorTan erTad Cvenc aqtiurad vmuSaobT, rom rac SeiZleba meti axali saarCevno ubani gaixsnas evropisa da amerikis qalaqebSi, sadac 50-ze meti amomrCeveli cxovrobs, raTa maT asobiT kilometris gavla ar dasWirdeT xmis misacemad.
– Tqveni azriT, rogori iqneba ZalTa gadanawileba momaval parlamentSi?
– Tu gvinda, qveyana ganviTarebis normalur kalapots daubrundes, aucilebelia parlamentSi moxvdes rac SeiZleba meti prodasavluri partia da maTi mandatebis saerTo jami unda aRematebodes `qarTuli ocnebis~ da misi satelitebis jams. amis yvelanairi resursi arsebobs. mTavaria, opoziciam sworad miitanos Tavisi saTqmeli amomrCevlamde da SeZlos xmebis dacva.
– saqarTvelosTvis 2024 wlis arCevnebis istoriuli mniSvneloba?
– 2024 wlis arCevnebi iqneba gardamtexi saqarTvelos istoriaSi – an SeZlebs am arCevnebze qarTuli sazogadoeba, erTxel da samudamod, daasrulos is mankieri sistema, romelic erTi kacis, erTi jgufis absolutur da ganusazRvrel Zalauflebas gulisxmobs da gadavalT dabalansebul, proporciul, koaliciur mmarTvelobaze, an isev gavagrZelebT svlas am mojadoebul wreze.
– dabolos, ra molodini gaqvT kandidatis statusTan mimarTebiT da am statusis miniWeba ra SesaZleblobebs gvTavazobs?
– saqarTvelos stabiluri da swrafi ganviTareba SeuZlebelia evropis gareSe. axlgazrdebis, momavali Taobis arCevani evropaa. yoveldRiurad asobiT adamiani miemgzavreba emigraciaSi da ase, nel-nela carieldeba Cveni qveyana qarTvelebisgan da ivseba rusebiT. ori arCevani gvaqvs, an aq gvqondes evropa da Cvenma Svilebma saukeTeso ganaTleba da maRalanazRaurebadi samsaxurebi adgilze miiRon, an viyoT daclili, mitovebuli qveyana, sadac mxolod pensionerebi da sajaro samsaxurSi dasaqmebuli partaqtivistebi icxovreben. kandidatis statusi SesaZleblobebs mogvcems, Cveni evropuli momavali iyos ara isev Soreuli perspeqtiva, aramed – xvalindeli dRe.