ნინო ცხვარაძე: ურთულეს პერიოდში “ხალხის ძალამ” გაბედა და არაერთი მწარე სიმართლე თქვა
2024 wlis oqtombris arCevnebamde arcTu ise didi dro rCeba da Sesabamisad, qveyanaSi politikuri cieb-cxelebac dawyebulia. iqmneba axali politikuri gaerTianebebi da mwvave kritikis qarcecxlSi atareben oponentebi erTmaneTs. bunebrivia, winasaarCevno mesijebsac gzavnian. imaze, rom 2024 weli politikurad datvirTuli da aqtiuri iqneba, aravin davobs, Tumca, ras gadawyvets qarTveli amomrCeveli, aravin icis. erTi ram cxadia, am politikur oromtrialSi opoziciuri speqtri cdilobs `mesame Zalad~ Tavis warmoCenas, mmarTvel gundSi ki gamarjvebis gardauvalobaze saubroben. mimdinare politikuri procesebis Sefaseba baTumis sakrebulos wevrs, `xalxis Zalis~ warmomadgenel nino cxvaraZes vTxoveT.
– qalbatono nino, rogor SeafasebT qveyanaSi mimdinare politikur procesebs?
– jer gasuli, 2023 wlis SefasebiT daviwyoT, radgan arajansaRi Zalebis mcdelobis miuxedavad, saqarTvelos evrokavSiris wevrobis kandidatis statusi mieniWa. samwuxarod, qarTuli opoziciuri speqtri mTeli wlis ganmavlobaSi cdilobda, Cveni qveynis megobari Tu partniori qveynebi daerwmunebina, rom `qarTuli ocnebis~ xelisuflebis pirobebSi kandidatis statusi ar moeniWebinaT. rbilad rom vTqvaT, aseTi midgoma, arajansaRi politikuri ambiciebi mavneblobaa da sxva araferi, Tumca xelisuflebis gonivruli, swori politikis Sedegad miviReT is, rac miviReT da saqarTvelo swori mimarTulebiT ganagrZobs svlas. xazgasmiT minda aRvniSno, rom am yvelaferSi udidesi wvlili `xalxis Zalasac~ miuZRvis, radgan swored es Zala ar SeSinda da mosaxleobas mxolod swori informacia miawoda. diax, saqarTvelos TiTs uqnevdnen, undodaT, Tavis Wkuaze da TavianTi dawerili scenariT emarTaT, magram `kovzi nacarSi CauvardaT~. `xalxis Zalam~ urTules periodSi gabeda da araerTi mware simarTle Tqva. visTvis misaRebi iyo es simarTle, visTvis – ara. yvelaze rTuli imis Tqma iyo, rom gare Zalebi, saqarTvelos Sinaur mtrebTan erTad, Cveni qveyanis omSi CarTvas cdilobdnen. Tavis droze sazogadoebam SesaZloa, es bolomde ar daijera, Tumca Semdeg yvela darwmunda simarTleSi. swored „xalxis Zalam“, xelisuflebasTan erTad, aiZula yvela, miveReT iseTi, rogoric varT da ara iseTi, rogoric maT surdaT vyofiliyaviT. ise, roca xelisuflebis misamarTiT vakeTeb gancxadebebs, Cemi oponentebi meubnebian, rom ver gamirkvevia, sad var. nu inerviuleben, radgan zustad vici, sadac var. arasdros miTqvams, rom umravlesobidan wavedi, an opozicias warmovadgen. moswonT Tu ara, es maTi problemaa, magram faqtia, `xalxis Zala~ aris xelisuflebaSi da yovelTvis idgeba Cveni qveynis sadarajoze. CvenTan arian adamianebi sufTa warsuliT, romlebsac araferi akavSirebT sisxlian reJimTan.
– 2024 saarCevno welia. faqtobrivad, winasaarCevno maraTonic dawyebulia. ras elodebiT oqtombris arCevnebisgan?
– Semodgoma iqneba cxeli. amasTan, nuravin gaakeTebs naCqarev Sefasebebs, radgan wiwilebsac xom Semodgomaze iTvlian. . . bunebrivia, opozicia Cveul ampluaSi mogvevlineba. yvelam viciT, rom gasul wels ganviTarebulma politikurma procesebma yvela maTganis reitingi, faqtobrivad, nuls gautola. axla gadarCenisTvis axal gzebs – axali erTobebiT eZeben, Tumca SesakrebTa gadanacvlebiT rom jami ar icvleba, es martivi ariTmetikaa. nika gvaramiam visTan erTadac unda Seqmnas politikuri partia Tu gaerTianeba, saqarTvelos mosaxleobis umravlesobisTvis is mainc `erTian nacionalur moZraobasTan~ asocirdeba, partiasTan, romelsac arsebobis dReebi daTvlili aqvs da pulsi aRar esinjeba. qarTveli amomrCeveli gaizarda, warsuls Cabarda is dro, roca TvalSi nacars ayridnen xalxs. dRes aravis eSinia sakuTari poziciis dafiqsirebis, xmamaRali gancxadebebis gakeTebis. sxvas Tu ara, Jurnalistebs xom Zalian kargad gvaxsovs, rogor pirobebSi gviwevda muSaoba. dRes, sityvis Tavisuflebaze rom laparakoben, es swored `qarTuli ocnebis~ damsaxurebaa. ra molodini unda mqondes, an vis unda dauWiros mxari qarTvelma amomrCevelma – mevaxSe xazaraZes Tu moRalate gaxarias, sisxliani reJimis Semoqmed `nacionalur moZraobas~ Tu moqmed prezidents, romelic aucileblad gadabargdeba opoziciaSi? `fici mwams, bolo makvirvebs~, maTzea naTqvami. dRes, roca xazaraZe pensionerebs atyuebs, diax atyuebs, rom pensiebs 1000 laramde gazrdis, iqneb arapensionerebs uTxras, saprocento ganakveTs ramdeniT Seamcirebs, an Tundac nika gvaramia ras etyvis qarTvel amomrCevels, xelisuflebaSi rom movalT, iseTebi aRar viqnebiT, rogorebic adre viyaviTo? sabednierod, zRaprebis visac sjera, imaT xmis micemis ufleba ar aqvT, asaki ar uwyobT xels.
– prezidenti zurabiSvili axseneT da rogor fiqrobT, Seiwyalebs Tu ara patimar saakaSvils?
– salome zurabiSvilisgan yvelaferia mosalodneli. ar gamikvirdeba, Tavisi sityvebi `ara da arasdros~ ukan waiRos da damnaSave saakaSvili Seiwyalos. ise, saakaSvilis TemiT manipulireba rom ar gauvidaT, esec xelisuflebis damsaxurebaa. gaxsovT, rogor isterikaSi iyvnen – prezidents klaven, araadamianurad epyrobian, prezidenti mowamles, aucilebelia, ucxoeTSi imkurnaloso. . . ramdeni gavixseno. evropulma sasamarTlom Tqva, rom saakaSvils aravin awamebs da misTvis yvela servisi xelmisawvdomia, is ar saWiroebs ucxoeTSi mkurnalobas, Tumca periodulad mainc moagondebaT saukeTeso pirobebSi myofi saakaSvili da amoiknavleben – `Tavisufleba miSas~. ra usamarTloa zogjer cxovreba, saakaSvili sasjels misi xelisuflebaSi yofnis droindel cixeSi unda ixdides. . . salome zurabiSvili albaT jer ara, Tumca seqtantebis gulis mosagebad, winasaarCevnod Seiwyalebs saakaSvils, riTac sabolood daasrulebs Tavis politikur karieras.
– biZina ivaniSvilis politikaSi mesamed dabrunebasa da irakli RaribaSvilis Tanamdebobidan meored gaSvebaze ras ityviT?
– biZina ivaniSvilis politikaSi dabrunebis Taobaze sruliad veTanxmebi `xalxis Zalis~ lider sozar subars, ufro metic, imdenad sworad Camoayaliba, survilic ki ar maqvs, rame movaklo an davamato mis sityvebs: „Rrmad var darwmunebuli erT rameSi: biZina ivaniSvili rom dabrunda Tvenaxevris win qarTul politikaSi, is sityvebi, rac man Tqva, ar aris ubralod gancxadeba, aramed aris politikuri gegmis nawili, romelic aRsruldeba. saqarTvelo iqneba suverenuli saxelmwifo, saqarTvelos teritoriuli mTlianoba aRdgeba da saqarTvelo gaxdeba evrokavSiris wevri, rogorc suverenuli, sruluflebiani saxelmwifo da ara – cal fexze mdgomi, rogorc es zogierTebs undaT da warmoudgeniaT~. mjera, biZina ivaniSvilis saxeli saqarTvelos istoriaSi Caiwereba rogorc qveynis teritoriuli mTlianobis aRmdgenis, sxva sasikeTo saqmeebze rom araferi vTqvaT. rac Seexeba irakli RaribaSvils, is iyo da iqneba qarTvelobis, qarTuli siwmindis, qarTuli ojaxis, eklesiis damcveli. irakli RaribaSvilis mTavrobam bewvis xidze gaiara da saqarTveloSi ar dauSva omi. is arsad wasula, rCeba `qarTul ocnebaSi~ da kidev bevri kargi saqme aqvs gasakeTebeli, axali premieri ki imdenad profesionalia yvela mimarTulebiT, oponentebmac ver SeZles misi misamarTiT augis Tqma. irakli kobaxiZe premierobasac Rirseulad gaarTmevs Tavs.
– gasul wels `xalxis Zalis~ mier inicirebul kanonproeqts `ucxouri gavlenis gamWirvalobis Sesaxeb~ qveyanaSi saprotesto aqciebi mohyva, gansakuTrebuli guliswyroma axalgazrdebSi gamoiwvia. . .
– `ara rusul kanons~ – es fraza sasacilo iyo imTaviTve, roca amerikuli kanonis analogs rusuli uwodes, magram swored axalgazrdebze iyo gaTvlili opoziciis qmedebebi. Cven gvyavs Zalian gonieri, niWieri, ganaTlebuli axalgazrda Taoba, romelsac, albaT, siRrmiseulad ar avuxseniT kanonproeqtis arsi, amiT ki qveynis Sinaurma da gareulma mterma isargebla da swored maTi mobilizeba, quCaSi gamoyvana moaxerxa. mcdar informacias awvdidnen Cvens axalgazrdebs, TiTqos maTTvis evropuli ganaTleba xelmisawvdomi ar iqneboda, am kanonis miRebiT davkargavdiT evropul perspeqtivas. simarTle ki is iyo, rom ucxoeTidan marTulebs xels ar aZlevdaT, maTi saqmianoba gamWvirvale yofiliyo. dRes `rusuli kanonis~ miRebas evropaSi apireben, amiT yvelaferi naTqvamia! rogorc saubris dasawyisSi vTqvi, 2024 saarCevno welia da xazgasmiT minda aRvniSno, rom mmarTveli gundi am arCevnebSi ukonkurentoa. rac Seexeba `xalxis Zalas~ – ras vapirebT? amaze cota mogvianebiT, Tumca, Cveni wili aguri ukve davdeT qveynis ukeTesi momavlis mSeneblobaSi. vfiqrob, momavalSi ufro metis SesaZlebloba gveqneba.