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Tvlis, rom 2024 wels mis cxovrebaSi gardatexa mohyveba, rom nebismier asakSi unda davrCeT bavSvebad. . .
Cveni stumaria umaRlesi sabWos Tavmjdomaris moadgile tite aroSiZe. `aWaris~ mkiTxveli dRes mas sxva kuTxiTac gaicnobs.
rogor xvdeba ojaxi Soba-axal wels, ra tradiciebi aqvT, romeli axali weli axsovs bavSvobidan da ra Caifiqra 31 dekembers – amaze Tavad gvesaubreba.
– batono tite, axali weli giyvarT?
– zogadad, axali weli saocnebo dResaswaulia bavSvebisTvis. Cems bavSvobaSic, miuxedavad imisa, rom gavlili gvaqvs Zneli, urTulesi periodebi, axali weli yovelTvis imedTan, saswaulebTan asocirdeboda. axlac vfiqrob, raRac iseTi moxdeba, rac gardatexas Seitans cxovrebaSi, Tundac, Cems gamowvevebTan mimarTebaSi, an raRac problemebis gadalaxvaSi. realuradac asea, adamiani xom uflismieri arsebaa, kosmiuri energiiT savse – rasac fiqrobs da guliT swams, is aucileblad ausruldeba. Yvelaferi brundeba ukan. ase rom, unda gvjerodes axali wlis saswaulebis, 80 wlis asakSic unda davrCeT bavSvebad da bavSvurad gvixarodes axali wlis mosvla.
– rogor xvdeba Tqveni ojaxi Soba-axal wels, rame tradicia Tu gaqvT da ra aris Tqveni azriT aucilebeli aseT dReebSi?
– CvenTvis mTavaria, ojaxis wevrebi SevikriboT da erTad aRvniSnoT axali wlis mosvla. me ufro Sobis mimarT maqvs gansakuTrebuli gancdebi. sufris tradicia, ra Tqma unda, yvela ojaxSia da miuxedavad imisa, rom zedmeti araferi miyvars, axal wels yvelafer zedmets vakeTeb, xvavi, baraqa rom dagvebedos da baraqiani weli gamovides. tradiciad gvaqvs qarTuli RviniT dalocva da aucileblad 12 saaTze, `mravalJamieris~ da aseve, saqarTvelos himnis mosmena. Tuki eTerSi ar gadis, maSin Tavad vrTav. himns fexze amdgari vusmen, radgan CvenTvis yvelaze Zvirfasi Cveni qveyanaa. qveynisTvis bednieri axali weli ki TiToeuli Cvenganis ojaxebSi bednier axal wels niSnavs.
– bavSvobidan gansakuTrebulad romeli axali weli dagamaxsovrdaT?
– komunistur axal wlebsac moveswari da, ra Tqma unda, Zalian kargi, lamazi iyo is wlebi. maxsovs 90-iani wlebSi, skolis moswavle rom viyavi, mTeli Tve ar iyo Suqi da axal wels movida. es iyo bedniereba. maSin televiziis mxolod sami arxi arsebobda da meoTxe rom daemata, ubednieresi viyavi (icinis). is gancda dRemde maxsovs. TandaTan, ra Tqma unda, moTxovnebic icvleba da garkveulwilad, viTarebac, Tumca yovelTvis vcdilobdiT, yvela axali weli gansakuTrebuli da gamorCeuli yofiliyo. Tamamad SemiZlia vTqva, bavSvobidan moyolebuli, TiTqmis yvela axali weli maxsovs. Tu vinme mkiTxavs, 31 dekemberi rogori iyoo, SeiZleba 46-ve detalurad vera, magram 40 axali wlis gancdebs mainc movyvebi.
– Tovlis babuis arsebobis gjerodaT?
– albaT, mjeroda. sxvaTa Soris, axla ufro sxva TvaliT vuyureb am sakiTxs. iumoriT rom vTqvaT, mSoblebi wvaloben, yiduloben saCuqrebs da yvelaferi Tovlis babuas `braldeba~. esec erTgvari simbolizmia da vTvli, rom es rwmena bavSvebSi aucileblad unda arsebobdes. Sobis dResaswaulze, evropaSi, santa klausi, romelic kaTolikuri TvalsazrisiT wminda nikolozia, RaribebisTvis saCuqrebs arigebs da abednierebs maT. Cven qarTuli Tovlis babua gvyavs, romelic aseve asocirdeba saCuqrebis da sixarulis motanasTan. albaT, qvecnobierSi, axlac mjera, rom Tovlis babua arsebobs da is survilebs aucileblad agvisrulebs. mTavaria, gvjerodes imis, ra survilsac CavifiqrebT.
– ojaxis wevrebi erTmaneTs saaxalwlo saCuqrebs Tu CuqniT?
– ra Tqma unda, es gardauvali tradiciaa. sxvaTa Soris, ara mxolod ojaxis wevrebs, megobrebsac da yvela im adamians, vinc Cven irgvliv trialebs, minda raRac simbolurad mainc vusaxsovro. es tradicia albaT, yovelTvis iyo da iqneba, radgan swored is aris sixarulis momtani, rom adamianebi erTmaneTs bednierebas saCuqris saxiT uziareben. mis Rirebulebas mniSvneloba ar aqvs, mTavaria, guliT gisaxsovron.
– axali wlisTvis produqtebis yidvis procesSi ramdenad xarT CarTuli?
– verasdros avcdi am saqmes (icinis). maxsovs, mozardi rom viyavi, dedaCems davyavdi sakolmeurneo bazarSi saaxalwlo produqtebis sayidlad. maSin ar gvqonda imis fufuneba, rom avtomobili gvyoloda, sazogadoebrivi transportiT davdiodiT. es procesi ar miyvarda. axlac ase var, Tumca samzadisSi bolomde var CarTuli da meuRles supermarketebSi davyvebi. alkoholi da xorcproduqtebi me mexeba da vfiqrob, sanam cocxali viqnebi, ase gagrZeldeba.
– axali wlis dReebSi umaRlesi sabWos wevrebi Tu gstumroben?
– ra Tqma unda. gamomdinare iqidan, rom politikur situaciaSi erTad varT da nebismier gadawyvetilebas erTad viRebT, axal welsac erTmaneTs aucileblad vstumrobT, an erT dRes virCevT da im dRes vxvdebiT. cxadia, yoveldRiuri urTierTobidan gamomdinare, sadResaswaulo dReebsac erTad aRvniSnavT. es bunebrivi da sasiamovno procesia. mogexsenebaT, oficialur garemoSi Sexvedra sxvaa, araoficialur garemoSi ki sul sxva elferi aqvs yvelafers. xandaxan mniSvnelovani gadawyvetilebebic miiReboda saqarTveloSi araoficialur garemoSi. ase rom. . .
– odesme mekvle Tu yofilxarT da rogori weli iyo maTTvis?
– albaT, ki, Tumca ase gamokveTilad ar maxsendeba. bavSvobaSi, maxsovs, ori Zma varT da dedaCemi me, rogorc umcros Svils, gareT miSvebda, rom mekvle vyofiliyavi. esec Cveni erTgvari tradiciaa. Tu daakvirdebi, aRmoaCen, rom viRac SenTvis fexbednieria, mudmivad sikeTe moaqvs.
– Tqvens ojaxSi vin aris xolme mekvle?
– albaT, Svilebi, patarebi, romlebic mudmivad gadian da Semodian. savaraudod, mekvleebic isini iqnebodnen.
– saaxalwlo dResaswaulebze rogoria nasvami tite aroSiZe?
– ara mxolod saaxalwlo dResaswaulebze, zogadadac, nasvami mxiarulebis, sikeTis, moferebis, siyvarulis xasiaTze var. alkoholi adamians ar unda aborotebdes, piriqiT, is aris saSualeba, rom stresisgan ganimuxto da ufro meti Tavisufleba misce sakuTar Tavs. es Tavisufleba ki sikeTis keTebaSi unda gamoxato. rasac sifxizleSi ver eubnebi adamians (ra Tqma unda, dadebiTzea saubari), simTvraleSi, an nasvamma unda uTxra. vfiqrob, nasvami ar var cudi adamiani (icinis).
– bevrma ar icis, rom stresis mosaxsnelad, Tavisufal dros xatavT. . .
– diax, aravin icis, Cemi uaxloesi adamianebisa da ojaxis wevrebis garda. xandaxan, Tavisufal dros CemTvis Canaxatebs vakeTeb. seriozul naxatebze, ra Tqma unda, ar maqvs pretenzia da arc arasodes mqonia, amiT visveneb. samxatvro skola davamTavre da raRac gamomyva iqidan. xazvac miyvarda yovelTvis. cekvazec davdiodi, magram saqorwilo cekvac ki ar vici. (icinis). sxvaTa Soris, Cems bavSvebs vexmarebi xolme, skolaSi davaleba Tu aqvT xatvaSi. erTxel, sakmaod rTuli davaleba Sevusrule da rviani miiRo. Svilma miTxra, – maswavlebelma SemogiTvala, ukeTesad moemzadoso.
– saaxalwlo kuriozi Tu gaxsovT?
– rusuli filmi `bedis ironia~ vinc icis, daaxloebiT igive situacia Semeqmna. studenti viyavi, megobrebTan erTad ise gaverTe, aRaraferi maxsovda. binis misamarTi ar amrevia, magram saxlSi mesame dRes gaviRviZe. im dros kuriozad ar aRviqvi es ambavi, magram Semdeg xalisiT vixsenebdi.
– ris welSi xarT dabadebuli da emTxveva Tu ara zogadi daxasiaTeba Tqvens xasiaTs da Tvisebebs?
– gvelis welSi var dabadebuli, Tumca, simarTle giTxraT, yuradRebas ar vaqcev aseT rameebs. Tvis zodiaqos mixedviT kuro var da aq ufro emTxveva raRac. zogadad, kosmiuri, astrologiuri mimarTulebiT raRac gavlenebi arsebobs, Tumca, ar mgonia, gvelis welSi daibade Tu drakonis, amas rame mniSvneloba hqondes.
– 31 dekembers, saaTma 12-jer rom dareka, ra CaifiqreT?
– pirvel rigSi, mSvidoba Cavifiqre. bolo periodSi omic vnaxeT da kovidpandemiis katastrofuli Sedegebic, Cvenc geopolitikurad iseT teritoriaze vimyofebiT, rom erTma arasworma nabijma SesaZloa Zalian fatalur Sedegamde migviyvanos. uflis wyalobiT, SevZeliT, am situaciaSi lavireba sworad mogvexdina, omic Tavidan agvecilebina da, garkveulwilad, is konfliqtebic, romlebic SesaZloa geopolitikurad Segvxeboda. msoflioSi arsebuli situaciidan gamomdinare, vfiqrob, yvelaze mniSvnelovani mainc mSvidoba da janmrTelobaa.
– ras usurvebT Cvens mkiTxvels?
– vusurveb, rom 2024 weli iyos gamorCeuli yvela CvenganisaTvis, saqarTveloSi mcxovrebi yvela adamianisTvis, mTeli msofliosaTvis. es weli yofiliyos gardamtexi ukeTesobisken, simdidrisken, axali gamogonebebisken, inovaciebisken. mogexsenebaT, filtvebis anTebac ki ar ikurneboda, sanam penicilini ar gamoigones. darwmunebuli var, 2024 medicinaSi axali aRmoCenebis weli iqneba da is adamianebi, romlebic elodebian gadamrCenel wamals, marTlac, ipovian maT afTiaqebis daxlebze. visurveb, rom samyaros aRar efiqros omze. efiqros aRmSeneblobaze, urTierTgagebaze, urTierTsiyvarulze. . . Cveni ZiriTadi mizani, rac konstituciaSic gvaqvs ratificirebuli, es aris evrokavSirSi gawevrianeba da Cven es didi nabiji ukve gadavdgiT. SeiZleba 2024 welSi evrokavSiris wevri ver gavxdeT, magram mTel evropas eRiarebinos, rom saqarTvelo evrokavSiris wevrobis Rirsia. momavalSi ki gavmxdariyaviT am organizaciis wevrebi im tradiciebis, simboloebis da Rirebulebebis dacviT, romlebic saqarTvelosTvis mniSvnelovania.